Homestead Hobbyists

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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis.  A Tiny Homestead podcast is sponsored by Homegrown Collective, a free to use farm to table platform, emphasizing local connections with ability to sell online, buy, sell, trade in local garden groups and help us grow a new food system.  You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. Today I'm talking with Lindsay and Kaleb at Homestead.

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Homestead hobbyists. There we go.  Good afternoon, you guys. are you? Doing well. Good afternoon. Thanks for having us on.  Yeah, you're kind of saving my bacon. It's been, it's been rough getting  guests  to commit because it's a really rough time of year for people who are,  I don't know, birthing animal babies or trying to get their gardens in or their crops in. So  I appreciate you making the time. Yeah. It's like it's busy season all of a sudden.

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Yeah, I went through this back in November, trying to schedule interviews around Christmas time because everybody was busy with Christmas plans.  And we're not big holiday celebrators here. We just aren't. We're not Jehovah's Witnesses or anything, but we just don't make a big deal of it. And I always forget that other people do.  And  I was like, huh,  I might be entirely screwed on my podcast or two weeks straight at Christmas time. This is great.

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Well, if you ever need us to jump on as backup  conversationalists, you let us know.  will. I will put you on in my stable of,  of they'll talk to me, I think, hopefully. All right. You guys are in Ohio. We're in Ohio.  We  are  more on like the middle Western side of Ohio. We're in a really, um,

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not super small town, but we are surrounded by a lot of really small towns. There's probably only 20,000 people here and we're about 45 minutes north of Dayton. If folks know where that is.  I know where that is because I drive through Ohio about once every five years from Minnesota to Maine to see my parents. So  I know I have an idea of where Dayton is.  my great aunt  and uncle lived in

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Oh my God, I can't think of the town, but right near Indianapolis, Indiana and my grandparents on my mom's side live in Oakwood, Illinois, which is not far from Chicago. I think it's an hour south of Chicago. So I'm familiar with the route that I drive and all those towns are on little signs that say, if you want to go to Chicago, go that way. then it takes you two hours to get there.

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Yep, exactly. I love road trips. I really, really do. I haven't done one in four years now and  I'm getting older. I'm not so good at the sitting in the car for three, four hours straight at a time. My  back starts to hurt from sitting in the seat of the car. So road trips aren't as much fun as they used to be. But boy, when I was a kid, my parents were like, we're going to Illinois. I was like, yay, snack foods and pop all the way.

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Our kids are just getting to the point where they like that.  They like the idea of a road trip. My  youngest, asked me probably just this week actually, I can't remember if it was this week or last week. She goes,  mommy, when are we gonna do that thing where we get up really early and we get to wear our jammies and leave in the car?  I was like, yeah, we're gonna do that soon.  Yeah, it's exciting. It's getting you out of your comfort zone and going to a brand new place.

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or a place you've been to before, but it's always fun to go there.  So,  all right. So tell me about yourselves and Homestead hobbyists, cause I want to know all about you.  Okay. Well, Caleb, do you want to kick off? No.  So  we are originally from the Ohio area. We  kind of had a,  we're,

04:15
We've had an interesting journey to get to Homestead Hobbyists. Both of us  grew up in this area and then went away to college and then  lived in different states  and then sort of found our way back to Ohio,  especially as we were getting more solidified in our careers and starting a family  and we wanted to be back close to home.  So  we live  in the same town that

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my parents and my in-laws live in, which comes in handy.  And  one of the things that I think  we both recognized  is that we  grew up with some different homesteading  activities in different ways on both sides of our family.  And  especially as we got kind of more into a routine of day-to-day life, it was like, well, I kind of want to bring some of this stuff back.

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So, like, I grew up in my mom, she made a lot of our clothes when we were little.  And,  you know, we did a lot of just stuff ourselves. And then,  Caleb's side of the family was like gardening and canning and even more of that.  And so, especially once our kids got here, it was like, well, we want to do some of these things with them too. And also, we're not...

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We're not going out and doing things, but we also still have full-time jobs. So Homestead Hobbyist was kind of birthed because it was like, we still want to be able to do some of this stuff and we want to show others that they can do it, even if it's not  solely everything that they're doing. Because you can kind of go down a rabbit hole and all of a sudden you've got, you know,  20 different things you're doing every day and trying to do that on top of raising kids and having a job and,  but also wanting to do

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You know, some of those things that just bring you joy.  Yeah. Does, does Caleb have anything to add before I jump in? Not really. That's  probably a better summary than I would have put it.  Oh, you have a beautiful voice, Caleb.  You should tell them a little bit about your background growing up though. Cause I think that would be interesting.  Um,  we grew, I grew up out in a, uh, farming.

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community area. There's a small school that  mostly farmers, kids and stuff go to. I did not go there, but  so I was kind of surrounded pretty regularly by  fields,  animals,  a lot of that stuff. And my really only tie to that was, you know, taking 4-H animals, but  definitely my grandma  grew up just on the other side of the block,  raised my parents,  my mom and her siblings.

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in that area. And so she was very much, you know, born out of the depression and stuff. So she would  can regularly. I remember making  rhubarb  jam at her house and cookies and stuff. And she has a very old farmhouse. And  my grandpa was a hog farmer before he was in the  World War II. So  there was some,  you know, some aspects of that from them. But then my mom carried a lot of that stuff over. So we would

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hand stuff pretty regularly. And a lot of our day-to-day chores, especially during the summer, was  taking care of the garden  and  picking things.  And we had a disgustingly huge mulberry bush,  our bush tree that grew over our playset that my dad absolutely hated because the birds were pooping purple stuff everywhere,  staining things. But,  you my mom would usually say, hey, if you pick a couple of bulls of that, I will make a pie. So we always kind of look forward to that.

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So yeah, a lot of that sort of stuff kind of growing up and  it's something that I always,  there's skills that  I think are underrated and obviously very useful in a lot of times and it really encourages a lot of self-reliance, which  I really value. Yes, and that's, I'm glad you said that because it's where I wanted to jump in.  It is so funny to me that back during the depression, people were doing everything they could to find  food.

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They may have had shelter, but they didn't have food because there was no money. people were, people were walking across the United States to find jobs, to send money back to their families. And, and then, um, there was a thing, there was a poster or a flyer at the post office back during World War I or World War II, can't remember which, about our government was encouraging us to have a kitchen garden.

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and a few chickens because that would help the war cause. And now cities are like, oh no, no, we don't want you to have chickens.  Chickens are noisy and dirty and bring in vermin. And I'm just like, you've got to be kidding me.  H  O A's do not enjoy chickens.  Yeah.  Um, I used to have  a, I don't even know. Homeowner's association is what HOA stands for.

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And I  used to have another thing that went under HOA and I can't remember what it was, but I think it had something that  had the word hell for age, but I can't remember what the other two words. And we've never lived under an HOA. My mother-in-law did. And they wouldn't even allow her to have a potted tomato plant  on her patio. Holy cow. Nope. But she could have a dog.

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She could have a small dog. I'm like, tomato plants don't make a mess  and they don't bark. They don't make any noise. What is the deal here?  So I, I love that you guys are doing what you're doing because a lot of places don't allow for this. If you choose to live in that environment,  I do not,  I would, I would not do well with an HOA. I would get, um,

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I get kicked out of my house probably, so.

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Yeah, that's  it was funny because when we were looking for our first home,  one of the requirements Caleb had was he was like,  I don't care where it is as long as it's outside the city limits. Like we don't have to have a lot,  but it has to be outside the city limits. Yeah, that's why we moved  almost five years ago now because we had lived in town.

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for 20 years in a small town of like 6,000 people and we were a block and a half off of Main Street that went through town. And I was so sick of people tearing up our road because it was basically flat and then went up a hill by our house. And they would take the shortcut to get from the Main  Street up to the other big street that went north and they would cut through our neighborhood to do that instead of going to the light.

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There were a ton of little kids that lived in that neighborhood and I lived in fear of a kid getting hit by a car. And it was just noisy and dusty and busy and loud and just obnoxious every day. So when we had the opportunity to get out of there, we were like, okay, let's, let's move outside of city limits. And we actually moved outside of city limits of a city half an hour from the city we had been living in. So.

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Yeah, I get it.  And the biggest thing about city limits is that you have to abide by the rules of your city if you live within city limits.  Once it becomes county, it's a little less, it's a little more forgiving. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with townships and counties, it's, it's a lot different.  Absolutely. I mean, I've told the story once already on one podcast, but I will share it again. Cause why not?

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We wanted to put in a  farm stand and it's not permanent. I mean, we could move it if we wanted to, but it's heavy. It's one of those nice sheds that you get from like the tough shed company.  And as Barn Red, it's adorable. We love it. We have made like almost $300 since June  1st,  I think,  on eggs and candles and soap and lip balms and  some radishes, you know, stuff that we make where we grow.

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And that's awesome. But we had to get a permit to be able to put it where we wanted to put it.  And it's called a setback permit. And it's through the county. How interesting.  And I didn't know if we needed any permits because I've never lived outside of city limits like this. And I called our county and I said, we're going to be doing this thing. It's not a permanent building, but it's this size.

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And the lady put me through to whoever handles that. And he was like, what's the size of  the shed again? And I told him,  and he said, you're probably not going to be happy.  And I said, what? And he said, number one, I need a photo of the area on your property that you're going to put it so that we know that the,  if there was ever a fire at your house, we know that the fire trucks can get in your driveway because you know, that's important.  I was like, that's fine. I can send you a photo.

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He said, and it has to be this far back from the road. It has to be this many feet from the edge of the driveway. And I said, it's not really a driveway. It's a driveway and then a turnaround. He's like, where are you again? And I told him. And he said, oh, you're out in the farm country. I was like, yeah, that's why we want a farm stand. He says, OK. He said, just send me the picture. He said, it's going to cost you $50. I was like, I am happy to pay you $50 if I can have a farm stand. He's like, OK, good.

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So then  last year we started building our hard-sided greenhouse, which is like 10 or 15 by 20 or 30 feet. And I knew that that was going to need the permit thing.  I  emailed him and I said,  Oh, might need another permit. Here's what we're doing.  He's like, it'll be another 50 bucks. I was like, sweet. said, can you, can you send me that same picture with just an X? Where are you going to put the, the, uh, greenhouse?

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And I said, basically the greenhouse is going slightly to the left and behind the farm stand. And he said,  send me the picture anyway. I said, okay.  So for a hundred dollars in permits, we have a really nice farm stand and a really nice greenhouse. So I'm okay with this. Could not have done this in the city we lived in because we didn't have the room.  Yep. A greenhouse is something we've been talking about because we'd love to get to that point where we've got, um,

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an actual place for us to start things, you know, more in the winter time. Right now we don't really have that. So we've been thinking about a couple different ways to approach that. In the meantime, our living room  this year ended up with a lot of seedlings stuck in the person. Yeah, I understand. Half of my kitchen  was  our dining table and then a folding card table  in front of our dining table.

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covered with seedling trays this spring for like eight weeks because we started them in February. And we were worried that it wasn't going to be warm enough in the greenhouse to put them out at the end of that eight weeks, but it was, it was fine. And  I highly recommend if you have the room  to do a greenhouse,  do it. It pays off in spades. Yeah, that's,  that is definitely the next thing.

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It's funny because  that's kind of one of the other things that we've been trying to share a little bit more on Homestead hobbyists is that I think sometimes when you,  I love the homesteading community because I feel like it's kind of, it's kind of like this conversation. It's very open and friendly and you're all talking and sharing about,  what did you do here? And did that work? And does this one work or this didn't work for me? So now I'm trying this.

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And one of the things with Homestead Hobbyists is I feel like you see a lot of these very like beautifully curated images  and  it's not really what it's like when you're homesteading.  Like there's dirt everywhere and there's chicken poop and there's kids covered in mud and animals that are just, you know, all over the place.  And so that's kind of like the other thing that we

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decided we wanted to do was just be very authentic and say, hey, we tried this. For example, I had a bunch of seedling starters and like, I would say half of them died this year because it's the first year that we've done seedlings.  And  Caleb had some other ones that we had saved seeds from last year and those did really well.  it's  so funny because I think

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When you're working with plants and animals,  I think failure is like par for the course. And I think it's so much more  accepted than in other areas  of like your day to day job or things like that. Yeah. I feel like appearances have to go out the window with this because  you can't guarantee that you're not going to have mud on your floor when people come to visit.  Yeah.

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It's mud on the floor, your rack stands with your plants everywhere. Yeah, I feel like, okay, this is going to sound really weird.  Our home is really lovely. Like it was remodeled completely before we ever saw it, like before we bought it. And I was just smitten when I saw this place for the first time. It's gorgeous downstairs. They remodeled the entire downstairs.  And I was like,

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It's never going to look like this again. I need to drink this in. It was empty. It was shiny. It was beautiful.  Floors were clean. Toilet had basically never been used. I don't think the bathtub had ever been used. I think it was that brand new. And I was like, holy crap, it will never look like this again.  And  my in-laws came down this past Sunday for Father's Day and

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I literally had to clean my kitchen and my husband had to clean the bathroom  because we've been so busy and we don't care about appearances when we're in the middle of spring growing season. was like, huh, I forgot that company is a really good incentive to do some cleaning.  Go back and do that stuff. Yeah. So it's

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It's a lot, but I also feel like this is very much what real life  is.  mean, the first six months we were here, it felt like living in someone else's house in a bed and breakfast or a, um, what is it? VRBO, Vacation Rental by Owner thing. Because  it was so  new  and I hadn't gotten all my stuff moved from the old house yet.

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You know, cause we, well, I shouldn't say that  first month we were here, took us a month to sell the old house, but  it was  literally like  living in a vacation spot because nothing had been messed up yet.  And I kept thinking I'm going to scratch paint somewhere and that's going to make it feel like it's ours now.  Yeah. I think there's a, I think there's an element of just coziness sometimes too. Not that Nethi's cozy, but.

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there's an element of like something feeling lived in that is just a little bit different than like the spotless nature of everything.  And I also feel like if, okay,  it's been a long time since I was single without children, since like I was 20. But  you know how  some people choose to not have children?

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not have animals. They live in a very, I don't know what the word is, sparse one-bedroom apartment and they go to their job 60 hours a week and their apartment is where they go to get a shower and sleep. It's not really where they live. It's not where they spend their time. I can't imagine what that's like. I want where I live to be lived in.

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And I feel like the homesteading life has given me that.

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Yeah, we joke a lot of times when we're out at the farm at his parents' house that like you don't go there with your nice clothes on. You don't go there  expecting everything to be spotless, but you'll definitely feel like you've got a lot of love and you'll have a good time when you're out there. And learn some stuff too, probably. Yeah. Yeah.  Okay. So tell me what you guys have at your place. Do you have chickens?

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So  we have an interesting setup.  we have our house and we've got the garden beds  and the  dogs and cat at our house. And then  we have a lot of plants  and another garden and the chickens out  at my in-laws house because...

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our in-laws, my in-laws would like us to buy the family homestead.  so, we,  Caleb had  the foresight when we started having those conversations like five years ago, that it's like, all right, if this is going to be ours, we got some things that we can do now that we are lucky enough to have that set up.  So he started planting our mini orchard five years ago. Very nice. Good.

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and then also started planting our grapevines out there.  And then because they've got the barns and everything,  we have the chickens out there. So  it really is like a family activity because we all do this.  So here at the house, have  our garden spans across the entire backyard and we started

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when we moved here with just like four raised beds  and now it's ginormous.  Um,  and it's kind of changed over the years. think what did we start planting when we first started?  one of the boxes was  peppers. One of them was tomatoes. One of them was herbs  and can't remember if I think we stuck strawberries in the fourth one just so the girls could pick them. Yeah.

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We, it's been interesting because we, kind of change what we do every year. It's been a, a learning experience over the last few years of like, okay, we know we will eat a ton of peppers  and do  a  ton of tomatoes. And then we have kind of like experimental things we do every year. So that's also kind of why we call ourselves homestead hobbyists, because we tend to think more like less around, you know,

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The  major things that people know about like so for tomatoes,  this year we've narrowed it down and we've gone more Roma because we're going to do, we're going to can and do more pasta sauces and things.  But in the past, we've had like a variety of different things. And then we've done everything from like Thai chilies. What else did we do?

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We like spicy food, so we go with a lot of spicy. Different varieties of banana peppers, some of them spicy, some of them pink. Yep.

25:04
Always jalapenos.  Green beans.  We did radishes and beets this year. Carrots didn't work so good for us last year. Yeah.  We always do a lot of green beans because we,  that's like one of the staple veggies in the winter time. So we do enough that we can  can enough to get through the winter, but somehow  we, don't manage to keep too many year over year because we go through them so much.

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It's just so easy to like grab a can of green beans in the wintertime when you're cooking something and add that to whatever you're cooking as a side. Oh yeah.  Um, the last time we visited my parents for any length of time, my mom had canned green beans and she sent me home with like, I think it was 14 quart jars of green beans and, I, we didn't can.

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Then I don't love canning. mean, I've come to love it in the last few years, but I really didn't want to can for a long time.  And so she sent us home with that many jars and my husband doesn't really love eating green vegetables. He will grow them until he can't anymore, but he does, but he's not into eating them.  am. And my, uh, my second son down, I have four kids, daughter, son, son,  second son  loves green beans.

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And he was like, can I have a jar of green beans just to eat by myself? And he was probably 18, 20 at the time. And I was like, yeah, why? And he said, your mom's green beans are the best green beans ever.  He said, the ones from the store suck.  I was like, oh, okay. So yeah, he sat there and he literally ate them out of the jar. Oh my goodness. That's so funny. So apparently my mom's green beans are really good.

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But yeah, mean,  I think what you're doing is amazing and hobbyist makes it sound like it's just for giggles. And I don't think you're doing this just for giggles at all. You know, it's funny because I've talked about, we've talked about this a couple of times with people.  We came up with it because  it's not our full-time job.

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Right. And it's not for fun. But we do like try a lot of non mainstream things like,  like we, we kind of look at it as like growing the stuff that people don't necessarily always grow. So we have some of those staples, but then like,  this year I decided I was going to try my hand at flowers. So I'm trying that out. And then so it's interesting because it's like, we're not just sticking with like,

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one thing.  We've talked about like  once we move out to his parents' house, like maybe we should get sheep and see how that goes or you  But before you said sheep, I was going to say I don't know what you guys are talking about because I very much do this for fun.  Enjoy growing things and trying different things and finding out if they're going to work and

28:18
doing a little bit research into what could make this work better or what are ways to make this more productive. And  honestly, just spending time out in the garden by myself sometimes is  nice too.  My husband would agree with you completely, Caleb. He  loves being in the garden. It is his de-stressing time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and so we probably should have prefaced this at the beginning.  So

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Caleb ended up growing up to become a veterinarian. So that's the other reason that like our children are always like, well, we can have this animal because daddy will fix it. And he works with large and small animals. So we have all kinds of opportunities from that perspective too. But I think that's why you spend more time with plants because they're not animals.

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That's a great skill to have though, Caleb, because you can fix it all. And your dad, they're always going to think you can fix everything. My dad's 81 and I still think he can fix all my woes.  and I wasn't, like, I wasn't poking fun at the hobbyist thing, but I wanted to lead into, and you guys kind of helped me that,

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that part of homesteading life is  the trial and error and the experimentation and the, my God, it worked reaction.  It's like being a kid  at one of those museums. Like there's a science museum in Minnesota and  they let the kids actually see how electricity works with the little ball that you touch and the little sparks are on the inside of it.  And they have like,

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and levers that the kids can move and see how that works. Very hands on. And I feel like this homesteading life is the grownup version of that. Oh,  let's get a cow and see how that works.  Yeah,  it really, it's such a different way of thinking than I think. At least I always felt like, especially from like, I work in the corporate space and you know, the idea of like,

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failing is not considered, it's not always seen as something that  is essential and will help you grow and also can be fun. it's, to your point, think home setting is really unique in that perspective. Yeah. And you choose the things that you are willing to take the chance on failure at.

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Whereas if you're in a corporate setting, the boss is like, I need you to do this task and I need you to do it to the best of your ability with the expectation that it will not fail. That is not your choice that you took on that task.  Yeah, it's just, it, it's a very different, it's a different way of looking at life. And it's, I think not only is it fun, but I think for us too, it's really nice that we can do it with our girls. Cause I mean,

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We've always been very, we kind of came to this agreement pretty early on. It was like, we're not going to do screens. We're not going to do, we're not going to bring around tablets everywhere. And so our girls spend a lot of time outside helping do all these things and they love it. Yeah. I'm, mid fifties. So I remember a world where there weren't personal computers in every room in the house. There weren't tablets.

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Cell phones were a far distant idea  and telephones actually had a cord that went from the base of the phone to the receiver that you put to your ear. I remember those days and I remember having to get up to change the channel on the TV and all of that seems really really far away right now from where I am.

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I think it was actually better.  mean, as I sit here and talk to you guys in Ohio from Minnesota over a computer connection, I mean, that's wonderful.  It makes my life easier because I have made myself a job doing this podcast.  But I remember going outside in the summertime at  7 a.m. if I was up at 7 a.m. and spending the whole day outside. Yeah, I remember being told that.

32:53
call it a side and don't come back until it's dark. And we were back in the woods behind my parents' place and there's a creek that runs through a couple different places there. And the girls were with us and I got to point to a couple places where there were still stones left over from some of the dams that I remember as a kid making. Yeah, kids will always find a way to entertain themselves and I think that we have forgotten that part. I think too, homesteading is great because not only

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Can they entertain themselves? But they learn about, you know, hard work and purpose. I think sometimes that gets missed too. Like our oldest, she loves to do chores.  Even like my parents and my in-laws, they all joke, they're like, we got so much done today. She was just out there like telling us, okay, what's the next thing? What's the next thing? What are we doing?  And she's six.  So. Yep. She's got all the energy in the world until she crashes.

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Yeah. She feels so accomplished from that. Like she can, especially like she's real into the chickens right now. And she, she's like, look, this chicken will do this and I can take the chicken here. And I found the eggs. got all of them up there this morning. And you know,  so cute.  I am so excited for that little girl. She's going to grow up  with the best self-esteem ever. That's the plan.

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I hope so. I hope so for you guys sake. really do. Because  if you can raise them right, they will be the strongest, most productive, most helpful people as adults you've ever seen. Yeah.  I was watching a video the other day about  screen time of the average teenager and it was like eight to 10 hours a day. Holy cow.

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I do eight to 10 hours a day because I use the computer and my phone to do my job. But I was like, do these kids ever play? they ever get to go outside and get vitamin D from the sun? And my son was watching the same thing and he's 23. And I said, said, Cam, I'm so glad that you guys were adults before all of this became the norm. I said, because

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You would have wanted to be like your friends and have the computer and the tablet and the phone and da da da da. I said,  I would have been  so  hard pressed to  not give you the things you wanted because I love you and I'm your mom. said, but I would have felt really terrible about giving you the things you wanted in this case.  He said, we had a ball.  said, we used to go out and like do.

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sword fighting with tree branches. And we used to play football in the street because back then people weren't tearing through our neighborhood. He said, mom, said, you lucked out. said, you didn't have to deal with all this craziness. was like, Oh, I lucked out huge. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's something we, we try and, know,  we early on decided we were going to try and mitigate that a little bit. So, yeah, good. Good.  mean,

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I do not want to tell parents that have given their kids all the technology that they're bad parents because that's probably not the case.  are parents doing the best that they can with the values that they have inside themselves.  Everybody's family values  are different. I don't want to disparage anyone. Parenting is freaking hard. I did it. I remember. I know it is.

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And it still is. My daughter called me last week and she was very upset because something happened on her dad's side of the family that was  quite a shock.  And she was upset and I had to like swallow down my tears for her and listen to her cry. And it's one of the hardest things you can do with your grown children. When your grown children cry, like actually cry like a baby.

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All you want to do is stop it. You want to make them feel better. And as an adult, you know that they have to feel their feelings. They have to get through it. And I don't even know where I was going with that, but  parenting is really  hard. It's a really hard job to do.

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So you're doing a great job. Well, thank you.  All  right, guys.  I try to keep you to half an hour. We're at 37 minutes and I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me today.  Where can people find you online? Yeah, sure.  Thank you so much for having us.  Right now you can find us on Instagram and Facebook at Homestead Hobbyists.  There's also a link to a newsletter that we're going to be doing here quarterly. So

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You can click the link and sign up for the newsletter. then hopefully here in the next month, we'll have our website launched. So we're going to have blogs about all the different things that we're doing.  We have  the small vineyard grapevines. So that's a lot of the focus right now  because they will be producing grapes next year for the first row.  We'll see.

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But you'll be able to kind of go through and read all the things that we're doing there. So for now, Instagram and Facebook are the best way to follow us and see all the new things that are coming. can't wait to see the website and the blog post. I love it when I meet people through the podcast and I get to continue to follow them and see how they're growing. Not just the plants, but the people themselves, how they're changing.

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I would love to have you back to talk me through the whole grapevine thing and  what you're planning for that and how you actually intend to use it. So maybe you can come back in a couple months and let me know. Yeah, we can talk through that and then even more details around the orchard because we've got different trees for different purposes in there and we've got a whole other section of fruit trees now.  Nice. Yeah.  This year we found out with the

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Our fig tree has been an experiment in Ohio. They're  not really trees apparently. Okay. So  yeah, we would love to come back and talk some more. That would be fun. And we have little baby apples on our honey gold apple trees this year, like a whole bunch of them. We're so excited.  So anyway,  as usual, people can find me at a tiny homestead podcast.com. You guys thank you again. I really appreciate your time. Thank you.

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Have a great night. right, bye. Bye.