Kesinger Homestead

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share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Jessica and Renee at Kesinger Homestead. And I don't know who should get first billing on this because Jessica and Renee are sisters and I don't know who's oldest. I'm oldest, Jessica.  I'll take that. I think I said it right.  Yes, you did. And I would normally say, how's the weather? But I'm pretty sure I know how the weather is. So I'm looking out my window and it's and spitting snowflakes right now. And  you're in where in Minnesota?

00:58
Anoka County. We're north of those cities.  It's not snowing here yet.  It will be.  I'm sure it will.  You guys are probably going get more snow than we will in Lasur. Yeah, I'm really hoping this is it. I'm hoping this is the last hurrah of winter because  I'm tired of it. I'm ready for it to be over. It's April 1st, damn it.  We are all ready for it to be over.

01:26
This last snowfall was pretty. I'm not some pretty pictures and such, but I'm not even giving it that. It was not welcome.  Jess wants to just live somewhere tropical.  Oh, well, she is in the wrong state for that, but I  hope you at least get to go on vacation somewhere tropical. I do.  do.  Okay, good.  All right. So  normally I would say tell me about yourselves and Kessinger.

01:55
Kesinger or Kesinger? Kessinger. Kesinger, Homestead. But I looked at your Facebook page this morning and you guys have a cow that is imminently due with a calf or two. Yes. Oh gosh. me about that.  Oh gosh, what if it's two?  So she, yeah, so her window to deliver started about a week ago. So we had a live bull on the property. So we're not sure exactly when she got bred.

02:22
But she is showing signs. She's swollen back there. She's just a little bit irritable. And this morning she may have lost her mucus plug. I know everyone wants to hear about that. It's pretty gross. No, it's not. I am hopeful that this snowstorm gives us a baby. So that's my goal today. Yeah. How late did you stay up last night watching? I was watching her on the camera all night.

02:50
As much as I want your cow to be more comfortable,  I also would like to have at least 30 minutes to talk to you guys before you have to like run off to help her.  Because this is real life listeners. This is what happens on homesteads. Animals go into labor when they're ready. And it doesn't matter what you're doing, you got to drop everything and go see if they need help. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So, I've Googled how to take care of cow and labor.  we're...

03:17
We're semi-prepared. It's our first year with cows.  Oh, okay. How many cows do you have? So we have two moms  and they both came with babies. So we have four and then both of the moms are pregnant again. So we'll have six this summer. I'm so jealous you're going to have calves. I'm jealous. They're so cute. I know. I know. And I think they'll let me snuggle them as my, I've tried to make them my best friend the past year. So. They should.

03:45
My goal. It's my goal. So yeah, we're all about all the babies, baby chicks, baby cows, maybe a baby pony next year. As we're looking at little Coco out there in her pasture right now.  Uh huh. Yeah.  Um, is she, is she bred? No,  we've been Googling that.  So that might be we between the two of us, we have six kids. So  the more ponies, the better, think.

04:14
Well, you won't have to rent one for the birthday party if you already own one. that would be great. Exactly. Yeah, she gets passed around for birthday parties for sure. Oh, funny. All right. So tell me how this all happened because you guys are sisters, you live four and a half miles away from each other and you're both doing homesteading. So what's the history here?

04:36
So I, this is Jessica.  I started about 10 years ago when I met my husband. So he lived in a town home  and when we were dating, he had home studying books on his shelf, which was funny. Cause again, town home living. Um, so we were just kind of meant to be, he was more than happy to move out to the country with me.  Um, but he's an engineer. So he is the best at optimizing things. So

05:01
That's how we're able to do so many different things on a limited amount of time is because we put a lot of work and time in the front end. So the maintenance is minimal. he's helped me with that. then Renee just got interested and excited and I'd give her a free tomato plants. And eventually I convinced her to take some chicks home and yeah. I mean, so I've been in it for, this is my second year and

05:30
mainly just chicks when I have a small garden. So she does a lot more of the homesteading than I do, but I'm learning from her and growing in that way. But when she gave me eggs, she's like, and this is from the cream crested leg bar rooster. So these are all be Easter eggers. And I think this one is from my Rhode Island red and all these different names. like, I have no idea what all these are. I'm not going to remember all this. And now here I am two years later. knows all of them. I know all of them.

06:00
You sucked her into the lifestyle. did.  You did a good job. I'm going to say I didn't,  I wasn't super into it to begin with. I'm like, okay, yeah, cool. Chicks, chicks are fun. They're cute. But then like, yeah, I got obsessed. It's fun. Chicken math is  real. You need all of them.  I hear chicken math is real a lot. It's really bad. It is. You need all the colors.

06:26
Because it's just as easy to raise 50 chickens as it is to raise five. You just have to have bigger vessels of food and water. Yes, yes, absolutely. I have not gotten sucked into the needing to have all the different colors and different colored eggs. I really do. You should. No, I can't afford it right now.

06:51
And for us, the eggs are just a means to an end for protein because everyone I've talked to for the last month and a half, who I've talked to about chickens and laying hens, has been all about, it's really nice to have your own laying hens because then you have your own eggs and you're not paying $10 to $12 a dozen at the store. And I can vouch for that because we just got our new dozen at chickens like five weeks ago, something like that.

07:21
And we'd had chickens before. my husband came home from shopping. He was down in Mankato doing stuff at Menards and Fleet Farm and stock pick up groceries. And he was like, six eggs is going for $8. And I said, well, I said, I'm going to contact our chicken dealer and see if she has any laying hens because this is crazy.

07:47
So I I contacted our chicken dealer slash broker and said do you have any laying hens that are ready to go? And she said they'll be laying in four weeks. How many do you want? I said all of them, but I can't afford them I would love 12 and she said cool and I said how much she said $23 a bird and I thought to myself, you know, I am willing to do that. That is fine

08:10
So I actually got into cows last year because I got mad at beef prices. I went to Target, I paid $6 for a pound of ground beef from an animal that was raised who knows how from who knows where. And I went home and I sat down with my husband and I said, I want to get cows. He said, okay. So I'm like, okay, we need to run before he changes his mind and researches this. And I had cows on the property within 12 days.

08:39
Jess is very impulsive when it comes to animals. I think it was around the time of tax refund. So I had some cash that was just sitting there begging to be spent. And I'm like, I'm going to, I had to put some different gates on for cows.  Um,  but the rest of our horse fencing was sufficient. So we just had to change around a couple of gates and take my horse trailer, go pick up a couple cows. And that was that. And ta-da. And now we have cows, no beef yet, but cows.

09:08
We're starting.  Whale cows produce more baby cows and then you can take some of the cows  and butcher them at two years old or whatever it is. Yep, two years. So we'll butcher this winter will be our first time. So we're excited for our own meat where we know that the animals have one bad day at the end and that's it. Otherwise they are happy and loved and spoiled and we know what they're  eating.

09:35
Lena's getting some apple scraps from applesauce I made this morning. Oh yes, they love their  carrots and apples and everything from the fridge.  And they don't mind the soft carrots from the fridge if you have any. Exactly, they're not picky.  Yeah, that's why we love our chickens because if things are not quite up to par for us to want to eat,  we're like, oh, we have chickens again and out it goes to the chickens. They love it. Yeah. They never feel bad about it.

10:04
Exactly.  So cows, chickens, kids.  Do I miss? Oh, you have a horse, right? Or a pony? Yeah, but we have,  I have two riding horses and then, and this is Josie, and then we have a pony that goes between the two of us.  Okay. And then we garden. Yeah. Okay. Good. Gardening is going to come here very shortly.  The horses, are they, are they just for fun or do they have any jobs?

10:34
They are to make me happy. Okay. So that, is their job. Other than that, no job. Yeah. Manure. Manure. Compost. Yeah. Sure. We'll pretend that's their purpose. It's really, really good, um, fertilizers. So yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I asked because back in the olden days, as it were,

10:59
people had jobs for their horses, they pulled carts or they pulled the plow or they whatever, they had jobs.  And horses are an expensive hobby. And if you can,  you can afford it. I applaud it because I think horses are beautiful.  Yeah. But I feel like they don't have as many jobs as they used to have.  No. So back in COVID days,  when everything was shutting down and chaos was happening and everyone was uncertain about what was going to go on.

11:28
Me and my husband laughed. like, you know, if we can't get fuel, we're going to jump on those horses and we'll still have transportation.  So we did joke about that.  It has not been needed, but, and you know, if it really does hit the fan, they, that, that is protein.  I don't think it'll ever come to that.  never know.  Life is crazy right now.  No  kidding.  I don't think I could do it, but.

11:56
I tell my husband that and then he allows the animals to stay.  Well, that's good. I would hate for you to have to give up any of your animals because I can hear how much you love all of them.  I do.  So I don't want to, I really don't want to go into why things are crazy right now because I try to avoid politics like the plague on my podcast.  So let's talk about your gardening. Do both of you garden or just one of you?

12:22
Mostly just me, Jessica. I'm kind of getting Renee into it. She's coming around. I'm going to teach her how to can this year. Nice. Yeah. So I haven't really gotten into canning. So everything that comes from my garden gets eaten in the fall. So it's not a really super big garden, but I want to get into grapes this year. So we're going to plant some grapes. Yeah, I don't have a whole lot in my garden, but Jess is going to get me going.

12:50
I have a tomato addiction.  It's ridiculous.  It's a problem. So I started with probably six heirloom tomatoes and then I went to 12 and then I went to 30. Last year I had 54 plants plus a couple cherries.  I need all the different colors of tomatoes. It goes back to the colors of the eggs. need one of every color and everything that I do.  Well, that's okay.

13:19
That's fine. So lots and lots of tomatoes.  I do can them.  I, when I run out of energy, I just dice and freeze them. I was selling them for a while.  Um, but then I realized I can consume all of the tomatoes in a year.  Yeah. I love tomatoes.  Well, I suspect you probably will never have cancer because tomatoes are really high in antioxidants.

13:45
Mm-hmm. Well, that's so cancer. That is a huge driver in  us producing our own food. Uh-huh. So I'm a PA, so I work in family practice.  And the cancer rates are just terrifying.  The past probably 10 years, we're just seeing more and more cancers in younger people. And it's got to be what we're eating. It's got to be the preservatives, all the chemicals that we're consuming. So if we can produce food on our own property,

14:15
then we know what we're eating and what we're fueling our kids with.  So  Whole Foods is where it's at.  Absolutely. I was going to put a word in there that I don't say on the podcast either, so you can guess which one it was.  Absolutely.  I know.  You know, we are what we eat. We've been saying that forever.  But I think it's finally time that people are waking up and realizing that. So.  Yeah.

14:43
Yep. And it's such a bummer because we, I don't know, I'm 55. You guys are in your what? Late 20s or early 30s? Yeah. I don't know if you were raised like I was, but I mean, it was nothing to ride my bike a mile and a half to the store, pick up a Dr. Pepper and a bag of Doritos and eat it on the way home. Exactly. And we didn't think anything of it. And I don't, I don't do Dr. Pepper because I can't afford it. Pop is unbelievably expensive. And I don't do Doritos because I have, um,

15:11
and like an allergy or a reaction to MSG and MSG is in almost every flavored chip known to man. And so I just don't do any of that stuff anymore. And what I really love to do is just take some lemon juice, put it in a glass, throw some water in it, add like a teaspoon of sugar, stir it up, and that's lemonade. Exactly. And I am, I'm going to say something that people either hate or love.

15:40
I don't think that sugar is a bad thing for you. I think that too much sugar is a bad thing for you.  And I don't think that butter is bad for you.  think margarine probably is bad for you. I feel like it's all moderation and even moderation in moderation sometimes. To me, I feel that it's  the number of ingredients. So like you said, your lemonade, three ingredients,  butter.

16:09
One ingredient, two,  salt. If add salt to it.  But yeah, staying away from all the chemically derived  foods  is definitely the healthy way to go. Yes.  My husband just made his amazing herbed bread on Sunday  and he knows and I know exactly what's in this bread and it makes the most beautiful loaves  and the crumb is amazing.

16:37
I just, look at what he does in an hour and a half, you know, barring the  rise time.  And it's so much better than what you can buy at the store and it doesn't have any preservatives in it. Yeah.  I've gotten a little bit bread crazy here.  Started making sourdough back in November of last year and now I'm like on the process of getting my cottage bakery license. Yay.

17:06
Providing, yeah, providing bread for, you know, neighbors and people in our community around us. That's simple  ingredients.  Yeah, I was actually pretty grossed out because I found a half loaf of bread at the bottom of my  bread thing. And it was from like January and there was not a speck of mold on it. I'm like, there's something wrong with that. Cause it's April now, four months later and it has not molded. It's so scary.

17:35
That's not food. Versus I buy Renee's sourdough every week and by the next week, if it's not gone, which that's a rare occasion, but if it's not gone,  it's moldy  as it should be because it's a week old.  that tells you that  anything that has that super long shelf life, yeah, is terrifying. What's in it? Who knows what's in it?  Yeah. I don't  see, here's where it gets iffy for me.

18:02
I don't want to scare people. want to empower people.  so maybe we just put the spin on this particular subject that if you make things from scratch, from whole ingredients,  number one, it's going to taste good, but you need to eat it. You need to eat it or freeze it. Yes.  Oh yeah. Yeah.  And it  is frightening how many young people are now getting sick when they should be in the prime of their lives and healthy.

18:32
And I do think that it probably has something to do with the food.  But I also feel like young people these days aren't getting out in nature. They aren't moving their bodies. They aren't  grounding their bare feet in good black dirt. And I think that has to do with it too. Yeah. Our kids don't, for the most part, don't do electronics. They're outside. They're chasing the pony around. They're holding chicks. They're trying to catch the chickens, which

19:01
It's pretty hilarious. We should be trying to catch the children.  So it's good times. should. But playing in dirt, you know, just take the sticks and hit the tree. That's what my son does. He runs around hitting things with a stick. That's fabulous.  He's learning cause and effect. And he's, like you said, staying grounded.  Yeah. I didn't realize that that was a thing until somebody I loved very much, like an auntie figure,  told me about it.

19:28
She saw me take off my shoes in the grass one time, we're outside doing something. And I was just sitting there with my feet in the grass and she said, are you grounding?  And I said,  I don't know what that means.  And she said, oh, sweetheart, let me explain to you what you are doing right in this moment.  And explained to me the premise of grounding. And I did it all the time. Like my dad would go out until the garden in springtime  in this, you know, when it was warm.

19:57
and the dirt was warm and I would go out and take off my shoes and stick my feet in the loam because it was warm and it felt good. And everybody thought I was kind of crazy because I did that and I was like, it feels good and it makes me calm down. I don't know why everybody's freaking out. So there are some real things to grounding yourself in the way that you need to. Yeah.

20:25
I will say my feet are a permanent color of brown slash black all summer long. just like gets into the calluses.  And then it's just stuck like that all summer. I can't get it off as much as I scrub. I'll go and get my nails done, my toes done and fill.  They can't even get it out. We don't wear shoes.  Even as a kid, we were barefoot.  barefoot. Cole's grossed out that I would go into the horse pasture barefoot.  Oh, I say  out of the pasture.

20:55
Yep.  I  think that dirty feet are the sign of a happy soul. Yeah. Yeah. They really do. Yeah. Yeah. And dirt under your nails. That's always a battle because I can't help but go out and dig in the dirt.  I walk by my garden, I got to go prune some stuff and check for progress. I do a walkabout every evening where I just go and I check my flowers and I see what's blooming and

21:24
check my tomato progress, see if I can predict when I'm going to be able to pick that first tomato of the season,  check the chickens, get eggs,  do a head count on the animals.  It's just  such a peaceful time every evening and after, because I work full time. So after I get off work where I can go and just walk around the property and see the progress that's happening. And how satisfying is that?

21:50
It's amazing.  Because I built it. I when I bought the property, so I've been living where I'm living right now for  oh my gosh, like 15 years.  So quite a while and it was nothing when I bought it. I mean, the house was run down. We've redone it a couple times since then and there were no gardens.  So we have a fairly established orchard with about eight apple trees. My husband made me raised beds that's full of lilies, dahlias.

22:20
A bunch of annuals, I have my large  vegetable garden, the horses, the cows, the chickens. The majority of her yard is fenced in area.  it's all animal pasture. A lot of pasture. I utilize every inch of our property. If it's not grazing property, it's growing.  But we still have grass, grass for the kids.  Not much though.

22:48
We have a large wildflower patch and so do you. both have wildflowers. Nice.  It's  just peaceful. Yeah, and beautiful.  I really feel like a lot of the people that I talk to on this podcast are very much drawn to beauty. And this lifestyle really, really, really hits that sweet spot. And no, it's not beautiful when you're watching your animals poop.

23:18
or pee. It's what they do and it's not repulsive, but it's not beautiful.  But you look at them when they're just being themselves and being playful or just standing there looking gorgeous and you can't help but just appreciate the beauty of nature.  I just love to go out and sit and watch my little tiny dinosaurs run around and scratch  their

23:45
Even chickens are beautiful. mean,  I'm not a chicken fan. don't, I've said this before, I don't like touching them because  the quills in their feathers just, I don't know, they set off an ick thing for me.  But  if I just brush my hand down their back, they're really soft.  And the new chickens, they're 26 weeks old now, something like that. So they're new chickens.

24:13
their little fluffy butts are the best thing ever.  They look  so soft, like a kitten is soft. And I watch these chickens walk around and I will spend half an hour just watching the chickens do chicken things because I'm like,  what are they doing?  And then I figure it out and I'm like, oh, now I get it.  Yeah. Yeah. They're fun to observe. They're busy.  They're crazy.

24:40
It's almost like a childlike joy though. mean, the kids will randomly run around, stop and look at things, play with things. It's that innocent  exploration that I think as humans were drawn to. Yeah. You might, you both might laugh at me, but I feel like homesteading, farming, gardening  is one of the  few lifestyles where you can take that moment and actually live in it.

25:09
You know, be in it.  Oh, yes, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Because I can't tell you the last time I went for a drive  and I was in it, like experiencing the drive.  I don't experience the drive. going from point A to point B. when I look outside at my property and it's snowing and it's beautiful,  I stop and I actually  live in

25:38
that moment, like I take a breath and I let it out and I experienced what I'm seeing. And there is something really important about that. Yeah, we are. For sure. For sure. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna say this, a friend of mine's husband passed away on Sunday and it was sudden and unexpected. And I am very sad for her. And it really reminded me that no one is promised tomorrow.

26:08
So I might be riding this experiencing the moment a little hard because I'm feeling it right now. But you got to soak up all life has to offer because you don't know when it's going to be over. Right. 100%. Yeah. So it's just a little reminder that tomorrow isn't promised and today is a gift, which sounds really cliche, but it's also really true. It is so true. It is so true.

26:37
Yeah.  So I don't know. Anyway,  it's been on my mind for today. Well, since yesterday, since last evening. So it's been a little sad, but it's okay. So what's I always ask people, what's the future look like for you guys? But it sounds like the future is that you are sisters who really love each other, which is amazing. And that you're going to keep growing this homesteading life together.

27:07
Yes, for sure. Yeah. One of my biggest goals is to get an established greenhouse. So then I can have tomatoes earlier in the season and later in the season.  Tomatoes.  So we're going to have a green, she's going to have a greenhouse and I'm going to come over and bake my bread in her greenhouse to help heat it. And then we're going to sit under her banana tree and eat fresh baked sourdough bread in her warm greenhouse in the cold, cold.

27:36
Minnesota winter. That's the plan. So I'm convinced,  well, my husband, the engineer is convinced that he can design, engineer a greenhouse that we can heat year round through mostly geothermal heat.  And  there's a bunch of tips to  utilize the,  gosh, I can't think of what it's called. Like the mass of water. So when you heat water with the sun during the day,  slowly releases that heat.

28:05
through the evenings. So there's a guy in Canada that has bananas year-round. So that's my goal, is I want a banana tree and tomatoes and herbs year-round. I want to go out to my greenhouse and pick basil in January.  Me too. Me too. when you're done  with your answer to my question, I have a couple things about the greenhouse.

28:28
Well, that's just the goal is the greenhouse more animals. I mean, that's kind of how the homestead page started. did. The greenhouse is expensive. if this homesteading page can take off and get more people interested, then that would help subsidize the costs of the greenhouse and possibly sponsorships and yeah, down the road. Steve calls, Jess calls me one morning and she's like, Hey, let's start a Facebook page so that I can.

28:56
do my greenhouse down the road. just like that week, we're like, okay, here we go. Again, impulse. Impulse.  I tend to make decisions very fast.  But  also I follow through with them. I'm someone that once I decide to do something, I put everything that I have into it and  follow it all the way through.  That helps for sure.  Okay. So the geothermal thing for the greenhouse.

29:24
It does work.  I applied for a grant a year and a half ago or so. And the point was to make a winter greenhouse.  did? Okay. And we got the grant, which is amazing to me. And last May, my husband and my son built the greenhouse. Like we ordered supplies, they built the greenhouse. It's amazing.  There are pictures on my Facebook page if you want to go look. You'll have to scroll back a little bit.

29:52
I really wanted to do solar panels  and  a heater in the greenhouse that the solar panels would power. Yeah.  And my husband was like, no, I want to try this thing where you buy  the, of course, can't think of it, IBC totes, the plastic totes and fill them with water. Okay. Paint them black.  And then when the sun goes into the greenhouse, it will heat up the water because of the black paint on the outside.

30:20
It will soak up  all that heat during the day and it will disperse it at night. There are like eight of these in the greenhouse, which takes up a lot of room.  It works. It did not work back during that really cold stretch in January, I think it was,  because it was cloudy. So  the water containers weren't soaking up enough heat to disperse it.  So  it gained us like...

30:50
like October, November into December, it wasn't freezing in the greenhouse. But on the days when it's cloudy,  it doesn't work as well.  then there are, right now he's got tomato plants and pepper plants out there and he is supplementing the heat from the water containers with a space heater. And he's got the plants up high because heat rises.

31:17
And the tomato plants and pepper plants are doing fine. And it's been like 47 to 50 degrees in there every night, every morning when it gets up. You're living my dream. That's what I want to do. Oh, that's so exciting that here in Minnesota, you've been able to do that. Yep. But I don't think I'm ever going to see a tomato in January out of that greenhouse because it just can't handle the extended days of cold. Yeah. We would put supplemental heat in there. So we'd be willing to

31:46
to pay for a little bit of extra heat for those shorter months. Would you also use the groundwater too? Something about like the ground, is groundwater warmer?  The geothermal,  that's the underground.  I hear it works, but Minnesota is tough because you never know how cold it's actually going to get when it goes below zero in January and February. But I did hear the cloud is the problem, the cloud cover.  Minnesota has so many cloudy days.  Yeah.

32:16
So yeah, it's  still a progress, but well, yeah, I think we'd put a wood stove in there where we just have my kids go throw some logs in.  Yeah, absolutely. And there are, there's a lot of ways you can do it, but he really wanted to try this IBC tote idea. And I was just like, it's your baby. Do what you want to do. Do the experiment. And I'd be like, that's great. As long as we have a backup heat. Yeah.

32:43
Oh, well, my one my one foot putting down ish thing. Yeah, was that I didn't want the basil seedlings to go out until we know it's going to be over 40 degrees in there overnight. Yeah, those are my babies. I love basil and I didn't want them to die. So yeah, yeah. So you have a bunch of plants in your living room, don't you? On my table in my kitchen. Yes.

33:09
Oh, it's in kitchen. I was close. I was close.  Right now, I think it's all basil. I think everything else went out to the greenhouse. How many basils do you plant?  A metric  ton this year. Oh my gosh, that's awesome.  But this is the first year that we're growing seedlings for the express purpose of selling them to people so that they can grow them in their gardens.  Gotcha. Cool.

33:33
Because we don't have to sell people produce. I'm totally fine selling them the baby plants to grow their own. That's fine. Oh, yeah, 100%. And I'm excited about it because I want to get everybody growing a small backyard garden right now. Yes. Oh, yes, because you can control what's going in your food. 100%. Yes, and I'm very concerned about supply chain issues in the next year or so.

34:01
I really want to encourage people that if they have any space to put in a raised bed to grow something, grow it,  do it. And it's a learning process. So, you know, start this year, get better next year and master the third year. And then you'll be able to supply your own food for your family. Or at least part of it, you know? And if you can't, if you don't have room to grow all of it, and we don't, we wouldn't grow everything for our house.

34:28
You can go visit the people who growing the things you're not growing and you can trade or you can buy. Trade and barter.  100%. Yes,  exactly. know, make a little community of people in your neighborhood who grow things and trade things back and forth and you'll be better off. Isn't it funny? We're going back to the old days.  I sure hope so.  Exactly. Maybe I'll be ride my horse to work someday. You never know. think. I love to ride.

34:58
I think you should just on principle do it once.  Well, I'd have to convince them to make a tie post for me,  like a hitching post.  Put my horse.  Yeah, that could be, oh my boss. Oh, that would be hilarious.  You don't have a bike rack at work? Oh, that's no fun.  No, I don't think they do. It's out in the country. So no, it's, we're, yeah, we're pretty, not really rural, but.

35:26
There's not a whole lot around your clinic. All right. Well, ladies, it's been 35 minutes. I try to keep this to half an hour, so I'm going to cut you loose. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Thank you for having us. Thank you for your time. Bye-bye.