Patchwork Acres Farm

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Today I'm talking with Felicia at Patchwork Acres Farm in Indiana. Good morning, Felicia. How are you? Good morning. Really good. How is the weather in Indiana today?  Actually really beautiful, uh but we're supposed to get rain tonight. And does Indiana need rain? It doesn't hurt. We had a really, really dry, hot spring and then it has turned into cool and very rainy for the last couple of weeks.

00:58
It's just kind of catching us up.  Good. Good.  I talk about this a lot on the podcast, but we had the last two years, not 2026, but 24 and 25. We had rain all of May and into June and our gardens suffered for it.  This year has been unbelievably  moderate. Our garden looks like it's going to be incredibly successful. Fingers crossed and knocking on wood.

01:26
And  we're very excited because we have a farm to market garden. And in twenty twenty three, we had tomatoes coming out of our ears like we had  hundreds if not, I bet we got to a thousand pounds of tomato. Oh, wow. You had a good year then. We did. And we sold a lot and we gave a lot away and we got kind of a  minor reputation in our area for having really good tomatoes.

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And then terrible weather. And then 24 and 25 hit and people were like, do you have tomatoes yet? Do you have tomatoes yet? Do you have tomatoes yet? And we're like, no. And even when we did, we only had a few. So everything is crossed. Hopes are up for a really good tomato season this year. Yeah, that would be great. So really thankful for the moderate, beautiful spring that we have managed to eke out here in Minnesota this year. It is sunny and cool and lovely outside right now here.

02:23
Yes, I always do a weather update because mostly for me because if I listen to the episodes I can get an idea of what the weather is gonna be from the previous year's one weather Yeah Because it does kind of follow trends like that It does and I figure if we get two years of really terrible winter or a really terrible spring We're due for a good one. So I just have to go listen to what I want to find out. Yep, exactly

02:50
I'm almost as good as the farmer's almanac and I can say that tongue in cheek because I've actually interviewed the editor of the old farmer's almanac. Her name is Carol and I can't remember her last name. Oh, that's cool. She's super fun. I'm going to ask her to come back and visit at some point here this fall probably. So anyway, I wanted to know about you and what you do at your place. So can you kind of give me a little introduction and what you do at your place?

03:20
Yeah, we do a little bit of everything.  Mainly goats. We raise goats, dairy goats,  and uh show and milk and make soap and all that stuff. And then  about six years ago, we started with the sheep and we've got a fine wool breed of sheep called CVM. So we raise them for uh fleeces and we sell lambs and then we process some of them. ah So we've kind of done that for the last about six years.

03:49
And then the last couple years, chickens. What's CVM stand for? California Variegated Mutants. They are an offshoot of the Ramadale breed. And Ramadales are all white. That's the breed standard. So CVMs are a colorful Ramadale. Because  if they're white, they can still be a Ramadale. a gray CVM can never, you know, they're considered a CVM.

04:18
uh mutant. uh Because they're a mutated color. Yes, yes. So I thought the black sheep of the family literally. Yeah, I thought maybe the M was for mutt like a dog that's behind a

04:35
So, okay, keep going. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. You said you have chickens. Oh, yeah. And we have  chickens and we just got ducks again this year. just a little bit of everything. Exciting. So do you have a background in  animal husbandry? Did you grow up doing it or your grandparents or anybody? ah No, I have always loved animals since I was a little bitty kid and we lived in apartments. So um that was not really a thing. But as soon as I got

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older and had my own money. I had animals and I started volunteering at vet clinics when I was about 10. And so that's just, I've always been obsessed with it. That's anybody who met me as a kid, like that's, they're not surprised by this now. So it's kind of like when you're a kid and you want to eat ice cream every day for dinner and your parents are like, absolutely not. And then when you get into college, you're like, I'm getting ice cream every chance I get.

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I wanted to be a zookeeper in kindergarten and that's about where I've gotten.  Well good.  I think if you have a dream you should live it out. Yeah. So it's been a lot of fun and that's my grandparents had uh a market garden. They had a big vegetable garden. They did the markets  and my grandpa raised honeybees. So I grew up doing that with him  and uh so they had a farm and I grew up mainly on their farm.

06:05
I had lot of fun doing that, but he didn't do animals. Okay. But he did honeybees. Yes. So did you, did you learn about that from him? Oh yeah. I, uh, I was real involved in the honeybees from,  I think five or six years old when he got them. And my grandma custom made me a tiny bee suit so that I could go work them with him. And I was involved in the whole thing of that for as long as he had them. We had a lot of fun doing that.

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Awesome. So do you think that you'll ever get into keeping honeybees yourself? Oh, yes. We had them for a while.  And then when we moved to this property, it is not  we live, we're a long, skinny property between four cornfields.  So  it's not good for honeybees. They get sprayed and they die. I can't keep them alive here. So I need something that is more buffer from all the cornfields. Yeah.

07:03
I understand. live in the middle of on any given year, Felicia, it's corn, it's corn or soybeans or alfalfa. Yep.  So I get it. And they just went through and sprayed some  fertilizer on the soybeans two days ago. And we never quite know what they're spraying. And we like the people that own the land. So I'm not going to complain about it, but we have a dog  and  her lead.

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goes like a foot into the field. So anytime they're gonna put manure down or they're gonna spray something, we make sure that she goes potty and she comes back in right away. Because we don't know  what it is, we don't know if it will hurt her. And she's like,  on a good day, she's 35 pounds, on a fat day, she's 40 pounds.  And so she's not a big dog and we  don't know  what they're using and we don't know how it will impact her.

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brain mostly so we're very careful so I totally get it.  I feel like my voice is really rough.  Does it sound really rough to you? Oh not too bad. Okay I've got some allergies going on like wow I have real gravel in there.  Trying not to sound like I smoke a hundred thousand cigarettes a day. Allergies do that to you though I've always got the allergy cough and yeah.

08:30
Yeah, it's been like this time of year. It's one of the joys of springtime because we're not as well. No, it is officially summer. I'm sorry. Today's the 24th.

08:41
I think so. Yeah, so summer started two days ago. It feels more like spring now though than it did in the spring. So it feels very springish now. Yeah, well we've hit summer allergy season and I always joke that Minnesotans talk through their nose because they have two seasons. They have cold season and allergy season. That's about right for here too. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm not from Minnesota but I've been here long enough that

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I have learned that it is really hard not to sound nasally when you are sniffling and snorkeling. Uh huh. In the 65 days a year. Yup. So, all right. So I have a question for you. I've not asked anybody this about sheep and goats because it never occurred to me until I saw that you have both. Do sheep and goats get along? Like can they be in the same pasture and be fine? Technically, yes. Okay.

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I don't keep mine together. Mine have totally separate pastures. And then when we put them out on the big pasture, we rotate them so the sheep are out at night, the goats are out during the day. um They have different mineral requirements  and the sheep are a lot bigger than the goats.  And the way they play and interact is quite different. um So for the most part, it would probably be fine, but I raise  a lot of Nigerians.

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And I  don't need a sheep headbutting somebody and losing kids or any of that. Yeah. So  I don't really run them together. And we also run our ram with our ewes year round.  He wears a  anti-breeding apron. Yep. And so I don't want him riding my does or any of that either. So everybody just stays separate. And it works out perfect because the sheep don't like the heat.

10:37
They don't like being out during the day. They like to go out and graze at night  and um the goats would be horrified by that. So the goats put themselves up right before dusk and they don't want to go back out. And that's when the sheep want to go out. So it kind of works out perfect to just rotate them and everybody's happy.  OK, thank you for that, because  I was looking at your Facebook page yesterday to refresh my memory about what you do.  And I was like, huh, I haven't asked anybody this yet. I get to find out something new.

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Yeah, some people do run them together. And especially in maybe a small herd that works a little better. But the mineral requirements and the feed requirements are different. My goats are on uh heavy alfalfa hay and a totally different mineral. And the sheep are on a grassier hay because they'll get way too fat on an alfalfa.  And  sheep are not small. I mean, are there many sheep? Like there's many goats and many cows and many horses?

11:36
But your sheep are not minis, right? No, we have full size sheep. So there's a big difference between like my smaller breed goats and then my sheep is a huge size difference. So. Are your sheep like five times as big as your goats? Not by weight, but close. They're because the sheep are around probably 150, 200 pounds and then the goats are

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you know, 50 to 70 for the most part. So it's a, it's a pretty big size difference. And goats do a lot of like rear up on their back legs and head, butt down, and they don't stand back and ram each other like sheep do. Right.  So the disagreements have a big difference in how they act, but sheep are real chill and they don't fight much. And the goats, you know, they play fight more than they actually fight, but

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So they will antagonize the sheep into  play with me and the sheep don't take that the same way.  I feel like  it's the difference between a four-year-old sibling  and the 16-year-old sibling. Yeah. The goats are the four-year-old.  Yes, they are.  Yep. And then I have a really dumb question. I don't know the answer because I've not looked it up.

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and I feel stupid asking it, I feel compelled to ask, can goats and sheep breed and have babies? uh Technically, rarely, yes,  but  rarely successfully. Okay. They typically die, you know, they can conceive and then usually  that baby is aborted. Usually it doesn't like come to term. Yeah. And most of the ones that come to term,

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they're born and they live maybe a few minutes to an hour and then they pass. Like they aren't very successful, but every blue moon, you know,  one does survive.  Are they called a GEEP? G-E-E-P? Yep.  Okay. Yeah. Sometimes.  I saw somebody post a photo of what they said was a GEEP.

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I was like, in the day and age of AI, I don't know whether I believe that.  I thought I would ask you because I figured you'd probably know. Yeah, they have occurred, but they're  very rare. Because I've had friends who ran  goats and sheep together have their ram breed their does and get them pregnant. But then they lost all those pregnancies. So basically, you just wasted a breeding season.

14:27
They got halfway to term and then lost them. So  it's kind of hard on the dough to do that. And it's very rarely successful. Most people pick up like hair sheep and they think that they're like at an auction or something,  or I've seen them at a sales where they're trying to call them a geep or something and sell them for a bunch of money, but it's most likely a hair sheep. They're just kind of,  know, swindling people. uh

14:56
Yes, and we don't want to do that, people. And hair sheep look like they should be a cross between a goat and a sheep, you know. They sure do. That's the, you know, kind of their vibe. Yeah, we. This is sound really stupid. We don't want to swindle people. We want agriculture to be a upstanding. Yes.

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Endeavor full.  People with integrity. Yes.  That's right. Yes. Don't lie to your customers because they won't come back and they won't support anyone else in the industry. Yes. Because it makes people not trust anybody. And there's so many scams in  in  all. Well in everything but in farming and homesteading and like.

15:52
People just getting after beginners who don't know any better and taking advantage of them is just terrible. Yeah, it is not cool. Don't do it.  Don't be mean. Don't be dishonest. Be kind. Be honest. Be helpful.  I'm trying so hard, Felicia, to have a good attitude right now in this world that we're in. And I'm trying to encourage people to have the same attitude of be kind, be honest.

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whatever the other one was, I forget. Just  try to be a good person. Because the world is so freaking hard right now. There are so many things that are weighing on so many people. If you can just make somebody feel good for a minute, you're not throwing the world. Well,  if somebody's wanting to get started in something, help them out and give them good advice and help them get started. Don't say, they're new, so they don't know any better.

16:52
That's just terrible. And I see a lot of that because I'll have people contact me.  Every few years where they bought, you know, dough, they can't get bread. And you go out and, well, they bought two bucks and they didn't realize that the other second one was a buck. know, somebody sold them this  story.  And I've had that.  I get that really an incredible amount of time.  When I was sharing alpacas, I used to run into a lot of people who had

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Maybe four males and they picked them up at an auction and they were sold as three females and a male and they paid a ton of money for them and they've got four boys. And like that's just a really rotten thing to do. I've had people do that with sheep, you know, like  kind of always check what you're buying and  especially from auctions. Auctions rarely know what's going on and they're just, they go by what the person told them. They aren't checking anything and

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It's kind of terrible how often that happens. Yeah. Do your research before you go to the auction. Oh yeah. Make sure you know how to tell the sex of the animal that you're  A surprising number of people do not know how to do that.  the most difficult animal I've ever had to sex is a rabbit. Oh yeah. so hard to tell apart. Rabbits are terrible. And if you buy baby rabbits, I can see somebody accidentally doing that with young rabbits.

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But  goats and sheep,  they're born with it.  It's real obvious. You're just being mean to somebody at that point. Oh, absolutely. And with rabbits, they're always like, the boy has a donut and the girl has a taco. And I'm like,  I have seen rabbits. Because we had rabbits. And you can't always tell what's what.  You really have to get your hands.

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into their belly and pull the skin up and  make things show. And even then sometimes people make mistakes. Plus rabbits don't like being on their backs except when their baby's in their nursing. Yeah. Yeah. Rabbits are terrible to tell. And I don't hold that against anybody because they're, you know, unless you've been doing it for a long time and you really do a lot of rabbits, most people aren't good at rabbits. No, it's difficult.

19:16
We had Baby Bunnies  the second summer we were here, I think. We've been here six years in August.  And I had to wait till they were like seven, eight weeks old to even begin to make a guess of what their sex was.  And it was great because I was picking them up every day. So they were totally fine with me holding them and looking at their parts. But  I wasn't sure until they were 12 weeks old what they were. uh

19:47
I wouldn't claim to be able to do bunnies. I've done a few, but not that I would tell anybody, like with accuracy. Yeah, I can sex a kitten from the day they're born. Yep. Yeah, I think kittens are much easier than rabbits, but I can see why people have trouble with kittens too, because they are kind of a little more fickle. Yes, if there's a big distance between their parts.

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They're a boy. If it's no distance between their parts, they're a girl.  Yes.  I'm trying to not be graphic here. So  we have kittens do here in a week. So I'm like, oh my God, baby cats, can't wait. Oh, there's not much cuter than kittens.  Yes, they're barn kittens. And mama's a little bit skitty about being touched or picked up. She'll come see you and she'll she'll let you pet her along her back.

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once and then she walks away like, nah.  So we may not actually see these kittens until they come out of the barn with her.  Yeah, we had somebody drop off a cat and I had an appointment for her and for like two weeks later and she had kittens like a week before that. So we had kittens a couple of years ago and that was fun. She was at least super sweet so you got to play with them from day one.

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in your business.  yeah. Yeah. There is nothing like a newborn kitten. They are so  tiny and so cute and so fragile. Yeah. Like you got to be really careful when you pick them up. Yeah. But they become your friends and they follow you all over the place and they try to help with chores. It's really fun.

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Yeah, I had them in my milk room and they were helping milk goats, which is not helpful,  it was a lot of fun.  Yeah, did you squirt them in the face? My grandpa's friends down the road used to squirt their barred cats in the face with the milk from the cows.  Oh yeah, and they figured out I feed all my kids on a bucket feeder. So it's got nipples in a row on it. And they figured out how to squeeze the nipples and get milk out. So I'd be filling the bucket feeder and I'd have a whole line of cats down there.

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Chewing the end of the nipples and squeezing them with their paws to get milk for themselves.  It was a rodeo every day trying to get my kids milk together and get it out the door before it had kittens in it.  Uh huh. Exactly. And I'm sure the baby goats were not thrilled to share their food with the baby cats.  Oh, not really. Or even the grownup cats for that matter. Yeah. Okay. So I was looking at your Facebook page and I saw a really curly haired Auburn colored dog. Is that that's your dog?

22:36
Yes, that's Gus. What is Gus's breed? He's a Boykin Spaniel. I have I've never heard of that.  Oh, yeah, they're uh, they're from South Carolina So it's always funny that most people around here don't know what he is either. But when we went to Tennessee to pick up goats uh everybody in Kentucky and Tennessee knew right what he was  and We're all excited to see him. But you come north of Indianapolis. Nobody knows what he is. So it's always kind of funny

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He's beautiful. Did you get him as a puppy? Yes. My husband  hunts ducks and then he's got his field bred golden retriever and he was doing hunt tests with him. And so I was going to the hunt test and there was a lady there that had boykins. And so I got to see the breed and  mess with him and I love spaniels. And so I was hooked. So I got him  just shy of three years ago. He's going to be three years old next week.

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Is it B-O-Y-K-I-N? Yep. Okay. I want to put it in the show notes because people will be curious to what we're talking about. Oh yeah. The perfect dogs.  Well, they're all perfect dogs if you're in love with the one you have.  Well, yeah. I just got to give my husband a hard time because he thinks his golden is the perfect dog. Yeah. And I think my Maggie, who's an Australian Shepherd, is perfect. Oh yeah.

24:04
And she's actually not perfect. is. She is the most amazing, perfect watchdog, but she's also the most obnoxious watchdog because they're interchangeable.  Yeah, basically. uh I've got a Commodore livestock guardian dog and she is  yes, she's always barking. She calls her all the time. I've not heard of a Commodore either. What's that?  They're the mop dogs.

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They're usually corded and they have big long white cords. Huh. So they look like a big floor mop. But I keep her shaved because she's a she works. She's outside all the time. So it's too hard to keep her. Not awful when she's corded.  I am going to have to look up Commodore. Oh, yeah, they're beautiful dogs. Is she what color is she? She's white, real curly hair. She looks like a really big

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poodle when she's shaved. You have the coolest farm dogs.  She's a real good with strangers. So that was kind of why I picked the breed is the ones I had met before  were pretty good with people and not real bad about escaping and climbing fences and obsessing over that stuff. And she's just been wonderful. She doesn't give me any fits  about trying to leave the property or, you know,

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She's great with all the babies, great with the other dogs. People come over a lot, so I needed something that was not  people aggressive.  she isn't, she really likes everybody. So that's kind of nice. She's a big dog? Yes. Like a hundred pounds big dog? Yeah,  she's right about a hundred pounds. Okay, cool. um Our dog  loves people  once she's decided that they're her people.

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Until she decides that they're her people she barks and barks and barks and barks at them and Yeah, well, she's all teeth in the front and she's all wiggle button in the back because she's yeah She's like I have to protect my people. I'm afraid of you, but I want to be your friend All in the same moment and I'm like me for the love of God. It's okay be their friend Take ten minutes at least to finally be brave enough to sniff their hand

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And  once she's realized that they're not a threat and that they're her friend, she is in their pocket the whole time they're here. Yeah. Yeah. On your barks and makes a ton of noise. And then once she's out with somebody and I tell her it's OK, like I've let them in and we're all buddies, she's fine. Yeah, don't I don't have the off switch. It's got to be the off switch. it is insane.

26:57
God just loves everybody. He has never met a stranger and he thinks that everybody comes here to see him and talk to him and that's it.  Well, of course he does. Yeah, he doesn't bark. He doesn't. He's just thrilled to death that somebody has arrived. Well, he looks like he's a really nice dog and he's very handsome. So of course he thinks that everybody comes. And he's not been wrong yet. So that's that doesn't help either is that he's he's always right about that. Uh huh.

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You would think that the people who come here, if we gave them treats to give to Maggie, she would just stop being obnoxious.  Nope.

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But it's okay. She's the perfect dog. We're sticking to it. That's our story. That's right.  Yes. And I'm so thankful for her. Like  I had no idea how in love I would be with owning a dog. I have never owned a dog before. Oh,  oh yeah. There's nothing better than having a dog. Yeah. My parents did, but we weren't,  I and my siblings were not responsible for the dogs. My parents  were responsible. So we just got the benefits.

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but it's a whole different ball game when you get a little tiny puppy and you raise them.  huh. Yeah. If I, if I had to give up everything and I could just have one thing, it'd be a dog. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a dog person through and through. Yes. And it's,  I'm doing it again.  I don't care. I'm doing it again. Dogs, when you get them as puppies and when you treat them well and you, you train them well.

28:39
They literally just want to do what you ask them to do and they want to make you happy. Pretty much. That is the best feeling on earth.  Except for maybe terriers, you know.  I've never met one. Oh, really? Oh, no one I know has ever had one.  Oh, I had I had one. That's why I haven't had chickens for the last eight years, because I had a

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a little terrier that I was supposed to be fostering briefly for a rescue organization and he was ridiculously charming as terriers are. And so once I signed the paperwork and said that I would keep him, then he said, well, actually I do eat chickens. I've just been good for two weeks to make you think that I didn't. So he knew when the ink was dry on the adoption forms that like,

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Okay, now it's official. I can become my true self. Oh, a sneaky little brat. Yes. So he was he was a wild thing. He was a lot of fun, but he was a there's a reason they call him terriers, you know, they're little terrors. Exactly. Well, what's interesting is I was never really a dog person. I liked other people's dogs, but I didn't want one because I liked cats. And then friends of ours.

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their two dogs had their first litter together  and we had bought this house and we had decided that when we bought a house with land we would get a dog and I saw these puppies and I was like oh my god they have puppies we're ready for a puppy can we get a puppy and my husband was like yep so we got Maggie and I swear to you the  minute she settled down so it took like  took like

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8-10 weeks for her to really find her footing because she was a baby. She was a day younger than eight weeks when we brought her home. But once she got comfortable and started showing her personality, I was like, that's it. I don't ever want house cats again. This dog. Yeah. Cats deign to put up with you. Dogs want to love you. Yes. I like the dogs want to love you better than the cats deign to put up.

31:00
Yeah, I've got both. I've always had cats with my dogs and they all get along great. Gus has his own cat  that kind of adopted him from a puppy. I've got a real big orange fluffy haired cat  and Gimli. And Gimli just when Gus arrived, decided that was his dog and they have been bestest friends ever since.  And it's just hilarious. Gus will pick him up and carry him around the house.

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And Gimli, like his back legs and his tail just drag the ground and he loves it. He'll go when Gus gets home and I open the front door, he runs over to see him and rub all over him. He's all excited see him. So it's funny. So  cute. ah Maggie loves kittens and I don't mean she wants to eat them. I mean, she loves babies. Oh, yeah. And she hasn't had any baby kittens, you little baby kittens in her life for two summers. So.

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When Smokey, the mom of cat, brings her babies out in eight weeks, or however long it takes her to bring them out, just depends. Maggie is going to be sitting at the end of her lead, waiting for those kittens to come over and be introduced. Yeah, Gus loves kittens. Which he's been raised though with baby goats and chicks and all this stuff now. And so he thinks all baby things are his and that everybody wants to see him.

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He occasionally gets himself into trouble because he travels with me for work and he'll go to somebody's house that doesn't have dog friendly cats and he thinks, oh, this cat wants to see me.  So he's gotten thumped a couple of times by an angry cat that did not want to see him at all.  yeah. He says, sure that they do.  They're so funny. Dogs are so funny. All right. So.

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I try to keep these to half an hour, Felicia, we're almost 33 minutes. So where can people find you?  Mainly we're on Facebook at Patchwork Acres Farm. ah That's where I'm kind of most active. And then we do have a website for the goats. ah I'm hoping to get the sheep on there  soon, but it's just time.  But we have a website at patchworkacresfarm.com  also. Fabulous.

33:18
And before I forget, I was going to ask you the AGDA, ADGA, whatever it is, for goats, what does that stand for? American Dairy Goat Association. ADGA, ADGA. ADGA. And then the other one, the other designation I saw on your website for the goats. AGS is American Goat Society, and NDGA is Nigerian Dwarf Goat Association.

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Okay, so there's just a whole bunch of them A's and G's and N's in there. Yes.  But ADGA is like the big,  the main registry in the US. So like if you are registered to ADGA, you can down register to all the other organizations, but they don't always up register to ADGA. Okay. So ADGA is usually like the big one that everybody's looking for.  Would you like to come back and talk to me in a couple of months about the specifics of all that, all the GOAT stuff? Oh, sure. uh

34:15
I feel like I've talked about some of it, but not all of it with people and maybe there's more to know. Oh yeah. There's a, Dairy Goats are a whole thing. There, you'll spend a lifetime learning about Dairy Goats. It's kind of fun. I like that about them that they're such a challenge. Cool. Well, let's schedule a time, I don't know, maybe in September to talk again. All right. I will message you and we'll get a date on the.

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Thank you Felicia, this was a joy. As always, people can find me at atinyhomesteadpodcast.com.  Hope you have a great day. You too.