Rural Route Bulbs

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Let freedom reign. Today I'm talking with Jody at Rural Route Bulbs in Wisconsin. Good afternoon, Jodi. How are you? Hi, I'm good. How are you? I'm great. How's the weather in Wisconsin? Well, it's probably about the same as Le Sueur. It's windy. It's warm, which is nice. It's like 62, but we have a pretty good south wind. think we're gusting to like 40.

01:21
Oh, it's not too bad here, actually. They were saying this morning that it was going to be windy and it was, but I think it's died down and it's sunny and I think it's 50 degrees maybe. Yeah, it's beautiful. And I was just telling someone else this morning that I interviewed at 10 a.m. that they are predicting real measurable heavy snow for Wednesday. And I'm like, of course they are because it's the day before spring. Yep. We were supposed to get that same snow.

01:48
So we'll see how much we get. We're kind of on the line between rain and snow, which we ride the line like all winter between rain and snow, it seems like.  are you in Wisconsin? Uh, we're by Eau Claire. So we're just east of Eau Claire. So about an hour and a half east of Minneapolis and St. Paul. Yeah. Eau Claire is really pretty. I have been through there. So.  It is. Go ahead. It is. It is. It's, it's so pretty in the fall. Um, I'm from Southern Minnesota.

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by where you're from. And I've been combining in some areas with previous jobs. And sometimes I just stop and I'm like, it's so beautiful here when the leaves are changing. And so yes, you're right. It's, it's wonderful area.  town are you from in Minnesota?  Janesville, Minnesota. Yes. Yes. I've heard of Janesville. My, my husband actually has family in Janesville, Wisconsin. So, okay. Yeah. I get confused.

02:46
A lot of clinking things going on here this morning or this afternoon. Sorry. keep thinking it's morning. It's not. It's one o'clock. Okay.  So anyway,  I'm very excited to talk with you because I've been talking a lot on the podcast with people about eggs,  chickens, cows and pigs. And I really do love flowers. So tell me about yourself and rural route. I can't say it rural route bulbs. Yeah. So, um,

03:15
Roll route bulbs was just  an idea that,  well, my husband and I, we were trying to think of a crop to diversify into that was local. So we farm,  we're pretty conventional farmers. know, we have a combine, we do corn, soybeans, rye.  We're trying to rotate into a couple of different things right now, but we were really looking for a local market  that we could diversify into.

03:44
We happened to be on a trip in Washington state for baptism for my sister and my husband was like, we should think about tulips. So we looked into them. We planted 5,000 one year just to see if they would grow well. And they did. then planting, I planted 5,000 tulips with COVID when it was new and I got very sick afterwards. And then we planted another 12,000, I think the next year and I.

04:14
planted those when I was pregnant. So I would like to plant tulips when I'm not in an otherly state.  Your property must be gorgeous in what, May, June? May, yep. It is.  16,000 tulips didn't take up quite as much space as I thought it was going to, but yes, I often find myself, I go out to  the garden just to

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to take notes on my tulips, which ones are coming back, you know, but sometimes it's kind of a lie. I'm just out there because it's just so nice.  Yeah. I feel like people who grow flowers do it partly because it's a good thing to grow, but because there's such joy when they bloom. Yeah. So my trade is in agronomy. So I generally work with crops.  Um, but I've

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I've had flowers for a long time and  while it was something local to diversify into,  it's just,  it's a totally different aesthetic than, you know, what your corn and your soybeans and your alfalfa are. So it's really been, it's been a fun thing to diversify into. Yeah, absolutely.  I've tried growing tulips here at our place and they do not do well. I don't know why. I don't know enough about it to know why.

05:38
We grow peonies and they're my favorite flower and they're basically a bulb flower too. Oh, go  ahead. Sorry. Yeah. We don't grow them  to sell. We don't grow thousands. We grow maybe,  I think we have 40 plants right now. Oh.  And so we mostly grow them because I love them and they're pretty and we do sell stems when they're blooming at the farmer's market, but that's about it. I bet they are pretty.

06:07
I bet they're very pretty.  so for the tulip thing that you mentioned, they're hard to grow.  There's a couple things. Some tulip varieties don't do very well this far north,  which I think you're probably in,  I think you're probably in like zone five. I'm zone four B.  We're right between the two. yeah. Okay.  So I have noticed that some, I've planted a whole bunch of varieties just to see what was going to work here and what wasn't going to work here.

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Um, and some varieties do a lot better than other varieties. Surprisingly, some of the tulip pair pair, some of the tool parrot tulips,  um, they're a little bit more irregular shaped in the leaves.  They do fairly well here. Um, but some of them, like the triumphs that are just like completely gone.  Um, so I think the Darwin's do really well here. I have some really good luck with some of the late doubles. Um, so you kind of have to find ones that.

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to some degree are regionally appropriate. Okay. I have no idea what the varieties were. We just bought some bulbs and put them in and we're like, grow. And  they did okay the first spring and they did less than okay the second spring.  And then this past spring, and it might've been weather related too because it just rained and rained and rained here last spring.  But  they didn't do very well that third spring.

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I really love the double bloom ones, the double, I don't what they're called, the ones where it's not just the outside petals, but there's like petals in the middle too. Yeah, they call those doubles. Yeah, that's all those doubles. Yep. Love those. I didn't even know they existed until about 10 years ago. Our neighbor had some coming up by his front step and I was like, those are not peonies. And I went and looked, I was like, I'll be damned. Those are tulips. I didn't know they made them, made them that way.

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Yep. They do look like peonies. I agree. They're so pretty. And I do know what your weather conditions were like last year. I was out looking at some crops with my mom and you guys got so socked with weather. Tulips need a lot of drainage and you guys have heavier soils. And so I bet they just practically rotted in the ground. mean, you were so excessively wet. Yeah, it was bad. Like

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I have talked about this so much. shouldn't even say it again, but our garden, our hundred  foot by 150 foot garden  was soup. Like  my husband had to plant tomatoes three times last year just for us to can like,  I think 20 pint jars of tomato sauce. Yeah. In our area, you could not find tomatoes that people grew on their farms.

08:56
We have a huge Hmong community in the area and a lot of them grow vegetables. And  when you would ask, we have some people right next to us.  Our farm is in town  and we have a park in front of our house and I usually get my vegetables from there in the summer. they were like, nobody has tomatoes because they just all drowned out.  Every tomato that we took to the farmer's market sold out in the first half an hour.

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gone. And my husband came home from the first farmers market. We had tomatoes in August, not July, August. And he said, I sold out of the, I think he took maybe 50 tomatoes. He said they were gone in the first 10 minutes they were open.  Well, I'm glad somebody else can relate to how wet the weather was in the Midwest last year, because it was just deplorable.

09:53
It was freaking miserable. And that's the F word I have to use on the podcast. Yeah, that's okay. In 2023, it so dry. In 2024, it was so wet. And we saw so many crop issues and we saw issues with soil microbial populations and we had slugs and they wouldn't go away because it didn't get warm. The last two years have just been the most crazy growing conditions. I think I've

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almost ever experienced like back to back. Yeah, it was insanity. And honestly, the summer before 2024, we  had the most beautiful garden. did great. So  yeah, we were very, very sad last summer.  And then I applied for a grant and got it and we put up  a hard sided greenhouse in May of 2024.

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Yeah, May of 2024. And didn't do a lot with it that  last summer because it was hot. So, you know, a hard side of greenhouse doesn't do you a lot of good when it's really hot out.  But we did manage to get some stuff put in there last fall.  And  we have actually managed to overwinter rosemary in that greenhouse this year or this winter. Oh, that's cool. Is rosemary a hard one to overwinter?

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It does not overwinter outside. Okay.  It will not. It dies. So excited that the greenhouse stayed warm enough that we could overwinter rosemary in it.  And we also had strawberry plants in pots, hanging pots out there.  They survived the winter too.  well that's cool. So the one saving grace of last year is that I applied for this grant and we got that greenhouse built.

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and extended our growing season by about two months in the fall. And growing season can now start like  now in the greenhouse. without the greenhouse, we can't do anything.  That's so nice because in the upper Midwest, if you don't have a greenhouse,  the weather's getting nice in Tennessee  and we're just sitting here like waiting. Like I have some crocuses I found that were coming up  this weekend.  otherwise.

12:17
That's kind of it, maybe a little bit of grass greening up, but we were 77 degrees last Friday, which I think was pretty helpful.  But okay, so I'll get a little bit back to tulips.  I  have a master's degree that I just finished in agronomy and I'm somebody who just likes to know.  I like to learn.  So  I dug up some, I meant to dig up crocuses.

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two weeks ago and I ended up in my daffodil row and I dug up some daffodils and the ground was still frozen. Like I had to go get a real shovel and stand on it to get it into the ground. Yeah. And I had daffodil shoots that were pushing up through the frozen ground. So,  um, from somebody who goes grows usual, usually annual crops, it was pretty excited to see like how hardy  daffodils are in the area. And when we planted them,

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So we bought a trencher to plant with.  so I crawl on the ground and I just pop the bulbs in the trench. And then my father-in-law, who is very, very nice, he, he fills the trenches in and walks on them for me.  So I just planted one daffodil, you know, one bulb. And when I put the shovel in, I had like four or five  bulbs that had daughter bulbs that had grown there. So that was pretty exciting to see that in this area, like my crop was.

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flourishing  and that they can push out through  conditions that  not plant great. That's been really fun. I dug some crocus bulbs up the other day too and I just planted one of those and man, I had a little cluster of them.  The first year I had them, thought, these aren't that great. I just have one flower and now I have a whole bunch of flowers to  one little clump.

14:11
That's been really fun to see the expansion of some of the naturalizing bulbs that I've grown.  Yes, that's the joy of bulb plants because  when somebody says to me, have peonies, I need split. Will your husband come over and split them for me? You can take half of them home.  I'm  on my phone texting him immediately.  Can you make time on this day, on this weekend to go split peony plants? And he's like, yes.

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Because the more  more times you do that  They do the same thing they spread as well So you start with like one clump of peony roots and they're not bulb there. I think they're a rhizome Yep, but either way rhizomes and bulbs propagate on their own and so we'll get one clump of a special peony that somebody has in their yard  and Three years later. There's like a hedge  Yep

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Yeah, yeah. mean, plants are just... The more I look into plants, the more I am amazed by  the things that they can do. So this is just a little off topic, but I was looking into  the nitrogen fixing process  for  legumes, so alfalfa, peas,  soybeans.  And in those nodules, the step before they make  usable nitrogen for the plant, they actually make rocket fuel.

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And I just thought it was like the most amazing thing. And I'm really a plant nerd, but I was like, those tiny little nodules with some  iron, malignum, and sulfur make rocket fuel. And it just blew my mind. So,  had no idea. I learned something incredibly new today.  Yep. Yep. It's I've told a lot of people and  they look at me like,

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whatever, Jodi. And I'm like, that's amazing.  It's just amazing that bacteria with some nutrients can do that. So it's very exciting.  if we get back to tulips, so this year is our first year in the you pick.  We're going to do some you pick with the tulips we have growing right now.  I haven't really done anything with them for the last

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five years because I've been trying to finish my degree and I was having babies and got to be a little bit too much. So this year will be our first spring with you pick. So I'm really excited about that. And then next year we're going to do an actual tulip display garden.  because I don't have a big stock yet,  I just ordered like 50,000 bulbs to put my display garden together.  I am actually really excited about that because how many people  get to

17:05
just have like a  huge garden. It's going to be a lot of work. I'm not super excited about all the hand planting, but I think the results will just be  stunning.  Hopefully. I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell everybody else who's like, I'm going to do this huge project and it's going to suck at the beginning, but it's going to be amazing when it's doing the thing.  I always say that big projects suck when you're beginning it.

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but it will be so worth it in the end. Yes, yes, yes. I'm very excited to see the product  next spring. should be,  mean,  it's a lot of flowers. It should be really, really pretty.  So I don't know if my husband's gonna be able to get me to do my normal job next spring.  Oh no, whatever will he do? He'll be fine.

18:03
I'll have to just get it done real early. So all my other farmers have their fertilizer plans ready to go before May. exactly. So do you sell tulips? Like the cut flowers? Yeah, so we're just starting this year. I feel like I'm a little bit of like a plant purist sometimes. I know that if I don't cut my flowers and bring them in the house, they're going to last longer.

18:31
Yep. In the ground than they are in my house. So  I  haven't picked a lot. I let a couple people last year come pick them,  but I usually don't pick them. And I've had a couple people stop and I think they've picked them, but we're  pretty close to a highway so people can see them. And they're like, what are you going to do with all those tulips? So it's been really good advertising. So  all the years before I didn't do much, I deadheaded them.

19:01
pretty much. And so this year we're going to do a you pick where we sell the cut flowers and in the future we might do some bulb sales this year, but in the future it'll be a you pick. We'll sell bulbs. I have some potted plants and you know, so it'll be more of an agritourism type thing where we have some food, you know, maybe some music on the weekends. We'll kind of see how everything shakes out. So it is like an incredibly

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new  business.  Do you have any idea how to make tulips last once you cut them and put them in a vase with water?  Well, now I don't know the particulars on that right this second. I have them in a notebook, but I do have a friend who also has a flower farm in Fall Creek  and she gave me some tips on that.

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but I would have to look through my notebook to find what they were since I haven't been cutting them. Okay, well,  do me a favor. When you do find out, send me a message and let me know just the basics because  I had some really pretty double tulip flowers come up two or three springs ago, like I was talking about.  And I cut some of them because they were so pretty and I put them in a  mason jar with water and they were good for about three days.

20:24
and then they started to wilt.  I thought three days was great. So one of the things with tulips is if you harvest them, longer they've been bloomed,  they won't last as long. So the best thing you can do is cut them before they bloom. However, that's kind of a double-edged sword I found because the tulips seem to get taller and bigger. The actual flowers do. The longer they've been bloomed.

20:53
Um, so like some of the store ones you see in the store, they're smaller, but they've been picked  pre bloom. Um, so the earlier you can pick them, the longer they last in the vase. And I think like daffodils, you have to let the goop come out of them  before you put them in  the vase with the other flowers or the goop will kill the other flowers faster. All right.  And you, you grow daffodils too. Yes.

21:23
Yes, I, and I had daffodils. So our farm is on the edge of a town  and I have just terrible trouble with deer.  Um, so I do,  I, I did grow daffodils as well because I heard they naturalize in Wisconsin a lot better than tulips will, which,  um, is pretty much the truth. All my daffodils come back and the deer don't touch them, which is really nice. I spray this stuff on my tulips called liquid fence and it kind of smells like.

21:53
It smells like hog manure and pee,  just for a little while. then humans can't smell it later, but the deer really just stay away after that because they like to eat them like right before they bloom.  so I'm always like  really excited to see the blooms. And if I forget to spray them,  they're all eaten off the next day.  Yep.  Damn those deer.

22:22
We have a doe that showed up here  two years ago. Two springs ago. I don't think she's still alive. I think she got hit by a car.  But  the first year she showed up by herself  and she nibbled a bunch of stuff that was growing in the garden. She didn't tear it down, but she definitely took some, some snacks.  And my husband was like,  um, we have a deer.  I said, He said she's, she's helping herself. And I was like, okay.

22:51
So like two days later, I was up early and I had my coffee and my husband came out on the porch  and he happened to look out the door and he was like, stand up really slowly and look to your left.  And I could see her out in the garden. I was like, oh my God, she's so beautiful. And he's like, yeah, and she's a thief. And I said,  Last year she showed up in May when there was really nothing in the garden and she had a fawn with her. So we get to see her and the fawn.

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And then my husband was driving to work about a week later and there was a dead doe on the side of the road, no fawn to be seen. And he said, I think our deer is done. And I said, okay, well then  your garden might be okay if we actually get it in. And then it rained all summer basically, so it didn't matter.  So I'm really torn about  do I want to see a deer or do I want the deer to not show up and not eat my stuff?

23:49
So it's a double edged sword, know? It's beautiful to know that she's around, but it's also going to cut into our production.  Yep. Yep. That's exactly how I feel about it. My husband got a picture of them  like last  spring  and they actually paw through the snow to eat my tulip vegetation if it knows after they emerge. they're...

24:15
Well, I mean, we live in the upper Midwest, so there's just not a lot of food at the end of spring, or, you know, at the beginning of spring. So I feel for them,  but I wish they would go for just somewhere else.  And my friend in the country, she's like, oh, I don't have trouble with  tulips with my, or deer with my tulips. And I'm like, oh, you're so lucky. Cause I spend a lot of time  spraying stinky stuff on my tulips. So the deer don't eat them.  I think that the deer just know.

24:44
when it's just tulips that somebody put in because they're pretty and there's only a few. And then there's people like you who are trying to make a business out of it and they're like, let's eat the business place first because there's so many more of them. maybe they just taste better. It's a fancier restaurant. They just know, yeah. It's slightly far afield, but I don't care. We put in peach trees two falls ago now and we actually had peaches last fall. Really?

25:13
There were 12 peaches on one tree and my husband brought in  six.  And I had one and my husband and my son ate the rest of the six.  And he was going to go out the next day and pick the other six.  They were gone. We think that a deer got the last six peaches, which is really sad because it was the first year we've ever had peaches and ever had put in peach trees.

25:39
And he said that he's going to try to put up some cattle panels like around the trees so that the deer can't get to them.  that,  oh, go ahead. Sorry. What most people don't know is that deer will jump a fence as long as they can see how much distance they have. So if you put like a small fence around a tree and then another fence around that fence, it confuses the deer. don't know how much clearance they have, so they won't jump the fence.

26:09
Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah. So he's going to do that this year and see if maybe we can actually eat our own peaches and not feed them to the deer. Yeah. Well, I've actually done some research on fences for, um, fields, uh, cause  we're in Wisconsin and there's a lot of deer.  Um, and fencing does help protect yield when it comes to deer feeding. So I think.

26:34
I think you're on a really good path. And also, I guess I didn't realize you could grow peach trees in southern Minnesota. They're a winter hardy tree. And I don't remember the variety and I don't have the tag that was on them when we bought them. all you have to do is go to Google because Google knows everything and type in winter hardy peach. And I think they were developed in Canada, if that makes any sense at all. Yeah, no, that's cool.

27:03
So yeah, and oh my, these peaches were like softball sized peaches. They were so good. Oh, well maybe we'll have to try some. Maybe it'll have to be a peach  tulip garden that we put in. Well, if you love peaches, I would suggest getting this variety because they're really good. Okay, I'll have to Google it. My husband loves them.

27:28
So you said crocuses, tulips, and daffodils. there any other bulb flowers that you grow?  Are there any other bulb flowers?  I have some hyacinths in there  and then I have some allium and  allium is kind of okay. I think it's varietal. I have some Everest ones  and I think I only have two or three of the six  that I planted that came back. And then I have  an ornamental purple one.

27:57
And those tend to come back pretty well.  The hyacinths are okay. They smell really nice, but the longer that they grow, so the first  year after I planted them, the first spring,  they came back really nicely and they looked like hyacinths. And then since then they have less flowers on them every time that they come up.  hyacinths are okay.  They're definitely something that you have to plant every year.

28:28
You know, I feel kind of  meh about the hyacinths,  but  I didn't think I'd like crocuses as much as I do, but they're just, they're just such a wind, a little winter hardy  bulb that I just, I really love their fortitude because they're not planted very deep.  So they freeze hard and they're like the first guys out of the ground. So  they have antifreeze in their bulbs.  They do. They're just.

28:58
It's amazing. so the longer I've been,  as I've been looking into  bulb physiology and what happens when it's cold and what initiates like flower formation in the bulbs,  it's really interesting. And I know  even some companies in the Netherlands, they'll MRI their bulbs to see  if they have  flower that's been initiated in the bulbs.

29:26
I can't remember if it's MRI or ultrasound. They take some picture of them. I think it's MRI where they could see if there's going to be a flower that comes out of the bulb. Wow. Okay. They really have it down to a science.  All right. Well, I have a couple of things about things you just said  and then we'll probably be at 30 minutes.  The hyacinths. When I was little, I used to call them the grape plants.

29:54
the purple hyacinths because they looked like grape Kool-Aid to me.  That makes sense.  And the crocuses.  We put in crocus bulbs the first fall we were here, so  four falls ago. And I'd never grown crocuses. I just thought that they were very pretty. seen pictures and I was like, let's try and see what happens.  I had no idea the bulbs, the blooms were so tiny. Yeah.

30:23
My husband came in and he said, there's these little yellow and purple flowers out there.  And I said, did you take a picture with your phone? And he said, I knew you'd asked. So I did.  And I looked and I said, those are crocuses. said, how big are they? And he used his thumb and his finger to show me how big the bloom was.  I was like, are you kidding? He said, no, they're tiny. He said, they're gorgeous, but they're small.  I was like, oh no.

30:52
He said, did you think they were like a lily size? I said, yeah. He said, no, they're tiny. I said, oh, okay. So  we still, we left them and they've come up every spring since we put them in. There's not very many, there's maybe 20. Okay. And they haven't really naturalized. So there's not a whole lot of spread, but he comes in that part of the driveway where they're planted on the right-hand side. pulls them driveway. You can see them when they come up.  And

31:20
As soon as he sees the yellow or the purple, when he gets home from work, he comes in the door and he's like, you're going to be happy. The crocuses are blooming. And he's not wrong. I'm very happy because it means spring is officially here. first vestiges of spring is what I think every year when they start blooming. Yep, absolutely. And I don't know if you are a nature watcher beyond plants, but I saw a big flock of geese flying north the other day.

31:49
I heard my first red wing blackbird this past weekend. think it was Saturday.  And our maple tree  is sending out the little flower thingies right now.  Oh, okay. I don't know what they're called.  I'm not a plant person by science. I'm just a plant person by, oh, that's pretty.  But you know how the maple trees send out the little spiky flowery looking things that they're happening now. Yes. Well, that's exciting. Hopefully they don't get froze off on Wednesday.

32:19
Which is not,  it's not going to be that cold. It's going to be not cold enough to snow, but I don't think it's going to be bad. So,  Whatever the, the maple tree is going to do what it does. Cause it's been there for at least 50 years. I'm sure it'll probably be okay. Yes. Yes. They nature does what nature does, no matter what the weather does or what we try and make it do. Yeah. It started budding back.  Um,

32:49
I don't know, a month and a half ago when we had some really warm days. And I was like, go back to sleep. It is not time to wake up yet. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's the tricky part about the Midwest is those real warm days early, everybody and all the plants, everything gets excited for spring. Yeah, and so do we. I can't tell you how thrilled I am to be through this second really weird winter in a row.

33:18
And I said this the other day to somebody on one of the other episodes. said I have looked at the long-range forecast. I have looked at the old farmers almanac  Forecast and it doesn't look like we're gonna need to build an arc this year. So that's good news Yeah, yeah, I guess all we can do is wait and see uh-huh. I I am I've got everything crossed I I'm gonna braid every piece of my hair to keep that cross too cuz

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I can't live through another summer like last year. My husband will be so upset.  So we're going to just hope that it's all going to be good this year.  Normal amounts of rain. Healthy amounts of rain. Yes.  And in our case, even if we do have a drought here,  the thing we learned last year is it's a lot easier to deal with a drought because we have a well and we can water.  But you can't suck water back out of the ground.

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Nope. not where it rains like that. So it's easier for us if there's too little rain, if that makes sense. You guys have such beautiful soil down there, but you got a lot of water holding capacity and they don't always go well together. No, no. And the worst part for our garden is that we have like 12 inches of really good black dirt. And then you get down after that 12 inches and we've got clay.

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So when it rains real bad, it just holds that water even more because it's got nowhere to go. Yeah, you  something with a real long penetrating root to punch some root holes through that clay. Yeah, well, it was a hay field and weed field for 40 years because no one had grown anything on it for that long. it still is just,  it's clay under there.

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I hope it doesn't rain that much this year.  I'm praying. I'm not a praying girl, but I am sending up every message to the universe to maybe not cry so much this year. That would be great.  anyway, Jodi, I really appreciate your time and I actually learned some stuff about bulb flower plants that I didn't know about. So I'm very excited. I got a chance to talk with you. Oh, great. Well, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it.

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Yeah, thank you so much. Have a great day. You too. Alright, bye.