Steadfast Roots Homestead

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This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Krista and Dave as Steadfast Roots Homestead. Good evening, you guys. How are you? Good evening. We're good. How are you?

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I'm good. Other than technical difficulties over the last 48 hours, I'm ready to shoot my computer. Other than that, I'm great. Thank you for spending some time with me on Friday evening. I'm sure you probably had more fun things you could have been doing, but we're going to try to make it super fun. Tell me about yourselves and what you guys do. So this all started just a couple years ago. We started really

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getting into the homesteading lifestyle just a couple of years ago during COVID, essentially. We had been thinking about getting chickens for a while and that's what we started with other than we were already gardening and stuff. But we started with chickens and we moved on from there to getting a new property and more animals and that's where we are today. We're starting from scratch essentially.

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We're learning along the way. The gateway animal got you, those darn chickens. Right. Yes. We've always been really interested in natural living and more whole foods and stuff like that. We really wanted to be able to have our own. When you really look into the meat industry, it's scary. And you're like, that's kind of like, we're like, we can make our own chicken. Why not make our own chicken?

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And then it just ballooned from there. And now we're trying to do 10 million other things. We didn't get chickens for meat. We got chickens for eggs. And it was a good plan until our chickens decided to be lazy and stopped giving us eggs about three months ago. So we don't have chickens right now, but we will have chickens again in the springtime. Awesome. Yeah, we started with eggs and we've moved on to, we tried the, with the kids,

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corn scrosses for 4H. We didn't really like their breed just because they're kind of gross and we decided we'd go with more heritage breeds. Breeds that haven't been bred to be more meaty and bigger and produce meat in mass quantities is what our... where we want we want the more natural, the less

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the less engineered, yes. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I don't blame you. This is our first year going and, um, uh, growing out our own chickens from eggs to harvest and we're working on it. And I think our results are turning out pretty well. Yeah. That was kind of like the goal. It was, it was egg chickens, but for meat too, like dual purpose. Yes. Yeah.

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Is it difficult for you to raise them from egg to eating? Is it difficult when you have to call them or are you okay with it? So the hardest times I've had with calling isn't really the ones that are for me. It's the mercy calls, you know, when you have a chick born with a defect and having to take care of that one and sometimes that's what gotten the most. But.

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Growing them out, knowing that they're going to be used for me and that they're going to be used for sustenance, it's never bothered me. It gives me a new appreciation for it. It doesn't bother me. It's like I know I'm a meat eater and I eat meat and it makes me feel, I don't want to say good, but it makes me feel better knowing that this animal that I'm eating has lived a full and good life.

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throughout its whole life and that its ending is going to be swift and fast and it's not going to suffer. And almost, I mean, I would say probably all the meat we buy in the store probably suffered. So when I look at it that way, and you know, and for me, it makes it a lot easier to do the ending because swift and fast and I know that, you know, that animal's life was for that purpose.

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Yeah, and I didn't ask that for you to feel like you had to defend your choice. It's just that there's so many people in the world who are like, I could never do that. And the thing is you never know what you can do until you do it. So I just, people don't quite understand if they haven't done this, that this is not murder. This is not a terrible thing that you're doing. This is actually a sustainable.

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normal practice that went on for years before we had farms that grew tons of animals and dispatched tons of animals. So totally. I hope I didn't come across that. That's been done on it too. That it's just, it's better this way. Yeah. I hope I didn't come across like I was asking you to defend yourself because I'm absolutely not. I am right on the same boat with you. No, I just felt like that that's part of my explanation of why it, you know, like it doesn't

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bother me because a lot of times people are shocked because we eat things that are cute like rabbits too. And that can be really touchy for people. They're like, how do you do that? How can you do that? But it's so much sustenance. And when we have a meal that's rabbit, we can feel the difference in the nutrition in our bodies almost. You get fuller faster. Yeah, and rabbit is really tasty. Yes, it is. It's very tasty.

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Yeah, if you cook it right, it's fantastic. I kind of love rabbit. Um, okay. So I've got a couple of questions for you that have nothing to do with, with chickens or rabbits. Um, you have an Airbnb that you, that you do. Is that right? It's a camp. Oh, it's like Airbnb, but it's a camp. It's like, we, we go through hip camp and, um, hip camp is like, um, it's basically like Airbnb, but just for camping stuff.

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So we just do tent campers, but we have we have 20 acres and we have a lot of interesting buildings and stuff on our property and it just felt like It would be a good way to make a little bit of money on the side to help fund the homestead As well as give a sense of community to the property as well Give back. Yeah, we like to share we want to share. It's really magical here

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Yeah, and you guys are in Ohio. So do you do you do that during the winter too? Or do you shut down that part for the winter? We've left it open in the winter last year was our first year. And we did have a couple campers that came in the winter. And they did a really good job of doing their thing. And they had a great time this year, though we had that we recently had this really bad snowstorm and we're under feet of snow. So we did shut down for a couple months just so that we can figure out where

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what's even going on because we haven't even been to the back end of our property because of the depth of the snow and the storms. Wow. I didn't realize you guys got that much snow in your area. Yeah. Yeah. They, what was it? The governor declared it a state of emergency or something. We went under level three. Do not leave your house. Yeah. We weren't allowed on the roads. Roads are still pretty rough, but they're scooping them. Huh.

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Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. Winter hit with a vengeance for you guys. This is our second year here for winter and this is so far the worst so far, with snowfall. Yeah, yeah, definitely. We were not as prepared. We were told that we were gonna get between one to one and a half feet of snow and we were like, okay, we can handle that for a few days, but we ended up getting three feet of snow and trying to unbury things that we didn't know we needed at the time.

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It's become interesting. Yeah, that's one word for it. Interesting. Okay, so when people come to stay with you and it's not three feet of snow on the ground, do they get to help out on the farm or do they get to see what you guys do or how does it work? We would love that. We're open to like lots of different things like that. We've had people that want to see the animals.

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and we've had them and we had one. I have an option for photography because I'm also a photographer to add to our package. So if they wanted to have like their picture taken while they're here. So we did have a couple that did a little photo shoot. We did a photo shoot with them. We offer eggs for them to purchase if they wanna have from fresh eggs from our homestead.

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We, it's, hip camp is really open to like your own interpretation. It's kind of cool. You can kind of do what, what you want and charge for with what you want. Like some people charge for boat rental, but we have a couple of kayaks in a boat and we just let them use them, you know, like we don't charge for things like that. But then like, um, I have like, just. We're, uh, we're still figuring it all out too, because we really don't know what.

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exactly people want. It seems like most of the people really like to just come and be there in the back alone by themselves and they have the best time ever and then they leave and we don't even see them sometimes. We have a beautiful forest back there. It's definitely older and it's gives them plenty of privacy as they need it. Very nice. Is is hip camp

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a business like Airbnb is or what? I've never heard of it. Yeah, it is. It's kind of like Airbnb. We use them and so we don't have, you know, like we're insured through hip camp for the campers that come to our property. We're insured like similar to what Airbnb does, but it's for landowners.

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Most of the, some of them are even landowners where people don't live on the land and they, they do hip camp it out. Huh. I'd never heard of this. This is very cool. We, it's pretty fun. You should look it up. There's probably some around you that you don't even know about. I bet there are. I'm in Minnesota. I would bet my ass. There's probably some here. We have a cute little old like teardrop, not teardrop, but bigger than a teardrop trailer.

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that our kids use when they come to visit in the summertime, they sleep out there and it's in pretty good shape. I bet we could do a hip camp at our place with that trailer. I bet that would be really fun. You probably totally could. Yeah. It's fun. Like I'm one of the ones that's near us that they offer baked breads to their campers, which is kind of cool because they're like a bakery. We don't do that because we're not really doing the bakery stuff, but I think that's so fun.

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And there's lots of different kinds of hip camps. It's very interesting. And there are some where they do like, you can do a cabin or a building or a camper or something like that, like glamping type stuff too. It's not just tent camping. And we do have sometimes we have, I think some of the funnest visitors we've had are ones that were just driving through and they needed a place to stay for the night. We get that too with hip camps.

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Nice. So you meet all kinds of different people. Oh yeah, yeah. We've had some really fun and we haven't, I mean we've, we haven't had a ton of visitors but we've had enough that I can say we've had a lot of fun interesting mix of visitors and most of them have been really pleasant too. I would say we've only had like one or two that weren't too great but our backyard's kind of creepy and I think they got a little creeped out.

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Okay. All right. So my next question is you have a son named Max, is that right? Yes, we do. And he does videos on YouTube? Yes, Max does. And Max actually said, can I talk to you? So if you ever want to talk to Max, Max would talk to you as well. He loves the homesteading life. Like he's super, super into it.

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I would love to talk to Max sometime, maybe in January we can figure out a time to do that. That would be fun. How old is Max? You would enjoy it. Max is till he'll be 13 in January. We have other kids too and they're there, but Max is super into it. Super into it. Yeah. I will have to, I will have to have you and Max talk to me and we'll schedule a time and Max and I can have a chat. I've never talked to a kid as the interviewee.

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on my podcast yet. If you're okay with that, that would be really fun. I am so okay with it. And you will love talking to Max because he loves to talk about it to everyone that he can. And he loves to brag about his, you know, 4-H turkeys and everything that he's got going on. He's the vice president of a 4-H club and he's super proud of that. And he'll really enjoy talking to you.

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I am so excited. Please talk to Max tomorrow and ask him if he would be kind enough to chat with me in January and we'll set up a date. I think that would be so freaking fun. That was good. Okay. So, my next question is how did you guys get into this?

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Well, we started with that first round of chickens and we were living in, we had three acres and we figured we had plenty of room to do what we were doing. And we were on the edge of an HOA and part of an HOA that shared a lake. And when we bought the house, there was a little tiny itty bitty chicken coop next to it and the realtor told us to get chickens and we asked the HOA for their.

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list of rules and they never provided them to us before buying the house or after buying the house. But a couple years in we had put up a garage and I guess it wasn't allowed to face the road and be seen from the road. And so they sent us a letter and in that letter they mentioned our chickens. So I was kind of like, I don't know what should we do? And we both kind of thought maybe we should.

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At the time, the market in that area for housing was really good. And we thought maybe we could sell our house and get more land. Uh huh. Yeah, that's what we did. We did a crazy choice. We're just going to leave it all. Because you know what? It's not worth fighting the HOA all the time. And, and we were like, we're going to build up higher than this than what we already have and we're not going to stop. Yeah. And then when we came here, they took us to see the property. Like we came here and it was the son of the.

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the parents that had owned the property, one of the sons, and he met us out front and took us out back to see the property, not the house, the property first. And we were kind of like ready for it, you know, like we didn't even need to see the house. We're like, we can live here. It's all good. Because we just fell in love with it. And we had to sell our house within a week to make the deal. Oh. And then we had like two days to move.

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Yeah, it was insane. Wow. It was an insane week. That's a lot. Yeah. That's a lot. Not leaving the house to let showings happen and not knowing where we're going to be. And it was a very long, a few weeks that we were moving and getting things situated and chaos involved in that and unpacking. And you know what? I still want to try to, you know, even if they would have allowed us to do what we did, it was a lot.

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it wouldn't have been enough for us. We get a sense of fulfillment doing what we're doing and I would have wanted to stop them. We knew we wanted to go further than chickens. And when they said something about the chickens, we couldn't, we just, we knew it was, you know, if we could do it, if we could make it work, we should and we did. And now we're like, no, working on it all the time. Oh yeah, we just had to put a fence up to block the doors for the garage before we moved out as well.

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Yeah, so you couldn't see it from a road. So we had like two weeks notice to put up a fence and get all these things in line and it was chaotic. Uh huh. Yeah, we had a fence in Soho before we could move too. I forgot about that. Yeah, that was really cool. That was insane. Yeah, the HOA was going to put a lean on our house so that we couldn't sell it if we didn't put up a fence. Huh. And the fence is four feet tall.

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because there was a hill in front of the garage and you could only see the very top of the garage anyways from the road. So the fence only needed to be four feet tall so that you couldn't see the top of the garage. And 140 foot wide. So it's much bigger than a 8 by 10 garage door. I'm like, I don't understand it. But if this makes you happy and I have in writing, we'll do it. I don't really care as long as we can move on. Right and get out. Uh huh.

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Yeah, we told us the HOA was just to take care of the lake that was connected to the property. So we believed them Okay, two things you were like no clucking way am I giving up my chickens and number two HOA's are ridiculous. I I have never lived anywhere where I had to deal with that, but my mother-in-law did and She was told that she could not have like a raised bed

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outside of her little home. She could have patio bucket tomatoes, you know, because you can move those, but she couldn't put in a small raised bed because once you put in a small raised bed, that's where it stays. And she was very frustrated with that. And that's not the same as being told that you can't have your garage so that it can be seen from the street.

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We can't move the garage if you wanted to, to make it face the other way. Because there's not enough width of land. If we could make it at a like 90 degree angle, we could just angle it a little. It's already a pre-hab metal building that was huge. It's like a four car garage. Yeah. I don't, I do not understand. Like I get that there need to be rules and regulations for some things, but sometimes I feel like HOAs just like find the most ridiculous nitpicky things.

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to be like, no, you can't have that, or no, you have to do it a certain way. And I'm like, what are they talking about? Across the road from that house was a giant field of the protected farmland. And in the back of that field, while we lived there, somebody put up a garage with four doors. So it's not like even we were in an area where there wasn't garages facing the road. And it was a septic transfer site behind that.

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Oh my god. It was ridiculous. And we had three acres. So, you know, it wasn't like a typical cookie cutter, H.O.A. It was. It was old farmland that was not being allowed to be used as farmland anymore. My boys would say they were redonkulous. Totally. Geez.

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Well, I'm glad that you got out from under that situation because you never would have been happy there. And you sound like you're really happy where you are. Yeah, we both were living in separate houses in separate cities when we bought the house with the HOA. We wanted to get a place between so that we could live together. So that was the solution. And it seemed like a really good one at the time because it was a good one.

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We didn't, you know, we were told that the HOA is just to take care of the lake. And like, I'm like all about conservation. So that sounded great. And yeah, we lived there for like two years and didn't have any problem until we started getting chickens and putting up a garage. We just had rabbits too there. Yeah, we did have rabbits there. They didn't know about that. Okay. Well, the rabbits were on the down low, so that's good.

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It's really interesting because back in the old days, hang on one second, back in the old days, people were all about community. You know, you knew your neighbors and your towns were small and everybody knew each other and they all helped each other out. And yes, there were disagreements between neighbors, but that happens. And then we got away from that and we spread out away from people.

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And now if you're going to be back to that sense of community with your neighbors close, it usually is too close or it's an HOA situation. And we do things like move away from towns outside of town to where our neighbors are like half a mile away so that we're not stuck in all those rules and regulations. And it's so backwards to me that if you want to be close with your neighbors and feel like you're part of a community.

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You have to abide by all these rules. It's just, it's so dumb to me. I don't know what happened. Well, the awesome thing is when we were moving day one, pretty much when we were moving our next door neighbor of our new, new place that we were living now, he came up to me and asked me, Hey, if there's anything you need, you can, if you need my trailer, you can have my trailer for now. Like anything you need, we'll help you out. We don't know him. We didn't know him before. And he was just a nice character. He's like,

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You need to borrow my truck. You can borrow my truck. He's just a nice older man. And, and you know what? We ended up needing his trailer. I'm like, I'm like, I wasn't sure how we're going to get our chicken coop over because we were just renting a big box truck and I'm like, I don't know how we're going to get this giant. So I have it on sleds type and it's eight foot by eight foot on the base. And then it's about 10 foot tall. And I'm like, I don't know how we're going to move it. I'm like, it's.

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It was kind of wet in the backyard and stuff. I don't know how we're moving. And then he comes up to me and says, if you need anything, let's let me know. I was like, you know, I'll take that trailer for a day because I need to move a big old chicken coop. So we hooked me and a coworker of mine. We hooked it up to the trailer and we're taking this big giant chicken coop. All the way about an hour away from where we.

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we're living to our new house. From Cleveland to the North East corner of Ohio. Getting all kinds of looks because we're going down the side streets, not on the highway as much as we could, you know. And all kinds of looks. It was awesome, you know. Well, that's great that he was willing to help. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we have we've we've found a lot more community in the like you said, out here where there's less your neighbors aren't as close. But at the same time,

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It's been very interesting to see the different communities that we've lived in, because we've lived in so many different places. I lived in the area that we both graduated from, and he had lived in the city up in Cleveland. Then we moved to a more rural area, but then we still had the HOA in that rural area. That area is a completely different area from any of the other areas we've ever lived in.

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And where we live now is another whole, another world. It's really, really cool to see like, but at the same time, you're right. We're missing community in a lot of spaces. And it's hard because there's, there's definitely a divide in the country with people in general, and it's scary sometimes to see it. It really is. And I think the other thing that caused.

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people to, I don't know how to say this right, back in the old days you had the one room school house and kids walked like a mile to two miles to school or they had a buckboard and they had horses and they got rides to school. And then it ended up that we became these communities where kids went to a big school district and they rode school buses and your community was the parents of the kids that your kids went to school with.

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That's great while you have kids in school, but like I'm 55, my kids are grown. And so the friends that I make are friends that I meet out in the world. They're people I meet not with that immediate tie in to my kids with friends. And so making friends is hard. And every time I talk with a new person for the podcast, I'm like, I feel like I made a new friend today. That was great. And like,

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I'm never probably going to meet you guys, but I get my social stuff met with my podcast because I don't really go hang out with people very often. But when my kids were young, it really helped knowing my neighbors and having friends because you can't raise kids without other people in your life or you will go insane. That is so true. It's so true. So schools really help.

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Yeah, the schools, the schools help. Um, I've noticed like in our area, there's, there's a lot, we're really, really fortunate we haven't taken advantage of any of it yet, but there's a lot of art opportunities that I think would be good for kids too, and adults. There's a lot of, but yeah, it's hard. Cause I mean, I have a hard time making friends too. Cause I don't want to leave. I like being at home. Yep. It's not here. And I have all my stuff I need.

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Uh-huh. Yeah. And I have a smidge of social anxiety. So I really like where I live. I really like having people I trust come over and have coffee or a snack and hang out and talk. I don't love going out and meeting a bunch of strange people. It's not my favorite thing to do. That's one thing with hip camp that's been kind of cool too. We seem to get a lot of people that are nice. They're usually pretty pleasant. They have the same mindset. They are

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They care about the earth, you know, they leave no trace. And that's really, I can really appreciate people like that. We just, it's nice that we have the internet to make community because if it wasn't for the internet community, I'm not sure what we would have fully because that's where you can find all the information. That's where we've learned everything pretty much. You know, we obsessively research all the things that we need to know on the internet. We sure do.

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I love that you said leave no trace because I always translate that into my in my head to leave it better than you found it. And I like leave it better than you found it better than leave no trace because leaving no trace is easy but leaving it better than you found it requires something of you, you know? Mm hmm. Yeah, we're trying to figure out a way to make more community too of our hip camp. We're hopeful.

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We're slowly building, like, we would like to do like an online group, hopefully eventually where people might want to join so that they could possibly talk about their experiences here and if they wanted to add to things that or do things here, we would be okay with having help, you know, like, or having their creative whatever that they want to add.

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here. Like there's so many people that have come and had ideas and the like why no one took like a bunch of like sticks and made like a nice little area for their tent. And they were super proud of it. And it was really cool. And I was like, that's so awesome. We'd love to have more people that just want to leave it better like that, you know? Yeah. Yep. I think that's great. So what's the plan for the future in general? I mean,

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Right. We also have ducks, geese, and rabbits. Yeah. And are you are you growing gardens and stuff too? We are working on setting up the garden, the area where they used to have the garden before we even moved in. So it's been overgrown. We were trying to start it naturally where we didn't have, you know, anything to put down like any plastics or and stuff like that. But the land is really seeded there

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It has been difficult. So this winter or this fall, we've planted some winter rye to hopefully choke out anything that's in the land for now. And then next planting season, we'll probably be covering it to hope that we can get rid of the rest of the stuff within a year or two and hope to eventually get to that point where we can naturally grow our food.

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in the earth there without having anything added to it. We had a wonderful garden in our old house and we plan to have a wonderful one here eventually. We just have to amend the soil enough to the point where it can really flourish the way that we need it to. But we live now in this wonderful zone where it's very moist and I have inoculated logs with mushrooms and we have a wine cap bed full of that grows wine mushrooms.

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I've taken photos of so many mushrooms, I've lost track of how many and I obsessively research mushrooms almost daily. So we've got, you know, even our garden isn't growing like it used to with tomatoes and cucumbers, but we do have things growing in other ways. Fantastic. You have everything open to you at this point, because I get it.

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trying to grow stuff in a garden plot that hasn't had anything grown on it in forever, it's gonna take you a while to get the soil to where you want it to be. But you will be able to grow a really nice garden in a couple of years. So you will have animals, you will have produce, you will have the hip camp thing. You've got a little boy who's very into doing videos of all the homesteading stuff and you have other kids who are probably doing wonderful things too or will be as they get older. You guys are just set!

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for like miraculous fun times ahead. Right, I mean, you know, it's, yeah, it is. It's really fun. And we're hopeful that we can get things to go along. I mean, you know, we'll see. Like we've had some setbacks here and there that they're discouraging, but at the same time, they're usually a little bit empowering. Like, well, we can make it work even better if we just work, try a little harder, you know?

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Yeah, how could we make it better? And our top thing that we're trying to do is make everything sustainable. So chickens, they're going to make their own chickens, the pigs, they're going to make their own pigs. We don't want to have to continuously bring in more animals. We want to grow them out on our farm or homestead. Right. Like born here and bred here. And very nice.

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We really hope to be able to finish in here. We'd like to offer meat to people eventually. There's a lot of red tape with that. So we're not sure about how that's going to go about if we, you know, we have access because we're, if our pig has a lot of piglets, we're going to have to figure out where the rest of that meat's going because it might be more meat than we could handle. Bet it'll be easier than HOA rules. Right? Never getting the government systems.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm sure I'm not super worried with the larger animals. It's all just red tape with you know Taking to a proper butcher and do we don't take them off our property. We really want them to have their full life here That's why we struggle with that. Yeah, it's the struggle between What we feel is right versus what you know What we're allowed to do. Yeah in some states they allow you to to start the process on the property and then they take the carcass and

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you know, and they put it like in a cooler van and take it to the butcher shop. I don't think they do that here. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's how it is in Minnesota too. I'm not positive. Do not quote me. Um, I'm not, I'm not in the butcher business so I don't know, but yes, definitely do your research and do it right. And that way, that way you don't get hand slapped or at worst shut down because that would be terrible.

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We do it ourselves if we have to. Yeah, we can be a small animal producer with a little bit of red tape without having to take things places, but anything other than that, it's just a lot of navigation with the government. Yes, and funding. We've got to fund ourselves. Yes, and on that note, have you guys looked into grants? Because grants are a wonderful thing too.

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We had someone come out here from Ash Jabila's Soil and Water District. They have a free program with most of the, like I think with most local governments, there's like a free program that's offered by the government to help you out with determining how to handle your property and stuff like that. But she offered us a lot of good help. She talked about

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a few grants that we might qualify for like, with the USDA, there's like some type of forest pasture raised program that we have to look in that we can look into and rotational grazing and stuff. And other than that, like a forestry program, if we wanted to set up a program with the forestry divisions.

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to harvest our trees every so many years, which I don't, we're not really entertaining that idea, but it can lead to tax write-offs and stuff like that for your property. We're just learning about everything really. We're trying and no, we haven't had any grants, but we're, I know there's a few different ones out there that, and we're finding, we're finding what we can. You hear anything about any of them, let us know.

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I absolutely will because it's really important for people who are just starting out because this lifestyle costs money. Who knew? It's not just you just buy a piece of property and go crazy because you can't. You don't have the funds to do it unless you start out rich and not very many people start out rich and then buy property. It's not how that works. So the grants can come in really handy.

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There are also loans that you can get that are lower interest rate things because you're homesteaders. And I don't know if Ohio has them, but Minnesota has them. And I don't want to take out any loans, so I'm not looking into that, but it's another option for people. So anyway, we've been talking for 37 minutes, you guys. I'm excited that you spent that time with me tonight on a Friday night.

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And I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thank you. And thank you for documenting homesteaders. It's really a cool thing you're doing. I am trying. I am trying so hard. You keep us going. Yes, exactly. Your own little community. And it's awesome. It's so cool. Thank you. Thanks. You too. And thanks for having us. All right. Bye.