The Homemade Mess

Today I'm talking with Jessica at The Homemade Mess.

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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Jessica at the Homemade Mess in South Dakota. Good morning, Jessica. How are you? Good morning. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad you had time. Hi. It's really hard this time of year starting in September. Harvest season has begun and then the holidays hit.  And I'm like, okay, who's going to be available to talk to me?  Yes.

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30 minutes isn't a hard time to carve out of the day. Well, it is and it isn't. It just depends. It depends on what people have going on and what time they have available. And things come up and they can't make it. And I'm just like, ah-ha! And it's not 10 o'clock at night? Yeah, I don't do... I try really hard not to record past 6 o'clock at night because I am not on my game at past 6 o'clock at night. Yes. That seems to be the only me time is after 10 o'clock.

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Nothing else is there. Well, that's because you're a mom and you're a home sweater and you're busy and you're a teacher. Yes, I am. OK, so tell me a little bit about yourself and what you do. So I am I live in central South Dakota and I grew up in North Dakota. I did have did grow up on a ranch. And so when I married my husband, I always had these big dreams. I was going to I was going to marry a rodeo guy. Right. And then I fell in love with a fisherman.

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So  we,  love him to death and we, um, he really isn't into the homesteading, the animals, the, he's a fishing and hunting guy and that's, that's what he does. And so, um, we moved, he's not my husband's alignment. And so we moved to a really small town.  Um, there was no Walmart. So I said, we're not moving there. We compromised and we moved there.  And so,  um,

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We, I really didn't have land.  I do have some horses and I do barrel race as well. And so I didn't have land. And then up until probably a year ago, a little over a year ago, uh we found like our dream place and it was like, God willing it happened and it worked out. And so we really are like living out our dream now.  I do also teach.  I teach in a very small town. have 11 kids in my class.  And then I'm a full time or full time teacher.  I'm a mom. And then from after that, after

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whatever time I have left is when I do my social media business. um I actually started it in late  June of 2025, so like not very many months ago. um And I kind of blew up, um which is I'm very grateful, but um I don't really know what I'm doing on social media quite yet, which might, the half a million followers might seem  like I do, but I'm just living on a prayer and winging it over here. But um we live day by day. We don't really know.

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I don't really know what I'm doing in life yet, so here we are.  You are in one of the most wonderful and most frustrating spots of life right now because  winging it is really fun, but it can also be really scary. Yes. Yes.  Especially being like, nobody prepares you for motherhood. You could Google all you want, but then you become a mom and you have no idea what you're doing. So I'm like trying to figure that out.

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trying to figure out my social media business and trying to be a good mom and be a good wife and take care of all the hundred thousand animals I decided to accumulate and it's busy. Yeah, just just be a good human and everything else will fall into place. Yeah. Okay. I have a couple questions regarding your your answer to my first question. um How many kids do you have? Just have the one. I just have the one. Yep. He's 18 months.  Oh my that is a very busy busy time. Yes,  very busy.

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And then did you teach at a bigger school before you moved? I did, yes. I taught in a very large school district. I taught in a school district that had 12 just elementary schools. So it was about 20 to 30,000 people in elementary. So I taught in a very large district. And then I came down here and I had nine kids last year. I didn't know what to do with my time.

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So how many kids were in the class size before this new place? About 30. Oh, wow. So this is a huge change for you. Yes. Yeah. also, before that, I taught in really big district. And then I taught  over on um like a um meeting reservation school. And then I taught where I'm at now. So  there was a little bit of steps taken before I got to where I'm at now.

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Yeah, very large class sizes. Do you enjoy the smaller class size more because you can give the kids more attention one on one? Yeah, I do.  It comes with its challenges as well, though.  The small school district also comes with a school, so it comes with a small community.  The small community was hard for me to adjust to. OK. All right, that makes sense.

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Okay, so your place is called the Homemade Map. Yes. So why did you call it that? I feel like that really encompasses what I do. we are, I really encompass the reality of that life is messy. I also want to normalize the fact that like not everything is Instagram perfect, especially like the homestead we live on. My kitchen is really my main recording place and my kitchen has become a large.

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profile of who I am  as our social media presence.  But it really encompasses the fact that life is chaotic, life is a mess and it's okay.  And it's normal. um Just embrace that mess and really  soak it in because that mess doesn't last forever.  And one day you're gonna miss that mess.  Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh my goodness, you just hit a button, I'm sorry. um

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I'm 56. I've raised four kids. Oh gosh, I love that.  And uh they're all grown and  it's great.  I swear to you, I love the stage of my life.  do. Yeah. But I miss my kids, you know? Yeah.  I swear to God, every time I think I'm going to get through a podcast without tearing up, I can't. So  it's okay. ah

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The other upshot is that once your kids are adults and hopefully you've raised them the way that you hoped you would. A hundred percent. And all move out and they're good human beings and they're doing their thing. Your stress level comes down immensely. I bet. I can't imagine. Today we, I had to get my kid out of the vent of the house because he was stuck and I thought he was going to fall to the basement. Oh my. like, Oh my God. I was like, what? When does this end?

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Um, the sweet spot is when they're about eight or nine years old. Oh good. I look forward to that. Because I don't want to rush life. I really don't. I really, I really like where I'm at now.  Um, but nobody prepared you for that part of life.  Oh no, there's no, there's no owner's manual as it were for kids. No, but as far as social media, that is something that I feel like is really not normalized.

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Um, especially as a new mom, like when I was feeding in the middle of the night, what was I doing scrolling social media?  And I feel like when I was, when I was doing that, I was, I really felt degraded on myself.  Um, cause I didn't have, I didn't have number one, I don't have family around. So I didn't have a village, right?  Um, and it wasn't even about the village because really our village has changed over the years. mean, I can get Amazon prime in two days now where we couldn't before. So like, I do consider that part of my village. Um,

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But I didn't have I don't have family around here. So like, when I was scrolling social media, I felt like there was really nobody out nobody out there that  or that I had found they are out there.  But that really normalized like the mess in not only like my kitchen, but in like life, but also in like homesteading, you know, like  I really um that's one thing that I really wanted to encompass and I couldn't really find that and I wanted something

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to give me answers. And that's kind why I created it.  All of my recipes and all my platform is completely free  because I do think that that is really important for moms  and not everyone is um in that financial space where they can afford healthier alternatives. um So that was something that I wanted when I was scrolling. When I was scrolling, I wanted someone to give me the answers right then. I wanted someone to read that it was going to be okay. You made the thing that you needed. Yes. Good.

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Good job. That's what we all should be doing. That's why I started the podcast because I needed  a place to talk to people who were doing things like I was doing. So same premise. Yes, I love that. Yeah.  And, and I'm just going to reiterate life is messy. I mean, I  came down with some upper respiratory thing back the first week of October and I am finally over it. took like six weeks to start feeling human again.  Oh gosh. I feel that.  I feel like that's our house on rotate.

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Yeah. And my downstairs right now is not very nice.  It's a mess. There's stuff everywhere. Yeah. But that mess is temporary. Yeah, exactly. And sometimes life takes the front seat. Well, being able to function, being able to get the dishes done and laundry handled when you're sick is enough  for at least that first couple of weeks when you don't feel good. um But the other thing about life being messy is that you can spend three days getting your entire

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kitchen and living room,  cleaned up, organized and spotless. And within two days, it's going to look half as nice as it did the day you were done. Two days? I wish mine would last two days. Well, you have a little one. So  you get some slack on that.  You just you cannot make your house a museum. It has to be lived in. Yes. So, OK, tell me about your homesteading stuff.  What do you do that classifies as homesteading?

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So  my main platform  is in my kitchen.  number one, my platform is I do 100 % think that everyone should have um the knowledge of learning how to can and preserve food. I think that that is a skill that is really dying. And I think that everyone should have access to that and for free. Bravo.  Whether you need it now, but I think you should know how to do that.  And so like a really big part of my platform in my homesteading community is learning how to can and preserve your own food. And that's

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um not only for my garden, but it's also supporting local people. So  I feel like a lot of people sometimes think that they can't homestead because they live in an apartment. And that is like so far from the truth. You can homestead in a studio if you want to.  It's all about learning how to  really just be self-sufficient. And  that all starts in your kitchen. um don't need cows in your pasture. You don't need goats. You don't need chickens.

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you don't need a chandelier in your chicken coop with wallpaper like that's so far that's so far fetched and we really and that's fine if you want that I'm not at all hating on people that do that like I love that and I really would want to be that but that's just not reality  and so like I feel like that is a really big  homesteading space right now and so I like really wanted to bring that back  and and just let that let homesteading be part of everybody's life.

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And you can do it from anywhere. And so a really big part of my homesteading space is canning and preserving your own food and dry mixes. I have a really big space in dry mixes as well. Like transferring your homemade dry or store bought dry mixes to homemade. Number one, it's cheaper. You can do that. So if you are not in a space to be able to afford store bought mixes, then not only you can do it frugally, but you can do it with less ingredients and a healthier alternative.

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um But outside my kitchen, I do have lots of animals. um Some that I have accumulated over the years. uh I have like chickens for, and my husband's rule, I have to preface this. My husband's rule is that I cannot have any animal unless it serves a purpose.  And so if it was up to me, I would have everything. um But he really humbles me. um But we have chickens, um obviously for eggs. We tried meat birds one time. ah

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one and only time I will support local ranchers before I do that again. um But I have we have goats as well. We have geese,  we have horses,  we have cat well, we don't have to herd of cows, but we raise them for our own consumption.  But that's really the extent of our animals that we have here.  We have a few like random birds. um We'll just chop those up is like I have them for my mental health. But but that's really the extent of

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our homesteading here as far as animals.  I do have a garden, it's about an acre garden.  And that is an absolute jungle after the first month.  But it still produces. So,  but that's the extent of my homesteading.  Most of my homesteading space is canning and preserving inside my kitchen. Okay, cool. That's awesome. And I agree 100%. I think that every freaking person on the planet

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who has the means and the ways to learn to cook should. And I say it on the podcast all the time. If you want to save yourself money,  learn to cook. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. And it's not like I get, I get comments all the time on my platform  asking like, I would really like to start, but it costs a lot of money.  And sometimes I think that a lot of different platforms,

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Like it really doesn't cost a lot of money to start. You don't use what you already have. And that's a really big thing that I say on my platform all the time. We are absolutely  not an aesthetically pleasing homestead. We use what we have.  So,  um, and that's one thing that like, it doesn't have to be,  it's only expensive as you make it. You know, I think that people really should use Facebook marketplace a lot or thrift stores or goodwill. Um, like they have a lot of really good things there and it doesn't have to cost a lot.  I found my first set of matched dishes.

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you know, plates  and coffee mugs and  salad bowls  at  Goodwill. And they are Faultscraf. They are like a, you know how mallard ducks have that greeny blue color on them? Yes.  They're that color. I love them.  I broke at least a quarter of them in the five years that we use them consistently because dishes break.  Yeah. And now when I'm feeling nostalgic for when I finally decided I needed matching dishes,

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I will pull out some of those plates and use them, but I don't use them as often as I did because I lost a quarter of the setting that I had.  And I finally bought restaurant style white plates, bowls  and mugs because I was sick of dishes breaking. And if you want dishes that don't break,  get restaurant style dishes because they're meant to take a beating. I've actually never thought of that. Yep. gave up. genius.

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I gave up because I really love Faults Graph. I think they make some beautiful dishware, but they're stoneware. And if you hit them just right, they break. They break right in half. And we've had this restaurant style set for over a year. And I think we've broken one plate and one mug out of a setting of 12. I love that. That's a genius idea. Yeah. Cause I was just like, I'm so tired of buying pretty dishes and they-

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break and then I'm out, you know, a dish that I need.  So there are lots of ways to do it. And  I'm actually glad that you're very kitchen focused and cooking focused  because just before I got sick, I had 6,000 words written  for a, basically a book on how to kit out your kitchen and what needs to be in your fridge and your pantry and things like that.  And I am just now getting my brain back to where I can sit down and edit it.

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and I'm hoping to have it up on Amazon as a Kindle ebook. Yeah. By the first of the year, wish me luck. And I wish you the best of luck because that is something that is definitely, I think needed in that stage of life. Yeah. And it's so funny. I keep talking about this on the podcast and with friends that it used to be that your great grandma, your grandma and your mom would teach you these things. And

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moms are not teaching their kids this anymore. I did. I taught my kids how to cook and how to get out of kitchen because  it's important to me, but it's not as common as it was.  did not have that. I am completely self-taught. Okay. I taught myself how to can and preserve food right out of high school  because I started reading ingredient labels  and doing a lot of research. And I was also going to school to be a health and fitness coach at the time. Oh. And so I

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I started reading ingredient labels and at first I didn't until  I started going to school and doing my research, I actually really didn't even know what a lot of these ingredients were. um I thought I grew up on these foods. I grew up on Pop Tarts for breakfast and no hate to my mom. She's probably going to listen to this podcast. So I like no hate to my mom. That's just what we did. um And so we had a lot of ramen noodles and we had a lot of canned soup and that's just what we had and that's what we ate. And so I didn't really know different. um

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once I, I shouldn't say I did no different. I did. I didn't know ingredients. I didn't care. And so once I started going to school and started to be doing a little bit of research, I started reading ingredient labels and I knew that if  I wanted to be the best Jessica I could be, um the first thing to change was my diet. um And so that's kind of what started there. um And then  I have like, I cannot let food go to waste. That's like my,  I can't do it.

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My brain will not let me do that. uh So I started canning  and then  I had  many fails before I  was successful at all. um But I didn't have that either. And that's something big on my platform too  is people come to me because they didn't have a mom or a grandma to teach them how to do these things.

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And so I really work on not over complicating it because I did I was in that stage of life too where I where I needed somebody to like literally grab my hand and teach me what to do because I Didn't know and I mean ten years ago YouTube was a thing of course, but it  wasn't as a big of a platform as it is now  and so  I needed somebody to  teach me and to walk me through it and and Do it with me and so that's kind of what I created my platform on was on to

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was that I want people to realize that it's really easy. It's not as over complicated as it seems. I am self-taught and trust me when I tell you if I can do it, you can do it. And the best part is you don't have to put pants or a bra on and leave the house. You just do it in your house. Yes, exactly. Jessica, do you mind if I ask how old you are? I am 28. I love that. There are so few people under 30 who are interested in doing what you're doing.

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I am.  I'm going to do this again. I've said I'm proud of people  all last week and the week before. I'm proud of you. You're doing a great thing. Thank you. I do think, though, that it is  it is coming back,  especially  with like I don't I am not going to get into politics, but especially with the um like um things that have been brought into light about what ingredients really are. Yeah. And  that that how  normal it is.

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And so I do think that canning and preserving, not even canning and preserving, which is making food from scratch, like my dry mixes, for example. um I sell, do sell,  all of my recipes are free on my page, but I sell um label kits for dry mixes that has over 35 dry mixes that you can exchange um store bought to homemade. And I think that that is like a first step into really becoming self-sufficient on yourself or really um getting to food freedom. I think that's really important. And I don't think...

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I don't think there's ever going to be a time where we can't depend on stores. Like we just live in  the  age where we will have to depend on stores. I'm confident of that.  But the less that you can get there and the more you can make at home,  you know what's in it. You don't have any of those, you know, emulsifiers in your food. Then that's a win in my book.  Okay. I have two things I want to share regarding what you just said.

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I learned how to make homemade mayonnaise uh a good eight years ago, maybe 10 years ago.  I don't do it very often. I should do it more often, but I'm the only one in the house who likes mayonnaise, so I'm not gonna make it every week because I don't use it every week.  And there is something incredibly magical about watching  something like that come together because it seems impossible.  And the first time I did it and I saw it,

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go from olive oil and  egg and whatever was in it  to  mayonnaise. I stood there with my mouth hanging open because it was literally nothing and then it was the thing I needed it to be. That is even small alternatives like that. I  have a lot of them on my page, but the  DMs or the comments on all of my platforms that are like, I had no idea you could make this like powdered sugar or brown sugar. Yeah. Like people don't

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And that's no fault of their own. Like they just don't know. It's  just lack of knowledge. So  once they know, well then you take that information and do with it what you will. But  it's  just knowledge and knowing that you can do it  on your own. can. And it's stuff you already probably have at home. And it's significantly cheaper. I mean, my platform is about doing it on a budget. It is significantly cheaper.  Maybe  not. You could probably get some really cheap mail.

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because olive oil is really expensive. But um brown sugar and um powdered sugar or tanning your leftovers, I mean, you could do that for pennies on the dollar, really. Yes, absolutely. And the other thing that I made, speaking of the dry mixes you're talking about, I made a homemade ranch dressing because I actually love ranch dressing. I  am very vanilla in my taste, Jessica. I don't like spicy.

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Me either. don't like bitter other than coffee. Freaking love coffee, but I can add sugar to that.  And I didn't want to keep buying ranch dressing at the grocery store because it has all kinds of preservatives in it. And I worked at this for  a whole summer trying to get a ranch dressing that I liked with actual real ingredients from scratch.  And I finally looked, I finally Google in, finally typed into Google, cannot talk this morning,  real ranch tasting.

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recipe and somebody had come up with one that used buttermilk either dry buttermilk  or or just buttermilk  and I use in mine to buttermilk powder. Yeah, and I tried it and it tasted exactly like the ranch dressing that I buy at the store and I was so excited.  Yeah, and and the dry buttermilk is so weird because if you put it in your coffee, it's it's it's basically like a creamer.  Oh, we don't drink coffee, but that's a good thing to know.

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So not only did I have uh the stuff to make a good ranch dressing, but if I was out of milk, I had something to lighten up my coffee. Yes, of course.  So that helped. But when it comes to talking about preserving food,  you certainly can can things  and you can freeze things and you can dry things and you can freeze dry things. Yep.  Am I missing any? um

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You could freeze dry, could dehydrate. Dehydrate, yes.  Yeah, you can can. um That's like the main ones I do.  can. um That's it. That's the main ones I do. Yeah.  On my page. Yeah. Because I do I actually don't have a lot of freeze dry. Well, I don't have a freezer currently right with me but  around my house. But um I also realized that that's not something that  a lot of people have.  that's expensive. And so

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um Most of my  content is about using, like I said, using what you have.  So most people have a freezer, a dehydrator,  and then my canning. Yeah, and I want to throw in here a dehydrator is not that expensive to acquire. You can get them at thrift stores for very cheap. Yes. Or you can buy a new one for less than $50.  Yes.  Yes.  I will say that they're like with a dehydrator,

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If you're purchasing new,  you get what you pay for. um so especially if you're going to be using it in bulk, um using it often,  you get what you pay for when it comes to that. And that's really with anything, but um I got mine at a thrift store. All of mine have been from thrift stores. um and they work just fine too, but yeah. Yeah. And the other thing is, is if you don't have a dehydrator, if you have cookie sheets,

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You can dry things in the oven at the lowest setting that your oven will do and it doesn't have to be a gas stove. It can be an electric stove. Yep.  Same with canning.  You can can and preserve food and that's kind of,  there's multiple ways to do that. You can can and you can do oven canning or what they call dry canning. You can do pressure canning. You can do steam canning. You can do water bath canning.  It's really just what method.

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is easiest for you and what you are really knowledgeable about.  A lot of people throw out their botulism like they truly understand what it means. ah And so  just being aware of  number one, using what you have. You don't have to go out and purchase a pressure canner if you're not comfortable with that. But just using what you have and just understanding that even with canning, there's multiple ways to can.  So  we talk about dehydrating and freeze drying and freezing.

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Um, and canning and so even within canning, there's a lot of ways  to get the end result. Oh, absolutely. It just, the one thing I will say about food preservation is before you get into it, do your research.  Yeah,  especially. and  I mean,  I do like to think that I'm a really good resource for a lot of people, but a lot of people go to social media, including myself.

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A lot of people go to social media looking for support or answers to their questions. Like I said, I did it too. And I still do it. uh so like they,  TikTok is the new Google, right? TikTok is a new search engine. So uh I do it too.  But a lot of people, a lot of creators are, oh and vacuum sealing. I forgot that one.  Vacuum sealing as well. um But a lot of creators are really good at fear mongering.

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Um, and so a lot of people don't want, don't want it to can because like I said, they're afraid of botulism and a lot of creators are, are, are throw a word vomiting that, that word without truly educating people on what that is. And so that is, I feel like a wall that I run into on my platform is like retraining you that botulism is not something to be afraid of, rather it's something to understand. It's something to be knowledgeable about.

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Of course it's a real thing. I'm not going to disregard that. ah We know it is,  but you have to be knowledgeable about it.  I personally am a rebel canner.  I  100 % believe in that. aah But it's all  about education  instead of throwing out that word. People are scared of that.  And so that really turns a lot of people off of that.

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Yeah, and that's part of reason I'm saying do the research. Find someone who's been canning for 20 years and knows what they're doing and have them  quote unquote hold your hand through learning it. exactly. And don't just believe the first thing that you read, you know? And that's with anything really and not just canning. Like just do your research. Yeah. And I'm not  about, I'm just about informed. I want you to be informed before you make any decision,  no matter what that is.  And I want you to have real facts.

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Yeah, for sure. And the other thing is that this stuff takes time to do. Yes. I'm not saying it's going to take you a week to can some tomato sauce, but it's going to take you a good day.  Yep. And maybe two days, depending on how... you might fail. Yeah. And depending on how practiced you are. mean, when we did tomatoes  four years ago, it took us two days to get through it because we were hot and tired and we're like, let's do the rest tomorrow.

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When we did them last year, only took half a day. Yeah. So  it's all about learning. It's all about practicing and it's all about getting comfortable with the things that you are doing. Yes. And being okay to fail. Yeah. Like failing is really part of your learning process and I know it stinks. I know it does.  you learn from your mistakes, especially with canning. When you do spend two days getting, you know, making your tomato sauce and  you figure out that...

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you know, three or four jars didn't seal. Like, what do do with that now? And so just, just, just knowing that, that there's a possibility that you're going to fail and what are you going to do from that failure? And that's just not just in canning, but life, know,  definitely.  Um, I love that because we made our tomato sauce that we made two summers ago. Now  I don't love it. My husband and my son will eat it. I don't love it because they made it with different, a different variety of tomato. um

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And it's not as sweet and it also had to do with the growing conditions that year. And so I'm very excited. We're going to be canning tomato sauce over the new year weekend, I think this year. That's what we do too. We make it, we, we all put all of our tomatoes in a freezer and make it a winter problem. Yeah, that's what, that's what we did too. And, uh, I have eaten a few of the tomatoes that I know we're going to be making sauce out of and they were so good this year. Oh my God.

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So very excited for New Year's weekend to be working because we always work on holidays. We were always doing something that there just hasn't been time for. I love that. That's something that I wish that  I shouldn't say I wish something that I would like to have is to have like a community, local community that does that together. And  I live very rural. uh I live, I live two hours, three hours from like a Sam's club or a Walmart.  do live, there's a Walmart about an hour and a half away from me, but

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So I live very rural and there's not a lot of people around that do that. So that is one thing that I wish that I had was just a community here to do that.  Well, it'll just be my husband and I. We are the community on this project, but  at least we have each other to  keep ourselves entertained while we're cutting up tomatoes and smooshing tomatoes and juicing tomatoes. Yes.  All right, Jessica, I would love to have you back because I feel like there's a whole lot more that we could talk about. I would love that.

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Okay, awesome. Thank you. Where can people find you?  You can find me on all platforms. I am under the homemade mess on all platforms. I am on Lemonade, TikTok,  Facebook. I'm on threads, Instagram,  but I'm under the homemade mess on all platforms.  Good job, because I just talked to a lady the other day who has to consolidate all of her stuff in the new year.

32:25
And she was kind of poking fun at herself. And I don't think she realized that she was going to get as big as she did, as fast as she did. So I'm really glad you don't have to do that too. didn't.  well, I, so I started in late June.  Um, and  I've, I've built a community of half a million followers, have no idea what I'm doing on social media yet. there, um, with that came a lot of struggles. So I have,  I  think I have my, my ducks in a row. think there might be a few, um, off track, but.

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I did, I have prepared myself for the, I have learned from the struggles that I already had. So hopefully after the new year, I know with like after taxes and all that fun stuff, there'll be some changes that I have to make, but hopefully my ducks are at least going the right direction. Well, please keep doing what you're doing because you are doing a fabulous thing.

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Well, thank you. And I appreciate you  reaching out and I'm excited to get the homemade mess out there and really share our story.  Awesome. As always, people can find me at a tinyhomesteadpodcast.com.  And if you'd like to support the podcast, you can go to a tinyhomestead.com slash support.  Jessica,  I know it's Sunday. I wish I'd talked to you on Friday so I could say have a good weekend, but have a good week. You as well. Thank you so much for having me. Yep. Thanks. Bye. Bye.