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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters, and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Daniel at Valor and Harvest. Good afternoon, Daniel. How are you? Doing well. Thank you for having me.  Oh, absolutely. I live for you people to talk to me. This is what I...

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I spend my life doing lately, so thank you for being here.  So tell me about yourself. Well, actually first, tell me what the weather's like, where you are, where are you? So we are located  just north of Cincinnati, Ohio, behind Kings Island Amusement Park, if you're familiar with that.  Well, I'm not, but that's pretty cool. And what's the weather like there today? The weather is, we'll say mixed, so we have partly cloudy.

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and sunshine mix between the two. It's very windy out there, probably right above freezing.  Could be wrong. Ohio weather is very hit or miss this time of year. So  it was snowing last night. I think it's supposed to be  60 or something tomorrow. So it kind of gives you a  overview of what we have around here.  We're in that spring crazy weather pattern right now. Yeah. I'm in Minnesota, but I grew up in Maine.

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And my dad used to say, if you don't like the weather, wait a minute. And,  and Minnesota is like that too. And honestly, I think every state is like that.  So,  okay. So we've done the weather report from Ohio. Yeah. Ohio you said, and Minnesota this morning. tell me about yourself and what you guys do.  Yeah, absolutely. So we started Valor Plus Harvest back in October.  We are a bath and body company.

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We initially started with candles.  We have soap coming, also beard oils and other items.  So the very basics, that's what our company is.  We're a veteran owned small business. So I'm a Marine Corps veteran. I served in OIF 1 and 2, straight out of high school. What's unique about our company is first and foremost, our products are made with,  we try our hardest to get all locally sourced ingredients.

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and Made in America products. It's very hard, but that's what we're going for. And what's really interesting about our company in totality is the end of the day, we give back 10 % to veteran organizations. So I know you're not familiar with Cincinnati, Ohio, but we're very close to the  Disabled American Veterans Headquarters. That's our organization that we donated to last year. That's the  national headquarters for all disabled American veterans. you know,

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Not only do we create a good product and what we're striving for in our space,  we also like to give back and that's at very high level, that's our company.  Fan, I would use the F word, I-N, tastic, but I'm not going to do that because I don't do that on my podcast. My son was a, well, he says that once a Marine, always a Marine. So he's a Marine, but he hasn't been in service for a bit. He served for eight years actually.

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duty. Nice.  Thank you for his service.  Well, I don't know if I'm saying this right because I don't know a lot about how this works, but  he was  in the Marines for eight years. I don't know if active duty means like fighting with guns or it just means being in. Yeah,  same eight year contract for myself as well. So once a Marine, always a Marine. Still live by that motto, created really good work ethics and self-discipline. Yeah.

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I always joke that I started the process of growing him up and the Marines finished him. There you go. That's a very good way. I like that. Yeah. And he came back like a year after he  enlisted  to visit me specifically before the kids got home from school.  And we had a slightly rough parting of the ways  when he moved out  and he showed up at the door to the house that he grew up in.

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knocked and I was like you don't have to knock just come in to your house and sat down and first thing he said was I need you to listen and I need you not to say anything and I was like okay he said first off I'm sorry I said for what he said for being such a pain in your ass and I was like oh well that's that's okay I said I love you and he said I love you too and then we just kept talking

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It was the most beautiful moment of my life with that kid, swear to you. That's good. I'm glad you have that relationship. That's really important.  Yep. And I don't talk about it a lot because it's very,  it's very personal, but  I was scared to death that he would get killed when he enlisted.  And I, I'm not a praying girl, but I, I said a lot of messages to the universe saying, please keep them safe in that eight years.  And so.

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when he came out and he was okay. I was very grateful. Awesome. That's amazing. Yeah. Very tickled that he survived his eight year stint in a situation that could have gotten him maimed or killed. I was very happy to have him not in that situation anymore. So I don't want to keep talking about this. So you started this in October, you said? Correct. Yeah. October of 2024. So I mean, to give you some color about,

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background. I'm right around 20 years of in my career outside of the military. I have a bachelor's degree in finance, a master's degree in business. I've worked for some of the largest corporations,  global, national,  more so specifically in the financial services space. I spent some time in Washington, DC, working with the US Treasury. I do have a day job.  know, entrepreneurship is a big thing right now.

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And, you know, I think that I was steered like a lot of the early state millennials in my category. It was go to college or else.  And so I'm from that generation and I did comply with that. And it's not by any means a sense that I'm trying to bash college. I have a lot to show for my career, but there's something to be said about entrepreneurship and building your own brand.  And so that at its core foundation is also another

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very important part of Valor Plus Harvest and just everything that I'm going for. And it is a subset  of college. And I'll tell you,  we send our youth to college and we learn all of these great skills. And I feel that I've used  my more so my master's degree more in the last six months than I have over the last entire 15 plus years of my career.  it's been a really interesting process,  learning experience.

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You you're so used to going to a job interview and you know, they have a sentiment of the type candidate that they're looking for  And another thing that's so unique about entrepreneurship is there is no interview. It's you  You are the you are the CEO if you will  and so it's been very unique for me and it's a different road if you will  Now keep in mind, you know, it's very hard to replace a salary overnight,  but it's it's just something

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through this process that's been very, you know, it's all ownership, it's all you.  You have your support network and your friends and family, right, to your point of talking about your son. But what's really cool about this chapter and this company is it's just me, myself, my wife, and my family. And so that's what's been really neat for me  as a new entrepreneur over the last, we'll say, four or five months.  Yeah, have you had that moment of, oh my God, I did it, it worked?

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Yes, I will.  You know,  there's been a lot of milestones,  you know, classic Marine Corps  in me, just like your son, you know, we're trained to do  execute, get the job mission completed at all costs. Right.  And so usually at the end of the top of the hill, any type of mission objective or success milestones in the in the civilian career, you get this  sense of accomplishment. Right. And I'll never forget  right around.

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Actually, it was right on Halloween to be exact as I got my first order. And so I use  Shopify. I love Shopify for its integration.  It'll give an entrepreneur  get from A to B with very little startup costs. And I'll never forget that first feeling, that feeling that I had.  And it was so funny because the order, my first order was $52. And I said to myself, my goodness, this is the first time.

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in my entire life and I'm in my  early forties now that I ever just made money for myself,  for my own brand. And that feeling is something that I hope, you know, that, you know, no matter if there's other entrepreneurs that listen to this,  regardless of generation, I hope more people get to experience that because it is a sense of feeling of  self-pride. And, you know, you're taking all that school and all those things that society in America

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told you that you must do and you must have to  perform whatever job. And now you just kind of flipped out on its top and it's like, no, this is my route. And so it's been a  lot of fun so far this journey.  Yeah,  I do understand because  I have made things myself and sold them to people  and there was no middleman. It was just I made the thing, person bought the thing, I made money. It was amazing.

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But I have my first experience with me doing the job and getting paid for it back when I was 12.  my,  principal of my elementary school, if you can believe it,  wanted me to babysit her infant grandchild.  I was 12  and this was a baby, like maybe, maybe a month and a half old.  And she called my mom, she knew my mom. And she said, do you think that

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that Lynn, my nickname's Lynn, would want to babysit my grandbaby. And my mom was like, do you really think you want to have Lynn babysit your grandbaby? And my principal's name was Mrs. Mosley. I don't think she's with us anymore. I'm 55. I'm pretty sure she's not. And she said, well, yes, she's so responsible and she's so helpful and she's a good student, da da da. My mom said she's never babysat any kids except her younger sister and brother.

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Mrs. Mosley was like, all she has to do is come and be in the house for like four hours and the baby will be asleep. And if it cries, all she has to do is see if it's got a wet diaper and give it a bottle. I had never changed a diaper in my life. luckily this, this baby was perfect. Slept the whole time, never even cooed. And they came home and they paid me like $40. I was 12 years old.

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I was so excited. It started my babysitting career. Like I was never without pocket money from the time I was 12 until I graduated high school. Great. So I totally get what you're saying, but I was a lot younger than you are. So  it's really cool when something that you do, just you, gives you some form of satisfaction in that way. Yes. Yep.  So you said you're

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You have been doing candles, but you said soap is coming. Yes. Yeah. So another big important part is, you know,  the military connection. So both my wife and I travel a lot. We've been to a lot of countries  in our lifetime. And so,  you know, what's unique about our products is we try to make them with the least amount of gradients possible.  So I could go on a whole rabbit hole of what's in most of the candles that you get at the store.  So.

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Way too many things.  Way too many things. A  lot of,  you'd have to be a chemist to basically understand or maybe even pronounce in totality the word that's in there that makes the scent. So our candles are all Clean Scent certified.  We use organic products  sourced in America.

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But yes, we have soap coming, but it's the same song and dance from an ingredient standpoint. usually like to use an analogy for people of comparing it to a TV dinner instead of going to your local produce section in your local grocer. So our products would be from the produce section in comparison to the large cap companies that create TV dinners. If that gives you a good analogy of where we're going.

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We have soaps that are coming. They take six weeks to cure.  sure do. Yes, they do. We went through two months of trial.  We also have beard oil. So I have a couple of partnerships. have a very large selection of that.  There's already a couple on my store existing and a couple in the pipeline.  And then at the local level here, when we get doing some of our booths later this spring, we'll be selling locally.

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sourced honey. So it's not something that I'm going to have  ship nationally, but for my local booths, I will have that. So that kind of gives you the realm of my products, if you will, and where we're going. it's very, it's, you know, and back to the  travel piece that I mentioned. So last year we went to France  and I'll never forget the lotion that was in our hotel.

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And I looked at the ingredient, I'm like, my goodness, this smells so good. And I'm not usually big on hand lotion. I'm a guy, right? I'm considered a sitter. And I started saying, well, man, why does it smell so good? There's three ingredients on it. Right.  And so I started doing this compare and contrast. And so that was really last year was when I really started to see how a lot of products in this country, you know, I don't want to talk politics, but

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There's just not a lot of regulation, no matter if you're talking food or you're talking any other form of consumables. So,  you know, up the road here, we have an old  school that was  vacated, a lot of towns, and they repurposed it into a small business shop. And in there, you'll actually find a lot of similar companies that are similar to ours that all make locally sourced products.  There's a big market right now for

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detergents that you wash your clothing in.  You can go down a rabbit hole with that. So  every industry with time kind of ebbs and flows. And I think that, you know, from a consumer standpoint,  more so in the  millennial population and Gen Z, not to say baby boomers or not, but I really think people are paying attention to the sourcing of their products, the ingredients of their products.

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And kind of looking at that from a sustainability issue and saying, do I want all of this in my product? It smells really good, but is that right for me?  And so that's really where a lot of this is going when we started to create our business is we've seen the trend, we support the trend and we want to kind of be  produce a good product that's good  for consumers.  And so we've had

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pretty good success. actually been extremely surprised  even to be sitting here on a podcast in the month of March  with being started in October.  did an interview with the Jar Store, so we're going to be featured on our supplier of our American-made  vessels for our candle line.  And it's been a good experience this far.  Fun. I'm really glad that it has been.

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because sometimes you start a business and it seems like nothing but roadblocks and doorways shut in your face.  And I'm not, I'm not saying that happens to everybody,  but it can, and it can be really, really discouraging. Now I have a couple things to go back to here. I don't want to talk politics either, but anybody who's in America right now might want to really look at where they can get things  locally.

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Correct. Because of the terrorist situation. That's all I'm going say about that. Plus if you're shopping locally, you're supporting your neighbors and your community. So do that. It's good for everybody.  Yes.  Number two,  beard oil.  I don't like beard oil because I have really sensitive skin and if my husband has it on his beard, it makes my face get all red and blotchy.  Yeah. If he kisses me and I really like it when my husband kisses me. So he doesn't use beard oil.  But

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But if he needed to use some kind of beard oil, because for whatever reason,  one of the things that I have found is coconut oil is really good for beard oil.  Like the most basic beard oil ever, and I don't have any reaction to that. So that's all good. But I know that there are people who absolutely love beard oil because it smells good. Yes.  Yes.  And then the third thing I was going to say, because I was going to say at the beginning of the podcast episode, and I forgot to mention it,

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I have been doing a sort of every other episode update with our chickens that we just got four weekends ago this coming weekend.  They are just starting to lay.  My husband, my sorry, my son who still lives here brought in 10 eggs from 12 chickens this morning. Nice.  Yeah. So anyone who's been following along with the, many eggs did we get today? It's 10 out of 12 chickens today.  I am so excited. I cannot tell you.

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Nice. Yeah, that's a good thing to have. Right now it sure is. It's like gold. Yeah. Yeah. We've seen a lot of chickens too. That's one thing for international travel. you know, chickens are to any of your listeners,  sustainable source of protein  for multiple reasons.  They're a good thing to have.  I do. tell you on the downside, they, are a lot to clean up after sometimes. You also have to watch out for predators.  grew up in the outskirts of the big city. So.

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You got to watch out for the fox and the coyote  for Mr. Chicken, but they're really good to have.  And we're really lucky. The coyote is like our neighbor's property far more than ours because they have more animals than we do.  So when I hear the coyotes early in the morning,  they're always sounding like they're over by the neighbor's property, which is like half a mile from us.  And I'm like, I'm so sorry if they're losing critters, but at least they're over there and not over here.

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Yeah, it's something to pay attention to.  probably a matter of time.  Yeah. And our chickens get locked into their coop every night and  they have a chicken mansion. have one of those,  uh,  those sheds that you can get at like Home Depot or Lowe's. It's the  vinyl stuff.  And, and they actually have a lot of room right now. Cause we had, I think 30 chickens at one point that all went in there at night and now we only have 12.  So they have.

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They have more room than they can possibly use and they seem to be very happy. So we're,  we're tickled to have eggs again. had chickens until last fall and then we got rid of them because they were getting old and not giving us very many eggs and we screwed up because you're supposed to stagger the new chickens every two years. You're supposed to get new, chickens.  We didn't. So they were all the same age and my husband didn't want to feed them through the winter. And  he said, do you mind if I just call them? And I was like, no, that's fine. And then chicken.

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the eggs prices went up and I was like, God damn it.  So we now have new chickens and they're beautiful and they're producing and I'm so excited because  like I keep saying on the podcast, store-bought eggs are not great. I've actually said store-bought eggs suck.  So very excited, meant to mention at the beginning, didn't do it so I'm saying it now halfway through. Do you guys, where do you guys live? Do you live in a house or an apartment or on land or what? Yeah, we have a very big house.

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Yep.  And we're on a half acre. do live in a subdivision, but we have a lot of space.  There's three of us. So we have a pretty big house, a house that we're going to own for a long time. Very fortunate. So I think I mentioned at the start that we, you know, we've spent time in Washington, DC.  We both used to work there.  We backtracked here to  Southern Ohio and we wanted to start a family and just be not in the limelight 24 seven.

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I'm very, very fortunate.  But on the house front, I'll tell you, my first house was built in 1901. So  it's just that classic thing. Very similar to a car, if you will.  Think about back to your first car  and just kind of teeter totter with time in your life.  Yep, for sure.  And  do you mind if I mention the third person in your household?  No, no, absolutely. Yeah. So we're new parents.  baby, yeah.

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new baby. And you know what's funny is we've started this venture. I think that's a really good thing to bring up. So right before our baby was born is when all of the stars aligned for our business. Time management is very important. So I'm a basement dweller. I'm the type person, I'm not sure if you've heard of the analogy, but I know what your nine to five is, but what's your six to 10. And so

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To answer that, it's twofold. One is parenting and second is growing this business. And so I do it in the wee hours of the night, whenever the feeding's done. I've even came down here at 3 a.m.  just because I have a new idea for a new scent or product.  so we're currently in our basement  and we're scaling fast and it's been,  you know, it's been extremely hard. So I've been told no more times that I've been tied.

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told yes,  but each no is one step closer to a yes. And so that's kind of how I look at things from a business standpoint. And, you know, it's been a good journey this far and a long way to go.  Uh huh.  Yup. Exactly. And honestly, you're in the new high of having your first baby. So  that energy that you have is fake.  It's fake energy, but it works. Yeah.

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I mean, I look at it a sense of I have another excuse to get out of bed each day. And so, you know, I've been very driven from a career standpoint and, know, it's always, you know, you start from the ground up like most people I think do. And so it's nice to have another reason to get out of bed and be somebody in the United States right now. So it's a good source of motivation. I know it's challenging, but I've loved, it's kind of like the poke the bear analogy. Each day I'm like, yeah, you

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don't have an option to not get up now, you're getting up.  So it's been great. really am an advocate of parenting.  And where I was going into it initially, I  was not as excited as what I actually am and have been. So it's been great.  Uh-huh. have three. I have four children, three of my body.  One is a stepson, but he's the child of my heart. He's the one that was the Marine. Okay.

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When they put my daughter, my firstborn, in my arms in 1989, I  thought to myself, wow, 18 years is a damn long time.  And I was brand new. I had no idea what I was doing. I was 10 days past turning 20.  And my husband was older than I was and he already had a daughter. So he was a huge help at the time because he had already been through this thing.

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When the day she turned 18, I was like, oh my God, 18 is a blink of an eye. And it's so funny how your perspective changes. So what I'm going to tell you, even though you're near your 40s, or over or under 40, but what I'm going to tell you at 15 years older than you are is enjoy every single moment with that baby and then that toddler and that preschooler and then that elementary school kid and then that preteen and then the teen.

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And then the young adult, because you don't get them back. Yup. So, so soak it all up dad, cause, cause you gotta take it while you have it. Absolutely. Time is of the essence, right? Can't replace time. No, no. And take all the pictures you can, you can possibly store in your hard drive on your computer or in your phone and keep them. Absolutely. Because that little baby they put in my hands and in 1989 is now 35 years old.

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And she is a full-grown, fully-fledged, gorgeous woman. And  every time I see her, I'm like, how did this happen? Yeah. That's good. And I don't want to make podcasts into parenting advice because I get into this a few times every few months with people on the podcast, but  it's important. If you want to be fulfilled as a dad, you got to do the work and you got to be in it and you've got to...

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value every moment as far as I am concerned.  yep, absolutely. Just like a career, right? You get out what you put in. Yeah, absolutely. My youngest son still lives with us and I still, he does things and I just like make a bookmark in my head  of  this is one of those moments where it's new for him, which means that it's new for me to watch him do something new. And I just take like a snapshot in my brain so I can remember it.

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And he's 23. You know, would think I would be past this, but I'm not. He's still discovering new things, which is fantastic.  So anyway, how's your wife doing? Is the baby a girl or a boy?  A girl.  Yes, my wife is doing very well.  She started going back to work.  yeah, very blessed.  Looking forward to,  we haven't...

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gone on a... so my wife does a lot of travel. She's gearing up for her first back-to-work travel, which is going to be interesting, but I'll tell you what, FaceTime is a very big friend of ours in a lot of households, I think. I mean, I can't tell you how many times... back to the formula, I forgot what formula she wanted me to get and just pull up FaceTime in the store and there you go. But yeah.

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Everything has been really good in that, in that sense. know, back to Valor plus Harvest and everything, it's just gives us a new reason to get up each day and get out there and press it our goals.  Yeah,  absolutely. You have all the reason in the world to do that.  You were saying  back in the beginning, how awesome it is to be working for yourself.  Yeah.  The other thing that is involved in working for yourself is remembering that you are the face of your brand.

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You are it.  whenever somebody tells me they started a business, I usually very gently say, just remember that from now on, every interaction you have with another human being  is the impression they have of you, which means it's the impression they have of what you do, which means that if they talk about you, that you want it to be good. That's right.  And so I'm not being nearly as gentle with you because I don't have to be.  You are the brand.

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That's right. You are the brand. I think that from a responsibility standpoint, that is one another thing, you know, I don't want to bash corporate America. Like I said, it's been a good experience for me, but a lot of times, you know, we have so many filters to go through to get from A to B, rightfully so to protect the brand, right? You think of big corporations that there's filters there for a reason. you know, back to, think, what are we, what I talked about the early state, you know, I've always

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been in that realm of, know, there's a pass through, need to go, you know, to get to B, you have to unlock these codes and go through these approvals. And so  it's really been a wake up call. And I've used my degrees that I went to school for more so now than ever. And it's really something. I also do a lot of speaking.  I'll keep the organization  private, but I'm a part of a professional organization where I serve in the president's role. And one of the parts of our

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engagement is community outreach and also next generation training. So I talked to a lot of  college students and entrepreneurship is a big topic right now.  Brand equity is a big topic.  A  lot of parents that, excuse me, a lot of students that watch their parents dedicate 20 plus years to XYZ company  missed a lot of birthdays, things of that notion. You can't, back to what we talked about, you can't replace that time.

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And at the end of the road, come up short of the company or there's a mass layoff and their parent dedicated their entire life to this company. Right. So I guess that's another point I'm trying to stress about entrepreneurship and what's neat. It's like, yeah, we all can fail. But you really have more, I guess, opportunity from an entrepreneurial standpoint to, to pave the way for the next road.

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Where at the large cap companies don't necessarily have that option  You're absolutely right and I will tell you why I say that  My husband worked for a rather large company for almost 30 years  And he had had it back  two years ago  this month actually and he came home from work on Friday and he was very cranky and Saturday morning he got up and he was still very cranky

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And we were sitting outside on our porch and I said, um, what's up? He says, I need to quit my job. And I said, okay. I said, I've been saying that for five years. So are you actually going to, are you actually going to quit your job?  And he said, I think I am. I said, no, that's not good enough. I said, are you going to quit your job? And he said, yeah.  I said, okay, what's plan?  He said, we're going to make this place go now.

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This place is a tiny homestead, where we live, it's a three acre hobby farm basically. Nice.  And uh, we had a...

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We had a farm to market garden going. You know, that was what we've been doing. We had done a CSA for a couple of years. We had chickens  and  he was like, I can sell stuff at the farmer's market and we have, can sell eggs and we can make, we can make our soaps and our candles and our lip balms and stuff in more quantity and we sell those.  And I'm not going to lie. My first thought was that is not going to be enough money  and come to find out it wasn't. He actually got a job that.

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that same year in October,  but he took six or seven months to get his head straight and to take a mental break and do what he loved to do. Yeah. And it really helped him. So just because he's no longer just an entrepreneur  doesn't mean that it didn't help. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's such a

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important topic, know, mental health, you know, when I first started my career, it was all about composite. And if you came to me and said that you're going to pay me $20,000 more to join your company, I wouldn't even before you could even tell me that I would already respond to you with a yes. throughout my career, I've learned that, you know, think shift. Money is not the only thing. Your purpose in life is also

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different as well. example, back to the DC analogy, I worked extremely hard, made a lot more money, but my quality of life was the worst it's ever been. actually am a pretty fit person, always been into the gym, athletic community. I started to acquire high blood pressure  and  gained weight. And it's like, is your XYZ salary worth what it's doing to you from a physical standpoint on your life?  And so it's so hard and it's,

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It's going to continue to be hard. don't want to sugar coat things because, you know, I could talk for hours about global competition, but it's true. It's like the playing field. Yeah. I was used to, I like to use the analogy of the Olympics.  The rest of the world is catching up.  Rightfully so. And so it's going to continue to be a constant challenge.  But you just really have to dig deep and, and then follow your North star and do what's right for you.

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But  it's very hard for a lot of people right now.  Yeah.  You have to want it. Whatever it is, whatever your it is, you have to really want it. Yeah.  And  do what it takes.  Yeah,  exactly.  And like with this podcast, this podcast started out as  a placeholder because my youngest was going to be moving out and I didn't want to go through empty nest syndrome without something to focus on. Yeah.

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And  I was like, yeah, I'll do a couple of episodes and see how it goes. And it probably won't do anything. And a year and a half later, it is the thing that I love  to do.  is my favorite thing  during the week to line up interviews and talk to people because there's people like you.  There's people who are coaches. There are people who are just growing food. There are people who are raising cattle.  It's never the same. It may fall under the same umbrella, but it's never the same conversation.  Awesome.

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So I kind of really love it. I want to keep doing it. So this is my it.  My husband's it is the growing plants and growing chickens and getting eggs. I'm not as into it as he is. I will cook any of that stuff, but he can grow it. It's all good.  So anyway, Daniel, I try to keep these to half an hour and I'm sure you have a baby you'd like to go snuggle. So I'm going to catch you loose. But thank you so much for your time today.

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Thank you so much for having me.  encourage people to check out valorharvest.com and be on the lookout for our future products.  And thank you for having me and you know where to find me if I can add value for you long-term, maybe follow up with me in a couple of years, see where I land.  Oh, I would love to do that.  All right. You have a great afternoon. You too. Bye.  Bye.