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00:29share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Annie at Seeds to Save Her Farm and she's in Colorado. Good morning, Annie. How are you? Good morning, Mary. It's so nice to be here. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. I love it when the people I invite have time to talk with me. It's really great. What's the weather like in Colorado this morning? Oh, it's a gorgeous day today. Yeah. We're like, we're at, I think we're going to get up to like 65. So just, it's perfect.
00:59Nice. It's always sunny here. Well, that's awesome. It's only going to get up to like 30 here today. Where are you, Mary? Minnesota. Minnesota. Okay. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's really sunny, but it's windy and it's cold. The news, the good news is that the weather guy says that's going to warm up on Wednesday and we're just going to keep warming up until we get to like, you know,
01:24reasonable April, end of April temperatures for Minnesota, which is 50s, 60s for the highs. Yeah. Yeah. In here, it's like we can get snow. We had a blizzard on Mother's Day three years in a row. And so we're like, I'm sure you're the same there, right? So you're covering your blossoms, right? So the apple trees are in full bloom, the plums are in full bloom, the peaches are in full bloom, and then along comes a blizzard.
01:53We honestly, I've lived here for over 30 years and I have not seen snow, real snow in May, but I've seen heavy frost in May and that's what does in our blossoms.  we keep our fingers and toes crossed in May that it does not frost.  So, okay, so tell me about yourself and what you do and I know you do a whole bunch of stuff so start wherever you would like.  I always tell people I've worn a lot of hats.
02:22Um, yeah, I do a whole bunch of stuff. So  I am a cookbook author, I guess we'll start with that. I have two cookbooks  out. The first one is called, um, where Fino's happy heart.  Um, and it is a collection.  if in Colorado are, um,  the iconic ingredient,  um, the state food  is green chili. And if you know Colorado, um, it is a, it's a.
02:53very regional thing.  We and it's in Colorado and New Mexico. So Hatch of course is like most people are familiar with.  But there's always this like very friendly rivalry between Colorado and New Mexico who has the better green chili. I'm not going to say who I think. My green chili is the best. So there you go.  My husband is  indigenous to Colorado. And so he always talks about growing up with green chili, but you know simmering on the back stove all the time, always.
03:23So that was kind of a passion project and I had a grant. I went down to do work with a senior center and I collected stories and recipes and we created that cookbook. So that's where that came from and  it's a lot of fun.  About a year after I published my first cookbook,  I was diagnosed with celiac disease.  that was actually in the spring of 2023.
03:53And  I had lost my best friend who I like, she was my friend since I was like, you know, a kid.  She was,  and  she,  and then six days later, my sister died from a fall,  complications from a fall. And then three weeks later, I was diagnosed with celiac disease when I was in first place in a national cooking competition. So it was like, was,  was flattening.
04:23Literally flattening. And when I was able to finally look up again,  I realized that I was really, I guess I found gratitude.  And I realized that I was really fortunate that I was able to  handle food. I know how to cook food. I grew up in Ogallala, Nebraska.
04:50Heartland of America and the agriculture, agricultural.  So food has always been just a part of my life, right? So like my mother was an amazing cook. actually  known as an amazing cook. We did all the entertaining and all those things.  So when I realized that  I was a, know, that I felt fortunate about what I  can do,
05:19I felt like I could help other people. I kept seeing people say like, it's hard to navigate a truly gluten-free lifestyle. Like  with celiac disease, you can't have any gluten at all. That means cross-contamination. That means like you can't have a burger grilled on a grill where they've grilled a bun.  Or, you I mean,  you can't eat in certain restaurants. It's a lot. And as a food writer, for me, it was identity loosening. Like I felt like I'd lost my identity and I...
05:48didn't quite know, you I was like, what do do now? So I wrote my book, my cookbook, took me about a little over a year and that is simply, it's called Simply Gluten Free, Real Ingredients for Everyday Life. And it's really about, it's very, it's probably the way that your audience cooks. It would be the way that your listeners cook, that us homesteaders are like, we're like back to nature people, right?
06:17So we cook from real ingredients. We don't use a lot of processed foods.  But that's not how  a lot of people cook. And a lot of people don't know how to cook.  I felt like that was something like my homesteading background, my agricultural background, my food background, all were ways that I could help people navigate this world of living gluten-free because it's very, very, it's very much harder than I think people realize.
06:44And celiac disease is life-threatening. it's not, you know, it's, can't, it's, you just can't cross the line ever.  So  that's what, that's what I, I guess that's my  current, my, my current self.  We do our farm is seeds to savor farm.  We do seed preservation work here.  So.
07:11I guess I can, tell you  how we got into that. How I got into running.  Yeah,  so I taught middle school  in Aurora, Colorado for a little over a decade.  And  I took my students to Washington, DC. That was one of our things that we would do.  And  I would take them to, it was May.
07:37And we would go to Mount Vernon, which is the home of George Washington. And I was an American history teacher also. So that was what I did  in one of my lives.  we,  in May, Mount Vernon, the docents in Mount Vernon are doing their  seed and plant sale.  And  I was completely
08:06captivated by the thought of taking seeds from there and bringing them back to my home and growing those seeds in my home.  And I just thought that was the most amazing thing.  So I started really getting diving in deeper and started collecting seeds from historically significant people and places. So I  had seeds from Van Gogh's garden and I have seeds from Georgia O'Keeffe's garden and
08:35Shakespeare, the Anthos from the Shakespearean garden. And that just really captivated me. But when I started digging deeper, I realized that as lovely as that is, our seed security and our seed diversity has decreased by something 90%. I regularly see 80 % in the last 100 years.
09:06So what came clear to me was that we were really at risk of having a monoculture environment for all of our produce  and the risk of losing our seed heritage. So  I  actually watched a documentary called Seeds, the Untold Story and the only place I know of to get it is Amazon.
09:36And not everybody's doing that right now. But  I'm not the only person I know to get it. they interview one of the people that they interviewed talked about like the seed vault in,  you know,  up  in Svalbard. I think that's right, Norway.  And just the risks to our seed diversity to losing these all these this, you know, varieties of seeds and our heritage. So
10:06One of the people that they interviewed was Bill McDormand and  he and his wife, Belle, are the founders of the Rocky Mountain Seed Alliance. And I was like, these are my people.  I need to talk to them. So I reached out to them and  they  invited me to attend, they have a seed school that they do. And it's a week long intensive.
10:34about seed preservation and how to save seeds and  how to start them  and  the importance  of  us preserving and growing seeds outside of what you buy in a big box store packaged by Monsanto or Bayer, guess.  And so we learned a lot and then  my husband my husband did the class too and we
11:03have gone out into the community to teach  how to save seeds. And we start with seeds that aren't easily crossed, like lettuce and beans, because they're self-pollinators. So that's usually where we start. we donated to seed  libraries.
11:34That's the work we do  with seed preservation.  Nice. Okay. All right. So I have a couple of questions out of all of that because that's what I do. the books, it's High Prairie Press, right? Yes. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Is that your publishing company?  It is. So my degree is in English and I taught
12:03reading, writing  for years.  my end, when I was a teenager  living in Ogallala, Nebraska,  my dream was to be publisher. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to go to New York and I was going to work with Big Five and I was going to be a And that's not how life worked. really,  you know, I was just recently attended a big publishing summit, the Women in Publishing Summit, which is attracts like  all the public, you know.
12:32Everybody's there, Ingram and Lulu. I've been going to this for a few years. So I like, feel like I have sort of an identity crisis right now because I'm like, you know, an author and a cookbook and all of that, which kind of happened almost just by accident, to be perfectly honest.  And then I'm also doing have a publishing company,  which was my dream, which has been my dream my whole life.
12:59Um, which I love and I love, you know, being a writer and a publisher. I love that. And my, and high prairie press was really the fulfillment of a dream. When I started, when I was, so what I was planning on doing at that, um, let's say in 2023, when I, when I was telling you about the spring of 2023, was literally on my way to meet with a chef who wanted me to publish his cookbook here in Denver. And so I was.
13:27driving and my brother-in-law called and he said, you need to come and you need to come right now. So  I dropped that clearly.  that didn't happen. So my life went in very different direction after that.  I was talking to  the women in my publishing summit and some of my colleagues who are publishers and kind of dealing with this out there
13:56you know, talking about the books, talking about the cookbooks, which is great. And I love that. I love that was able to, you know,  the cookbook has been a great thing, but  my heart is in publishing and your audience is actually who I want to publish what I want to publish.  And I was offered, I was offered to be an imprint for a publishing company in Colorado Springs. And it was a tough one to, I actually ended up turning it down because
14:23I was like, no, I want to be my own. I want to do this. I want it to be my publishing company. But what I want to publish is exactly what your listeners do. Books about seed saving, books about homesteading, books about canning, books about food in general, preservation, growing, all of that. That's the information that food security, that...
14:51I worked a lot in food security because I taught eighth grade in an impoverished, well, seventh and eighth grade, but I taught middle school in an area with  a lot of poverty and the symptoms of poverty. so  I just kept food in my cupboard for my kids. They needed food.  If you don't eat, you can't learn.  And food producers are the base of our...
15:20our existence, right? Like we know that. And food security is so important. So that's what I want to publish actually. I love that I did the cookbook. I love being an author. I love her. I'm a writer. Like that's what I've always been. So that fits. But really my heart is in getting that information out to people, you know?  How  to do it. Yeah. So my next question is...
15:48Are they paperback books that you put out? are they, how are you doing it? Is it digital? Is it hardcover? What is it? Sure. Yes. I love talking about publishing. Me too. Love talking about publishing. I loved your interview with the editor of... it Hoving? Yes, I loved that. I was like, oh yes, I hear you. I feel you.
16:18Okay, so,  um,  my books were both designed in Canva. Okay.  They tell you, you can't do that. And I said, hold my beer. And,  you know, and actually, I said, hold my cider, because I can't drink beer  anymore. The thing I get back the most is how beautiful they are, because I'm an artist, apart. And so that's, that's everything I do,  I infuse with art. So it's, it's,  the books are beautiful. They're beautiful.
16:49Um
16:51We go through, so, you know, okay, so all of my colleagues, all of my publishing colleagues all say the same thing, like, you know, at the publishing summit in March, which if you're interested in publishing, you should certainly attend the Women in Publishing Summit run by Alexa Big Wharf. She's the person in publishing right now. And we go through Ingram. so you can really, Ingram has like,
17:19So Ingram has been the public printer and distributor of books forever. They are it. When I man, I was a manager for Walden Books. If any of you remember Walden Books. I do.  Way back when, right? I worked for Walden Books when I lived in San Diego in the eighties. And right down the road was an Ingram warehouse.  They, because, know, like San Diego shipping, right?
17:49Yeah. Huge warehouse. They were the printer, the printer and distributor in the world then in the eighties. Well established. They are still it. And we had a lot of conversation about that at the summit, right? Like, so it's like, they're expensive. Like that's part of the issue is that they're expensive.  You can do almost any trim size with Ingram and you can do...
18:17you can do pretty much any, you know, can do hardback and then you have paper weights that you can choose from. In fact, when I first finished,  when I first did the, cookbook, I chose 50 pound paper and it was too light  weight for a cookbook. Like you want your pages to have some substance in a cookbook, right? Cause you're going to set a spoon on it or whatever.  So I, that didn't work. And I went back and did a, did a higher paperweight and it's so much better.
18:47Um, we can do anything. We can do eBooks, paperback, hardback, any trim size.  Um, we do go through Ingram.  If you don't go through Ingram  at some point, you will not be ordered in bookstores or gift stores because they all go through Ingram.  That's a problem, right? I mean, clearly, but it is what it is. Like we have to work with that. all of what I, I guess what I was, what I was started to say earlier, but didn't finish is that
19:16all of my colleagues, you know, we're all like, the world of publishing right now is the wild, wild west.  It is a, pardon my language, shit show at the moment. And that's good and bad. we, you know,  go ahead. No, you had something to say, Mary.  No, just said, mm-hmm. And the reason it's a shit show is because there are so  many  ways to get a book out to people now.
19:45I mean, and it's going,  the reality is, and I've always said this, the cream rises to this top, right? Like that's not gonna change.  And there are things that aren't gonna change as far as like, you you can't replace heart, right? You can't replace that with like AI or with, you can't do that. And that's a whole, right? Like that's a whole world. But  yeah, it is. And it's been going on for, you know, it's been going on for almost 20 years, like really the upheaval.
20:14I would say 15 maybe in publishing and who knows when the dust will settle. But for now,  know, we as publishers and through, you know, women in publishing and through our, you know, I have a, in fact, I have a workshop directly following this interview. am doing a workshop with Alexa.  It's, you know, we're, we're, we're together. We're banding together. We're learning.  We're uplifting each other.
20:42We're helping each other.  I love that community. The women in publishing community is amazing.  And that's because Alexa, that's because she infuses it with her love and  care and concern for quality.  And all of us are, all of us are. it's, it  is the Wild, Wild West. It is.  And it's, like I said earlier, it's good and bad, right? Like it, it,  creates opportunity.
21:13But it also, like you said, like, you know, anyone can put a book out, right? I mean, anyone can do it now. And that's who knows? I don't know. Who knows? think I think it's fabulous because some people really do have a great thing that they want to get out in the world and they actually can write.  And this takes some of the barriers away. But there's a lot of crap out there, too. You and I both know this.  So, OK, so we've been talking about
21:41Publishing and writing in books for at least 20 minutes  I would love to have you back and talk about this more about you wanting to publish like the people I  Would love to do that because I just think I agree with you so completely that like this is opportunity isn't it like this is opportunity for people to To you know teach others and  get their voice heard
22:09Yeah, and I would love to have you talk about how you want to do that, know, as the publisher, because most people don't know how any of this works. I mean, I do because I helped a couple of friends ebook publish years ago and I didn't know what I was doing. I'm really good at editing, so that worked to my favor. I made grocery money and they made grocery money. We were happy with that. It worked out okay. So tell me, for the last...
22:35eight minutes or so, tell me about your  farm because that's the other part I wanted to hear about. Yes, of course, of course. So Seeds to Savor, we're Seeds to Savor farm  and  that  we are at 6,300 feet. So we have a lot of, we  really deal with a lot of challenges  of,  well, let me just say that when I bought this land, I weren't five and a half acres.  And when I bought this land, I bought it for horses and horses and growing are not the same thing.
23:04That has been a challenge. There's so many challenges, just the wind.  And when you sit here at 6,300 feet,  so we can see from Pike's Peak to Long's Peak. We have a view of the entire Front Range.  But that means wind, like the wind constant.  And the sun  shines all of the time. And we don't have trees.  We're here on the prairie. So it's been a lot of challenges.  We've learned that certain things
23:33Like we grow potatoes really well here.  I grew tomatoes for a chef for a while and  heirloom tomatoes. it was just, there's such water consumers and we really,  we're really, really careful with our water here.  Colorado is the only state that has no water that flows in, nor does any water touch our borders. So all of our water falls from the sky.  And so that's...
24:00It's a challenge, you know, and we live, we're on  a  well. So that's an aquifer that is,  there's so much to say about water in Colorado, so I won't go there. our  aquifer has dropped.  I've been here for 25 years.  Our well pump went dry. We  had to replace our well pump, which was terrifying.  But water is such an issue. So I stopped growing.
24:29I just don't do that anymore. We grow a lot of brassicas and we do,  I don't do as much, I used to do some market gardening, but I haven't done that for a while. But we might, we've been talking about kind of getting back into that. We're going, we're doing a cattle panel greenhouse that I'm super excited about, because I want to put a pool in it. So we're trying to design it so we can put a pool in it.  The pool  would be a heat sink.
24:57Um, also add moisture to very, very dry hair, very dry hair. We are semi-arid. Um, so that's a challenge too. Uh, lavender grows really well here, just like, you know, um, but it's, it's, I've been focused the last couple of years on more on publishing and writing and producing. And so, um, I haven't put as much energy in, but
25:26We are definitely energized to do that this year. We're getting chickens again. I haven't had chickens for a couple of years. I've missed them. So we're getting chicks this spring from a local breeder. So I'm super excited about that. just got new chickens like five weeks ago from our friends who let their chickens breed, think.
25:54I could be wrong. She may actually order eggs and hatch them. I don't know. But either way, I consider them to be their chickens until they're our chickens. Absolutely. I get that. It's been so fabulous having our own eggs again from our chickens. Oh my gosh. So I understand why you want chickens again. Oh, I'm so excited. Number one. That's so cute. Yeah, it's really fun.
26:23To know that you're getting your eggs from your chickens, but it's also nice that they're not grocery store eggs. Oh, so many things, right? Exactly. agree. Colorado, so Colorado passed a law that all chickens have to be cage free. You can't sell all chickens, that you can't, that's it in the grocery stores, or all cage free eggs now, as of January. But are they really, are they really cage free?
26:53Right. No, and they still have no room. Like they're still just crowded in a big, yeah, they're not in cages, but they're still enclosed. Yeah. So yeah, no, I agree. It's not the same as definitely not the same, but I do think it's a step in the right direction, you know, of just like not allowing, you know, I've always, I felt that way since I was a kid, you know, growing up.
27:16My best friend had a ranch.  my parents didn't, were, my dad was an engineer, but my best friend had a ranch and farm and ranch. And so I grew up wrangling cattle and all the things.  I've just always said there has to be a limit. It's meat. I'm not a vegetarian. I eat vegetarian sometimes, but meat production has to be humane.  We need a humane way to produce meat.
27:43That's, know, so I feel like it's a step in the right direction. But yeah, you're totally right. But not everybody can have their own chicken. So. Yeah. And I was kind of being a smart ass because I talk to people all the time for the podcast about these things. And cage free to me is a really weird term because if you're going to have chickens, you have to be able to keep them with you somehow.
28:13And our chickens have a coop. have a run off the coop so they can go outside and they're outside in the sun, in the grass, eating bugs and stuff.  we have some, we have some escapees cause we haven't clipped their wing yet.  And every time I see the one that gets out first, I'm like, a scupey, she a scupey.  My son laughs at me.  But,  what I would like is that chickens aren't like
28:4140 chickens stuck in a  box.  know, that's the hard part for me because  I've said this before and I'm going say it again. I have a really soft heart when it comes to  living beings. I mean, I even sometimes get just a little bit of a,  when I trim herbs to go in my salad  because plants are living too.
29:08They just don't make any noise so you don't know how they feel about what you do to them.  I agree.  I agree with that. So  whatever we can do to make it better, and I can't define better for you because I don't know what it is, but to make it better. And it's hard because some people have pushed back at me and been like, well, what do you want to do? And I'm like, I don't know. I just want it to be better.
29:35And one of the people I was talking with said, until you can define your version of better, that doesn't help. And I'm like, I get it. I know. So it's fine. I'm just thrilled you have a farm.  mean, I think everybody should have a farm and not everyone does and not everybody wants one. But for those who do want a farm or a homestead, I hope with all my heart that you eventually get it because it is so worth it. It is.
30:03It is. And I think that's, you know, I guess that's why what I want to publish is about, you know, exactly that, right? Like we want it to be better.  I mean, I agree with you.  I hear where you're coming from. And  I don't know that I agree that we all have to define exactly what that is. It's really sometimes just in the heart, right? It's our heart. It's not  necessarily something that has to be defined in your head.
30:33I think everything has to be that way. And I think it's okay to just say, well, this is in my heart and I feel like we can do better. And I think that's what we're doing. I think those of us who are producers and those of us who live this lifestyle and understand this lifestyle,
31:04you know, are trying to do it better and are trying to help others to do it better,  you know? Exactly. I have, you know, I, it's, there are, you know, whether it's chickens or, or whatever, the  meat, the mass produced, you know, my daughter works for Kroger. She's a cheesemonger, which makes, which makes me happy, of course.
31:30Yeah, so she's the manager of the Murray's Cheese at the Kroger nearest. And  she talks a lot about like, you know, a food waste, because it's just, it really bothers her.  And the people around her are just kind of like, yeah, whatever. And she's got her whole store composting, like she's, it's a big store. And she's like, they compost now, because she's like, makes it happen. Because, you know, it's important. It's important. You have that awareness. And like, she, she'll say to like,
31:59The people that she works with are like, well, they'll do it. Like corporate's going to do it. She's like, you are corporate. That's who you are.  Like you are representative of this grocery store. And that means that, you know, we are, we are that that's us.  So she makes them.  love that. That's awesome.  I'm so proud of her. And I'm so, I'm so glad you brought up cheese because I heard on the news yesterday that a lot of cheeses are imported.
32:27And the tariffs are going to affect that. So I talked to my son yesterday. He's a grown up. He's an adult  and he still lives with us. And I said, you want to learn how to make cheese? And  he said, I said, yeah.  Said I will get ahold of the guy that sells raw milk over in Montgomery, Minnesota  and we'll try making some of our own mozzarella. And he was like, I am. It's really easy and you'll love it. It's so much fun.
32:51Yeah, he said, I am all in. said, and then we can figure out how to make ricotta, because you can make that pretty easy too. And then I said, we have to look into how to make cheddar, because we eat a lot of cheddar cheese around here when we have cheese. And that's a whole different thing. So we're going to learn. And you can get good cheddar. it from the US? There's, Telemuk is a great cheddar. You're in cheese country, almost. I'm adjacent. I'm cheese country adjacent, yes.
33:21There you go. Yeah, she said that. So the the when we had our launch party for the book, we had it at a cidery, local cidery, Holly Daly, who I'll shout out for because they're amazing. Our local brewery. I'm sorry. Not cidery. They're a brewery. They brew real they brew gluten free beer. Nice. So we heard our Yeah, they're amazing. They're wonderful. They just went public, I think. And they
33:51We did, my daughter did a tray for us, right? So we bought this charcuterie from King Super's and  she did the, I probably shouldn't say this, right? She upgraded it.  But the blue cheese was called Rogue River blue cheese. If you like blue cheese, okay, this is important.  Rogue River blue cheese, that's what she did. I've never had anything like it.
34:19It is the number one cheese in the world. So not the number one blue cheese, but the number one cheese in the world. And she told me yesterday or this weekend, they came out for, did a crab boil  and they came out and, she said  that Rogue River just announced that they had extra, they have like surplus because normally she can only get it at Christmas. She's never gotten it in the middle of the year before. And she's like, I'm ordering some. So Rogue River.
34:50is the blue cheese if you're a blue cheese fan and it is in surplus right now. I never know what surprises I'm going to get on the podcast and I do not love blue cheese but I bet people who are listening do so. Good to know. Thank you Annie. Appreciate that. All right we are at almost 35 minutes and I know you another thing to get to so I'm going to let you go.
35:16Thank you so much for your time today. I appreciate it. Absolutely. I appreciated it. And my website is  highpraripress.org or seedstosaver.org.com.  And I will put those in the notes. Perfect. All right. Thank you. Have a great day. Thank It was so much fun. It was. Thanks.
 

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00:29share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Jessica and Renee at Kesinger Homestead. And I don't know who should get first billing on this because Jessica and Renee are sisters and I don't know who's oldest. I'm oldest, Jessica.  I'll take that. I think I said it right.  Yes, you did. And I would normally say, how's the weather? But I'm pretty sure I know how the weather is. So I'm looking out my window and it's and spitting snowflakes right now. And  you're in where in Minnesota?
00:58Anoka County. We're north of those cities.  It's not snowing here yet.  It will be.  I'm sure it will.  You guys are probably going get more snow than we will in Lasur. Yeah, I'm really hoping this is it. I'm hoping this is the last hurrah of winter because  I'm tired of it. I'm ready for it to be over. It's April 1st, damn it.  We are all ready for it to be over.
01:26This last snowfall was pretty. I'm not some pretty pictures and such, but I'm not even giving it that. It was not welcome.  Jess wants to just live somewhere tropical.  Oh, well, she is in the wrong state for that, but I  hope you at least get to go on vacation somewhere tropical. I do.  do.  Okay, good.  All right. So  normally I would say tell me about yourselves and Kessinger.
01:55Kesinger or Kesinger? Kessinger. Kesinger, Homestead. But I looked at your Facebook page this morning and you guys have a cow that is imminently due with a calf or two. Yes. Oh gosh. me about that.  Oh gosh, what if it's two?  So she, yeah, so her window to deliver started about a week ago. So we had a live bull on the property. So we're not sure exactly when she got bred.
02:22But she is showing signs. She's swollen back there. She's just a little bit irritable. And this morning she may have lost her mucus plug. I know everyone wants to hear about that. It's pretty gross. No, it's not. I am hopeful that this snowstorm gives us a baby. So that's my goal today. Yeah. How late did you stay up last night watching? I was watching her on the camera all night.
02:50As much as I want your cow to be more comfortable,  I also would like to have at least 30 minutes to talk to you guys before you have to like run off to help her.  Because this is real life listeners. This is what happens on homesteads. Animals go into labor when they're ready. And it doesn't matter what you're doing, you got to drop everything and go see if they need help. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So, I've Googled how to take care of cow and labor.  we're...
03:17We're semi-prepared. It's our first year with cows.  Oh, okay. How many cows do you have? So we have two moms  and they both came with babies. So we have four and then both of the moms are pregnant again. So we'll have six this summer. I'm so jealous you're going to have calves. I'm jealous. They're so cute. I know. I know. And I think they'll let me snuggle them as my, I've tried to make them my best friend the past year. So. They should.
03:45My goal. It's my goal. So yeah, we're all about all the babies, baby chicks, baby cows, maybe a baby pony next year. As we're looking at little Coco out there in her pasture right now.  Uh huh. Yeah.  Um, is she, is she bred? No,  we've been Googling that.  So that might be we between the two of us, we have six kids. So  the more ponies, the better, think.
04:14Well, you won't have to rent one for the birthday party if you already own one. that would be great. Exactly. Yeah, she gets passed around for birthday parties for sure. Oh, funny. All right. So tell me how this all happened because you guys are sisters, you live four and a half miles away from each other and you're both doing homesteading. So what's the history here?
04:36So I, this is Jessica.  I started about 10 years ago when I met my husband. So he lived in a town home  and when we were dating, he had home studying books on his shelf, which was funny. Cause again, town home living. Um, so we were just kind of meant to be, he was more than happy to move out to the country with me.  Um, but he's an engineer. So he is the best at optimizing things. So
05:01That's how we're able to do so many different things on a limited amount of time is because we put a lot of work and time in the front end. So the maintenance is minimal. he's helped me with that. then Renee just got interested and excited and I'd give her a free tomato plants. And eventually I convinced her to take some chicks home and yeah. I mean, so I've been in it for, this is my second year and
05:30mainly just chicks when I have a small garden. So she does a lot more of the homesteading than I do, but I'm learning from her and growing in that way. But when she gave me eggs, she's like, and this is from the cream crested leg bar rooster. So these are all be Easter eggers. And I think this one is from my Rhode Island red and all these different names. like, I have no idea what all these are. I'm not going to remember all this. And now here I am two years later. knows all of them. I know all of them.
06:00You sucked her into the lifestyle. did.  You did a good job. I'm going to say I didn't,  I wasn't super into it to begin with. I'm like, okay, yeah, cool. Chicks, chicks are fun. They're cute. But then like, yeah, I got obsessed. It's fun. Chicken math is  real. You need all of them.  I hear chicken math is real a lot. It's really bad. It is. You need all the colors.
06:26Because it's just as easy to raise 50 chickens as it is to raise five. You just have to have bigger vessels of food and water. Yes, yes, absolutely. I have not gotten sucked into the needing to have all the different colors and different colored eggs. I really do. You should. No, I can't afford it right now.
06:51And for us, the eggs are just a means to an end for protein because everyone I've talked to for the last month and a half, who I've talked to about chickens and laying hens, has been all about, it's really nice to have your own laying hens because then you have your own eggs and you're not paying $10 to $12 a dozen at the store. And I can vouch for that because we just got our new dozen at chickens like five weeks ago, something like that.
07:21And we'd had chickens before. my husband came home from shopping. He was down in Mankato doing stuff at Menards and Fleet Farm and stock pick up groceries. And he was like, six eggs is going for $8. And I said, well, I said, I'm going to contact our chicken dealer and see if she has any laying hens because this is crazy.
07:47So I I contacted our chicken dealer slash broker and said do you have any laying hens that are ready to go? And she said they'll be laying in four weeks. How many do you want? I said all of them, but I can't afford them I would love 12 and she said cool and I said how much she said $23 a bird and I thought to myself, you know, I am willing to do that. That is fine
08:10So I actually got into cows last year because I got mad at beef prices. I went to Target, I paid $6 for a pound of ground beef from an animal that was raised who knows how from who knows where. And I went home and I sat down with my husband and I said, I want to get cows. He said, okay. So I'm like, okay, we need to run before he changes his mind and researches this. And I had cows on the property within 12 days.
08:39Jess is very impulsive when it comes to animals. I think it was around the time of tax refund. So I had some cash that was just sitting there begging to be spent. And I'm like, I'm going to, I had to put some different gates on for cows.  Um,  but the rest of our horse fencing was sufficient. So we just had to change around a couple of gates and take my horse trailer, go pick up a couple cows. And that was that. And ta-da. And now we have cows, no beef yet, but cows.
09:08We're starting.  Whale cows produce more baby cows and then you can take some of the cows  and butcher them at two years old or whatever it is. Yep, two years. So we'll butcher this winter will be our first time. So we're excited for our own meat where we know that the animals have one bad day at the end and that's it. Otherwise they are happy and loved and spoiled and we know what they're  eating.
09:35Lena's getting some apple scraps from applesauce I made this morning. Oh yes, they love their  carrots and apples and everything from the fridge.  And they don't mind the soft carrots from the fridge if you have any. Exactly, they're not picky.  Yeah, that's why we love our chickens because if things are not quite up to par for us to want to eat,  we're like, oh, we have chickens again and out it goes to the chickens. They love it. Yeah. They never feel bad about it.
10:04Exactly.  So cows, chickens, kids.  Do I miss? Oh, you have a horse, right? Or a pony? Yeah, but we have,  I have two riding horses and then, and this is Josie, and then we have a pony that goes between the two of us.  Okay. And then we garden. Yeah. Okay. Good. Gardening is going to come here very shortly.  The horses, are they, are they just for fun or do they have any jobs?
10:34They are to make me happy. Okay. So that, is their job. Other than that, no job. Yeah. Manure. Manure. Compost. Yeah. Sure. We'll pretend that's their purpose. It's really, really good, um, fertilizers. So yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I asked because back in the olden days, as it were,
10:59people had jobs for their horses, they pulled carts or they pulled the plow or they whatever, they had jobs.  And horses are an expensive hobby. And if you can,  you can afford it. I applaud it because I think horses are beautiful.  Yeah. But I feel like they don't have as many jobs as they used to have.  No. So back in COVID days,  when everything was shutting down and chaos was happening and everyone was uncertain about what was going to go on.
11:28Me and my husband laughed. like, you know, if we can't get fuel, we're going to jump on those horses and we'll still have transportation.  So we did joke about that.  It has not been needed, but, and you know, if it really does hit the fan, they, that, that is protein.  I don't think it'll ever come to that.  never know.  Life is crazy right now.  No  kidding.  I don't think I could do it, but.
11:56I tell my husband that and then he allows the animals to stay.  Well, that's good. I would hate for you to have to give up any of your animals because I can hear how much you love all of them.  I do.  So I don't want to, I really don't want to go into why things are crazy right now because I try to avoid politics like the plague on my podcast.  So let's talk about your gardening. Do both of you garden or just one of you?
12:22Mostly just me, Jessica. I'm kind of getting Renee into it. She's coming around. I'm going to teach her how to can this year. Nice. Yeah. So I haven't really gotten into canning. So everything that comes from my garden gets eaten in the fall. So it's not a really super big garden, but I want to get into grapes this year. So we're going to plant some grapes. Yeah, I don't have a whole lot in my garden, but Jess is going to get me going.
12:50I have a tomato addiction.  It's ridiculous.  It's a problem. So I started with probably six heirloom tomatoes and then I went to 12 and then I went to 30. Last year I had 54 plants plus a couple cherries.  I need all the different colors of tomatoes. It goes back to the colors of the eggs. need one of every color and everything that I do.  Well, that's okay.
13:19That's fine. So lots and lots of tomatoes.  I do can them.  I, when I run out of energy, I just dice and freeze them. I was selling them for a while.  Um, but then I realized I can consume all of the tomatoes in a year.  Yeah. I love tomatoes.  Well, I suspect you probably will never have cancer because tomatoes are really high in antioxidants.
13:45Mm-hmm. Well, that's so cancer. That is a huge driver in  us producing our own food. Uh-huh. So I'm a PA, so I work in family practice.  And the cancer rates are just terrifying.  The past probably 10 years, we're just seeing more and more cancers in younger people. And it's got to be what we're eating. It's got to be the preservatives, all the chemicals that we're consuming. So if we can produce food on our own property,
14:15then we know what we're eating and what we're fueling our kids with.  So  Whole Foods is where it's at.  Absolutely. I was going to put a word in there that I don't say on the podcast either, so you can guess which one it was.  Absolutely.  I know.  You know, we are what we eat. We've been saying that forever.  But I think it's finally time that people are waking up and realizing that. So.  Yeah.
14:43Yep. And it's such a bummer because we, I don't know, I'm 55. You guys are in your what? Late 20s or early 30s? Yeah. I don't know if you were raised like I was, but I mean, it was nothing to ride my bike a mile and a half to the store, pick up a Dr. Pepper and a bag of Doritos and eat it on the way home. Exactly. And we didn't think anything of it. And I don't, I don't do Dr. Pepper because I can't afford it. Pop is unbelievably expensive. And I don't do Doritos because I have, um,
15:11and like an allergy or a reaction to MSG and MSG is in almost every flavored chip known to man. And so I just don't do any of that stuff anymore. And what I really love to do is just take some lemon juice, put it in a glass, throw some water in it, add like a teaspoon of sugar, stir it up, and that's lemonade. Exactly. And I am, I'm going to say something that people either hate or love.
15:40I don't think that sugar is a bad thing for you. I think that too much sugar is a bad thing for you.  And I don't think that butter is bad for you.  think margarine probably is bad for you. I feel like it's all moderation and even moderation in moderation sometimes. To me, I feel that it's  the number of ingredients. So like you said, your lemonade, three ingredients,  butter.
16:09One ingredient, two,  salt. If add salt to it.  But yeah, staying away from all the chemically derived  foods  is definitely the healthy way to go. Yes.  My husband just made his amazing herbed bread on Sunday  and he knows and I know exactly what's in this bread and it makes the most beautiful loaves  and the crumb is amazing.
16:37I just, look at what he does in an hour and a half, you know, barring the  rise time.  And it's so much better than what you can buy at the store and it doesn't have any preservatives in it. Yeah.  I've gotten a little bit bread crazy here.  Started making sourdough back in November of last year and now I'm like on the process of getting my cottage bakery license. Yay.
17:06Providing, yeah, providing bread for, you know, neighbors and people in our community around us. That's simple  ingredients.  Yeah, I was actually pretty grossed out because I found a half loaf of bread at the bottom of my  bread thing. And it was from like January and there was not a speck of mold on it. I'm like, there's something wrong with that. Cause it's April now, four months later and it has not molded. It's so scary.
17:35That's not food. Versus I buy Renee's sourdough every week and by the next week, if it's not gone, which that's a rare occasion, but if it's not gone,  it's moldy  as it should be because it's a week old.  that tells you that  anything that has that super long shelf life, yeah, is terrifying. What's in it? Who knows what's in it?  Yeah. I don't  see, here's where it gets iffy for me.
18:02I don't want to scare people. want to empower people.  so maybe we just put the spin on this particular subject that if you make things from scratch, from whole ingredients,  number one, it's going to taste good, but you need to eat it. You need to eat it or freeze it. Yes.  Oh yeah. Yeah.  And it  is frightening how many young people are now getting sick when they should be in the prime of their lives and healthy.
18:32And I do think that it probably has something to do with the food.  But I also feel like young people these days aren't getting out in nature. They aren't moving their bodies. They aren't  grounding their bare feet in good black dirt. And I think that has to do with it too. Yeah. Our kids don't, for the most part, don't do electronics. They're outside. They're chasing the pony around. They're holding chicks. They're trying to catch the chickens, which
19:01It's pretty hilarious. We should be trying to catch the children.  So it's good times. should. But playing in dirt, you know, just take the sticks and hit the tree. That's what my son does. He runs around hitting things with a stick. That's fabulous.  He's learning cause and effect. And he's, like you said, staying grounded.  Yeah. I didn't realize that that was a thing until somebody I loved very much, like an auntie figure,  told me about it.
19:28She saw me take off my shoes in the grass one time, we're outside doing something. And I was just sitting there with my feet in the grass and she said, are you grounding?  And I said,  I don't know what that means.  And she said, oh, sweetheart, let me explain to you what you are doing right in this moment.  And explained to me the premise of grounding. And I did it all the time. Like my dad would go out until the garden in springtime  in this, you know, when it was warm.
19:57and the dirt was warm and I would go out and take off my shoes and stick my feet in the loam because it was warm and it felt good. And everybody thought I was kind of crazy because I did that and I was like, it feels good and it makes me calm down. I don't know why everybody's freaking out. So there are some real things to grounding yourself in the way that you need to. Yeah.
20:25I will say my feet are a permanent color of brown slash black all summer long. just like gets into the calluses.  And then it's just stuck like that all summer. I can't get it off as much as I scrub. I'll go and get my nails done, my toes done and fill.  They can't even get it out. We don't wear shoes.  Even as a kid, we were barefoot.  barefoot. Cole's grossed out that I would go into the horse pasture barefoot.  Oh, I say  out of the pasture.
20:55Yep.  I  think that dirty feet are the sign of a happy soul. Yeah. Yeah. They really do. Yeah. Yeah. And dirt under your nails. That's always a battle because I can't help but go out and dig in the dirt.  I walk by my garden, I got to go prune some stuff and check for progress. I do a walkabout every evening where I just go and I check my flowers and I see what's blooming and
21:24check my tomato progress, see if I can predict when I'm going to be able to pick that first tomato of the season,  check the chickens, get eggs,  do a head count on the animals.  It's just  such a peaceful time every evening and after, because I work full time. So after I get off work where I can go and just walk around the property and see the progress that's happening. And how satisfying is that?
21:50It's amazing.  Because I built it. I when I bought the property, so I've been living where I'm living right now for  oh my gosh, like 15 years.  So quite a while and it was nothing when I bought it. I mean, the house was run down. We've redone it a couple times since then and there were no gardens.  So we have a fairly established orchard with about eight apple trees. My husband made me raised beds that's full of lilies, dahlias.
22:20A bunch of annuals, I have my large  vegetable garden, the horses, the cows, the chickens. The majority of her yard is fenced in area.  it's all animal pasture. A lot of pasture. I utilize every inch of our property. If it's not grazing property, it's growing.  But we still have grass, grass for the kids.  Not much though.
22:48We have a large wildflower patch and so do you. both have wildflowers. Nice.  It's  just peaceful. Yeah, and beautiful.  I really feel like a lot of the people that I talk to on this podcast are very much drawn to beauty. And this lifestyle really, really, really hits that sweet spot. And no, it's not beautiful when you're watching your animals poop.
23:18or pee. It's what they do and it's not repulsive, but it's not beautiful.  But you look at them when they're just being themselves and being playful or just standing there looking gorgeous and you can't help but just appreciate the beauty of nature.  I just love to go out and sit and watch my little tiny dinosaurs run around and scratch  their
23:45Even chickens are beautiful. mean,  I'm not a chicken fan. don't, I've said this before, I don't like touching them because  the quills in their feathers just, I don't know, they set off an ick thing for me.  But  if I just brush my hand down their back, they're really soft.  And the new chickens, they're 26 weeks old now, something like that. So they're new chickens.
24:13their little fluffy butts are the best thing ever.  They look  so soft, like a kitten is soft. And I watch these chickens walk around and I will spend half an hour just watching the chickens do chicken things because I'm like,  what are they doing?  And then I figure it out and I'm like, oh, now I get it.  Yeah. Yeah. They're fun to observe. They're busy.  They're crazy.
24:40It's almost like a childlike joy though. mean, the kids will randomly run around, stop and look at things, play with things. It's that innocent  exploration that I think as humans were drawn to. Yeah. You might, you both might laugh at me, but I feel like homesteading, farming, gardening  is one of the  few lifestyles where you can take that moment and actually live in it.
25:09You know, be in it.  Oh, yes, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Because I can't tell you the last time I went for a drive  and I was in it, like experiencing the drive.  I don't experience the drive. going from point A to point B. when I look outside at my property and it's snowing and it's beautiful,  I stop and I actually  live in
25:38that moment, like I take a breath and I let it out and I experienced what I'm seeing. And there is something really important about that. Yeah, we are. For sure. For sure. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna say this, a friend of mine's husband passed away on Sunday and it was sudden and unexpected. And I am very sad for her. And it really reminded me that no one is promised tomorrow.
26:08So I might be riding this experiencing the moment a little hard because I'm feeling it right now. But you got to soak up all life has to offer because you don't know when it's going to be over. Right. 100%. Yeah. So it's just a little reminder that tomorrow isn't promised and today is a gift, which sounds really cliche, but it's also really true. It is so true. It is so true.
26:37Yeah.  So I don't know. Anyway,  it's been on my mind for today. Well, since yesterday, since last evening. So it's been a little sad, but it's okay. So what's I always ask people, what's the future look like for you guys? But it sounds like the future is that you are sisters who really love each other, which is amazing. And that you're going to keep growing this homesteading life together.
27:07Yes, for sure. Yeah. One of my biggest goals is to get an established greenhouse. So then I can have tomatoes earlier in the season and later in the season.  Tomatoes.  So we're going to have a green, she's going to have a greenhouse and I'm going to come over and bake my bread in her greenhouse to help heat it. And then we're going to sit under her banana tree and eat fresh baked sourdough bread in her warm greenhouse in the cold, cold.
27:36Minnesota winter. That's the plan. So I'm convinced,  well, my husband, the engineer is convinced that he can design, engineer a greenhouse that we can heat year round through mostly geothermal heat.  And  there's a bunch of tips to  utilize the,  gosh, I can't think of what it's called. Like the mass of water. So when you heat water with the sun during the day,  slowly releases that heat.
28:05through the evenings. So there's a guy in Canada that has bananas year-round. So that's my goal, is I want a banana tree and tomatoes and herbs year-round. I want to go out to my greenhouse and pick basil in January.  Me too. Me too. when you're done  with your answer to my question, I have a couple things about the greenhouse.
28:28Well, that's just the goal is the greenhouse more animals. I mean, that's kind of how the homestead page started. did. The greenhouse is expensive. if this homesteading page can take off and get more people interested, then that would help subsidize the costs of the greenhouse and possibly sponsorships and yeah, down the road. Steve calls, Jess calls me one morning and she's like, Hey, let's start a Facebook page so that I can.
28:56do my greenhouse down the road. just like that week, we're like, okay, here we go. Again, impulse. Impulse.  I tend to make decisions very fast.  But  also I follow through with them. I'm someone that once I decide to do something, I put everything that I have into it and  follow it all the way through.  That helps for sure.  Okay. So the geothermal thing for the greenhouse.
29:24It does work.  I applied for a grant a year and a half ago or so. And the point was to make a winter greenhouse.  did? Okay. And we got the grant, which is amazing to me. And last May, my husband and my son built the greenhouse. Like we ordered supplies, they built the greenhouse. It's amazing.  There are pictures on my Facebook page if you want to go look. You'll have to scroll back a little bit.
29:52I really wanted to do solar panels  and  a heater in the greenhouse that the solar panels would power. Yeah.  And my husband was like, no, I want to try this thing where you buy  the, of course, can't think of it, IBC totes, the plastic totes and fill them with water. Okay. Paint them black.  And then when the sun goes into the greenhouse, it will heat up the water because of the black paint on the outside.
30:20It will soak up  all that heat during the day and it will disperse it at night. There are like eight of these in the greenhouse, which takes up a lot of room.  It works. It did not work back during that really cold stretch in January, I think it was,  because it was cloudy. So  the water containers weren't soaking up enough heat to disperse it.  So  it gained us like...
30:50like October, November into December, it wasn't freezing in the greenhouse. But on the days when it's cloudy,  it doesn't work as well.  then there are, right now he's got tomato plants and pepper plants out there and he is supplementing the heat from the water containers with a space heater. And he's got the plants up high because heat rises.
31:17And the tomato plants and pepper plants are doing fine. And it's been like 47 to 50 degrees in there every night, every morning when it gets up. You're living my dream. That's what I want to do. Oh, that's so exciting that here in Minnesota, you've been able to do that. Yep. But I don't think I'm ever going to see a tomato in January out of that greenhouse because it just can't handle the extended days of cold. Yeah. We would put supplemental heat in there. So we'd be willing to
31:46to pay for a little bit of extra heat for those shorter months. Would you also use the groundwater too? Something about like the ground, is groundwater warmer?  The geothermal,  that's the underground.  I hear it works, but Minnesota is tough because you never know how cold it's actually going to get when it goes below zero in January and February. But I did hear the cloud is the problem, the cloud cover.  Minnesota has so many cloudy days.  Yeah.
32:16So yeah, it's  still a progress, but well, yeah, I think we'd put a wood stove in there where we just have my kids go throw some logs in.  Yeah, absolutely. And there are, there's a lot of ways you can do it, but he really wanted to try this IBC tote idea. And I was just like, it's your baby. Do what you want to do. Do the experiment. And I'd be like, that's great. As long as we have a backup heat. Yeah.
32:43Oh, well, my one my one foot putting down ish thing. Yeah, was that I didn't want the basil seedlings to go out until we know it's going to be over 40 degrees in there overnight. Yeah, those are my babies. I love basil and I didn't want them to die. So yeah, yeah. So you have a bunch of plants in your living room, don't you? On my table in my kitchen. Yes.
33:09Oh, it's in kitchen. I was close. I was close.  Right now, I think it's all basil. I think everything else went out to the greenhouse. How many basils do you plant?  A metric  ton this year. Oh my gosh, that's awesome.  But this is the first year that we're growing seedlings for the express purpose of selling them to people so that they can grow them in their gardens.  Gotcha. Cool.
33:33Because we don't have to sell people produce. I'm totally fine selling them the baby plants to grow their own. That's fine. Oh, yeah, 100%. And I'm excited about it because I want to get everybody growing a small backyard garden right now. Yes. Oh, yes, because you can control what's going in your food. 100%. Yes, and I'm very concerned about supply chain issues in the next year or so.
34:01I really want to encourage people that if they have any space to put in a raised bed to grow something, grow it,  do it. And it's a learning process. So, you know, start this year, get better next year and master the third year. And then you'll be able to supply your own food for your family. Or at least part of it, you know? And if you can't, if you don't have room to grow all of it, and we don't, we wouldn't grow everything for our house.
34:28You can go visit the people who growing the things you're not growing and you can trade or you can buy. Trade and barter.  100%. Yes,  exactly. know, make a little community of people in your neighborhood who grow things and trade things back and forth and you'll be better off. Isn't it funny? We're going back to the old days.  I sure hope so.  Exactly. Maybe I'll be ride my horse to work someday. You never know. think. I love to ride.
34:58I think you should just on principle do it once.  Well, I'd have to convince them to make a tie post for me,  like a hitching post.  Put my horse.  Yeah, that could be, oh my boss. Oh, that would be hilarious.  You don't have a bike rack at work? Oh, that's no fun.  No, I don't think they do. It's out in the country. So no, it's, we're, yeah, we're pretty, not really rural, but.
35:26There's not a whole lot around your clinic. All right. Well, ladies, it's been 35 minutes. I try to keep this to half an hour, so I'm going to cut you loose. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Thank you for having us. Thank you for your time. Bye-bye.
 

Mary Loofah

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00:57It's still pretty cold. think it's probably 35, 40 degrees right now. Oh, yuck. No, thanks. But it's spring. It's coming tomorrow. They're saying we're supposed to 81. I'm like great. Thunderstorms tomorrow night for sure. Yeah, it's been a wild spring. We've had such shifts in weather and temperatures. I'm like, mother nature, if you could just find a moderate place to be for a week, I would be so thankful. That would be great. So.
01:27Anyway, I covered the weather. I try to do this at beginning of every episode because why not? And everything we do is so dependent on the weather. I figure it's a good way to start. So tell me about yourself and what you do at Mary Luffa and explain why it's Mary Luffa because Luffa is not your last name. Well, I am Mary McDowell and I...
01:50milk goats. So I never in a million years thought that I would milk goats.  I am a horse trainer and equestrian by first trade. And  I got into goats when I had my first child. He was six months old and I was breastfeeding exclusively. And I just stopped producing milk overnight.  Oh  no.  given reason whatsoever.
02:19And I was in a panic, of course.  And so what happened was we tried the formula thing and it was projectile vomiting and projectile diarrhea out of my six month old who had yet to sleep through the night once. Oh God. So  tired mama,  very tired, hungry baby. And our neighbor across the street just happened to have  a Nubian milking goat.
02:43that they were using to feed other baby goats. And they said, well, you can use her to milk if you want to try the goats milk. So we did, we milked her. I had never milked a goat. I hadn't really even raised goats before, but I got on YouTube as everyone does and learned all the things I could learn as quickly as I could. And so we started milking her and God bless her. was this, gentlest goat in the whole world.
03:12And so the first time we gave our son goat's milk, he slept through the night  and started to gain weight and he was just thriving on it. And so  we kept milking her. Well, once we were done feeding him milk and he was ready to switch over to regular food, we had to give the goat back because she wasn't ours. She was just on loan.  And so she  ended up going home.
03:41And I was like, you know, I really miss this goat's milk. So we ended up being gifted another dairy goat  and  one goat turned into over 30 goats.  And my main mission is I want a homestead  and I want to help other people who need help. Like women trying to feed their children healthy is my bread and butter. That is like my passion. Of course, I will sell milk to anybody who wants the milk.
04:10But that is where my heart really is, is I want to help people who were struggling like I was struggling when I couldn't find something that would work and quickly, you know what I mean? yeah.  So the name Mary Lutha to go to the other half of that is of course we have the goats milk, but we also  have so much milk that there is an abundance. So we had to do something. So I started making soap and all the body butters and the lotions and
04:40all the things that you can make with goat's milk, cheese, yogurt, you name it.  Well, at the time I had started growing luffas and I'm sure you know, but for any listeners who don't know, luffas are basically in the gourd family and they look like giant cucumbers while they're growing and then they dry and you've got this amazing cleaning tool inside. so  my husband was offhandedly joking saying, you should just
05:09make a little store, you know, like an eight by eight building in the backyard and call it Mary Lufa. And I just kind of laughed it off. I was like, yeah, I'm, never going to be selling anything at that level.  Well, fast forward seven years and we have a huge shop that I have  a commercial refrigerator in for all the milk and all the other things. And I have my soap making area in there and I sell all sorts of stuff. We have an online store.
05:39It has just grown so exponentially from what I could have ever imagined.  And so it was just this little idea that my husband offhandedly mentioned and we just rolled with it. You know, it was, was, it was great. And it's been wonderful. How fabulous. What a great story.  first go, did she have a name? Yes.  Yes. Oh shoot. Of course I'm not going to remember it now.
06:08Um, what was her name? Her children were Opal and Diamond. Let me think about this. Do you remember her name, Trenton? It wasn't Ruby, was it? It was Ruby!  Okay. figured with Diamond and Opal, maybe it was a gemstone. It was. It was a gemstone. That's how they got the names. Yes.  Ruby. Thank I think that Ruby deserves an honorable mention for-
06:35Basically saving your baby's life. That's fantastic. Definitely. if you've listened to the podcast at all, I love goats. do. I love baby goats the most because they're the sweetest and easiest things ever to hold and pet and think that they love you. Yes. So yeah, I don't want to go too far down the goat rabbit hole here or the goat hole or whatever we're going to call it because
07:03talked a lot about goats on the podcast. Oh yeah. But for the record,  love them. Do not own any. Do not want to own any. I just want to visit the babies in the springtime. That's all I want out of goats.  And  we have friends who have goats and I'm going to message her later today.  I already messaged her once today about are there any baby goats coming  and if the mama barn cat's doing okay because we're going to get some kittens from her when they come.
07:31I meant to ask her if they were going to have any goat's milk once babies come, because  that's what happens. Because I do want to try making goat milk. So we've never done it. We've done just the water and lye, not  the goat milk and lye. Yes, yes. Well, need to text It's super, super similar. I would just recommend freezing it in ice cubes  because it heats up so fast you can scorch your milk  very quickly. But if it's frozen...
07:58it's much easier to just dissolve your lye that way and your milk will just thaw rapidly. then as it's heating up. Nice. Okay, cool.  All right. So I'm so jealous that you can grow luffa gourds in Oklahoma because we don't have a long enough growing season here to grow them. We now have a greenhouse. So I'm going to ask my husband if he will try planting some in the greenhouse.  Cause I think if we can get
08:28through October in the greenhouse with them, we might actually get some we can use. Yeah, yeah. And they're not easy to grow here. It's kind of hit or miss, but my mom has a greenhouse, so we start them as early as possible and just  hope and pray that they make it through long enough. Yeah, I really, I want to grow them because at the farmer's market, like three towns north of us or northeast of us,
08:56There's a woman that makes soaps and she actually pours the soaps around the loofah.  So it's basically a scrubby with soap wrapped around it.  And I love those things. I just want to be able to make some of my own.  So we're going to try it this summer. I've just got to remind my  husband to pick up some seeds  and we'll see how it goes. And obviously we won't have them this year. We won't have the scrubbies this year, but we should have some next summer. That would be awesome.
09:24If it works because you know, it's always it's always a crap shoot on new stuff. You never know what's gonna grow and what is it?  Okay, so I was I don't know I was looking through people I was supposed to talk with this week and I swear somebody had on their Facebook page these cookies that looked like the little Debbie oatmeal cookies Is that you or am I thinking somebody else? That's not me. I do not bake
09:51I don't know who it was. I'm so mad. I got to go find this person because evidently it wasn't somebody I was supposed to interview this week. So I got to go find the Facebook page and be like, um, come talk to me. And number two, can you ship from wherever you are? Yes. She does. I know it was a her and she does sourdough and she makes her cookies with sourdough. Um, cast off. it cast off? Whatever it's called. Discard. Yes. Not cast.
10:20Where the hell did that come from?  Um,  Diz card, yes. And she makes these, these beautiful looking oatmeal cookies with like, I'm guessing it's probably cream cheese frosting in the middle or buttercream or something. And I was just drooling over this picture. I'm like, I want that in my life right now.  So, okay. So you don't bake. Okay. That's cool. Do you, do you buy baked goods from people who do bake? Yes, I do. I actually  barter for milk.
10:49for a lot of baked goods. And my husband,  he is not a Suzy homemaker by any stretch of the imagination, but he has recently decided since he's seen enough reels of people baking easily that he's gonna put a hand at it. And  he's actually not too bad, but he's so impatient. I'm not sure how long it'll last. That is so funny because you and I share the same first name. my husband makes the most
11:19fabulous yeast breads you will ever taste. So that is really funny that your husband's like, I'm going to try baking. Huh, crazy. But you don't live in Minnesota, so we can't be like in-person best friends. I'm so sad. That would be so fun. Yeah, it's okay. I have, I have friends here that I actually see and then I have all the new friends I make when I talk to people on the podcast. It's really kind of great. Yeah, that's awesome.
11:49So you have kiddos, right? Yes.  How many? I have two. Girls? I have a boy that's seven and I have a girl that's four. Okay. And are they, do they love the goats too? They do. They love kidding season. They love playing with the goats. I think my daughter has definitely picked up the  animal husbandry gene and my son is definitely going towards the engineer side of things.
12:17He'll run the tractor and the excavator and all the other things. He likes the mechanical side of everything, but I don't think he wants to be a farmer, but that's all right. And yet they say that boys and girls are not different. Ha! Imagine that. Uh-huh. Yeah. I have four. My daughter is the oldest. She's 35. Three boys after her. Youngest boy is 23. Oh, man. And she...
12:45The oldest one, the girl, she was very into makeup and getting like secondhand clothes at thrift stores and then  tearing them apart and putting them back together the way she wanted them to be.  And she was very fashionable. Like she would put an outfit together that she tore apart and put back together and come downstairs from her room. And I would be like, you did that? Oh my God. How gorgeous is that?
13:13And the boys wanted to play with trucks and be outside in the dirt and help dad grow plants in the garden.  So  I  do think that boys and girls definitely are drawn to different things. I really do. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. No, we need diversity.  % we need it.  Yup. that's all I got to say on that. I don't want to get my  listeners in a twist. That would not be good.
13:41So, time.  Let's just not make people mad right now. That would not be great.  Okay, so I looked at your Facebook page, not Facebook page, your website. your goats are gorgeous animals. My goodness. Thank you.  I was looking at the whole list of pictures that you have.  I was like, I want a goat dog because they just look like dogs to me for some reason.
14:11They act like dogs that just jump on the car instead of in the car.  Yeah, they're really pretty.  And I'm a sucker for a dog. Like, like I used to say I didn't want a dog. I just really loved other people's dogs. When I would go to visit them, they had a dog. The dog would realize I didn't really want a dog and it would come see me and hang out.  And then I got a dog. Now we have a dog and I love her to pieces. She's my fifth kid.  And so when I think about
14:41my friend that her parents raised goats when we were growing up. And the time I spent over at their place with the baby goats and the adult goats and just hanging out with her and the goats, it was like being around dogs, but they didn't bark. And I loved it. Yes. And my whole life, my whole life, I was like, I'm not in a position to get a dog as a pet. It's just not the time. And as soon as we decided to move to a place where we had land where that dog could be outside, we got a puppy.
15:11And I'm telling you, a puppy who turns into a really good, well-behaved dog is a little better than a goat sometimes.  They can at least tell you when strangers are there.  Oh, she's very, very good at that. She  has a very, I don't have the right word. She's an excellent watchdog is what she is.  What kind of dog is she?  She's an Australian Shepherd.  Oh, perfect. Yeah. So she
15:38It's so funny because we have friends that come  visit often enough that she recognizes their vehicles. Yes. And the minute she's always laying on the back of the couch, you know, looking out the window to make sure nothing's going on outside.  And the minute they turn into the driveway, she does this bay. She sounds like a beagle.  And then she barks. And I know that it's somebody that we know.  But if it's not somebody that we know, she does this really deep in her chest bark.
16:07And I'm like, oh no, who's here?  So, but  I keep telling my husband that we have enough room to get two goats  because we have 3.1 acres and we have, you got enough room for 10 goats. Yeah. The problem is he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to fence in the garden, the 100  by 150 foot garden. Yes. And if we got goats, he would have to fence in the garden.
16:36So right now it's a no, but I'm gonna try to drag him over to see the babies at my friend's house if they're coming this spring. I'm gonna try to get him hooked on what baby goats are like.  Be like, but they're pretty much the same the whole time they're alive. They don't really change from baby goats.  Well, at least when they're 160 pounds, they don't still jump on you like the babies do. That's helpful because those babies are crazy.
17:05They're so crazy.  I feel like I need a taser half the time. I'm like, y'all, settle down.  Yeah, um, puppies get zoomies. Goats get zoomies on steroids. Yes, yes, you're correct.  It's the cutest thing though. My goodness. Oh yes, they are adorable. It's sickening. It's sickening how cute they are.  Okay, so, so goats, luffas, luffagords.
17:34Do you actually grow a garden as well? Yeah, I do. I would not call myself a great gardener, but I sure give it a old school try.  We usually just plant things that we want to eat and sometimes  it's successful and sometimes it's not super successful.  We  mainly do like cucumbers and tomatoes.
18:00onions and potatoes, know, the staples for our household anyways. And I try to do  another technique every year to see what works  great. You know, I can pretty much throw tomatoes and cucumbers in the ground and have something grow and have a pretty decent season of it. But a lot of other things like I can't do bell peppers and we
18:25eat the heck out of bell peppers and the lettuce, it just turns bitter on me or bolts, you know? So it's a, I think it's a time management and pest management because we do everything organically that we can.  So  it's a struggle, but I still  try it and the kids love to pick the bugs off the plants every night. So that's helpful too.  That's really good that they want to help. That's awesome. The thing we discovered with bell peppers is that,
18:53The potato beetles that you can get, they like pepper plants too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, great. That's awesome. Yeah. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. Yeah. And we try really hard here with our garden to not use any pesticides.  But the second summer we were here when my husband was growing potatoes, came in and he was like, there's these little bugs all over the potato plants.
19:18And I said, did you take a picture? Because he knows if he takes a picture, I'm probably gonna be able to tell him what the thing is that he's asking about.  And he said, yeah. And I said, well, show me the picture and maybe I can tell you what the bug is. And he pulls out his phone and I look and I'm like, oh, those are potato beetles. And he's like, how do we get rid of them? I said, you're not gonna like the answer. He said, oh no. And I said, yeah. said,  I will call my dad and ask him.
19:45but I think he used to use sevens powder and it's not a great thing, but  it will take care of them right away.  And it basically washes off when it rains and then it's gone. It's not gonna hurt anybody to eat the potatoes. And he was like, okay. So I talked to my dad and my dad was like, that's what I used. And it took like  one application as soon as I saw the bugs and then they were gone. He said, it's not gonna hurt anything.
20:12like, okay, so told my husband he used sevens powder that one summer.  We haven't had potato bugs since. Wow. So we felt really bad about doing it because we really want to grow things as organically as we can. Yeah, sure. But when you're going to lose 25 potato plants.  Well, and you're going to lose them rapidly. Yeah. Yeah, it's they're extremely invasive.  Uh huh. They're awful. I hate those little bugs.
20:41Yeah. Okay. So cool that you're growing some stuff for your family to eat and for you to eat. That's great. So I want to talk about the benefits of goat's milk because I know it's really good for you to actually drink or have in cheese or ice cream or whatever. Yeah. But it's also really good for your skin. Thank you, Beakman Boys for teaching me that. Beakman 1802. I don't know if you know who I'm talking about.
21:08Oh, okay. Well, they're these famous guys, they're a couple and they were on the Amazing Race and they started a business basically on goat milk soap.  Oh, okay.  And it's become this big beauty  industry thing.  And  I don't know enough about them to keep talking about them. But anyway, that's how I learned about the fact that goat milk is really good for your skin. And there are reasons for that. Do you know the reasons for that? Well, you've got
21:38You've got all these probiotics, prebiotics, and even postbiotics  in your goat's milk, which is never going to hurt your skin.  depending on what your goats are consuming, you're also getting those nutrients  into your milk. So anything you add topically, not just drinking, is going to benefit the skin  significantly and the moisture content. It it shoots your homemade soap through the roof.
22:06If you can add the milk.  I would say as far as a drinking benefit, you've got all sorts of vitamins and minerals packed in there. And  I'm sure you know this, but the main difference between the goat's milk and the cow's milk  is the lactose levels. So there's only about 7 % less lactose in goat's milk, which doesn't sound like a whole lot, but it's obviously super significant since
22:36lactose intolerant people can generally tolerate goat's milk.  And I'm not sure if that,  scientifically, if that has anything to do with the skin side of things where it benefits that, but it is just an overall healthier  milk to drink. And I'm all for raw cow's milk as well.  But it's just a little bit easier on the stomach. And it is the third closest thing to human breast milk.
23:05second only to camel's milk and then of course the breast milk. So  it's just, it's packed with nutrients and it's easy, it's easily digested. And that's why you can feed goats milk to any species  as infants. like baby cows,  I've had people feed their baby squirrels, you name it. Obviously human babies can drink it, you know, and it is, it's a universal feeder.
23:35Yeah, and I don't know a lot of people raising camels for camel milk. So I'm quite sure the goat is a lot more handy to get to come by.  Absolutely. Absolutely. And the overhead for feeding the animal is  way lower.  We actually looked into camel farming at one point just as a,  know, just to  just to look around, know, and the price to start your camel farm was in the tens of thousands just to get the animal, you know, they're not
24:05common here in the States like they are  in the Middle East or even in Australia where they're actually a nuisance. Yeah. Yeah. So they're an invasive species  in some places. So yeah, it was  not something we could do, but it was fun to look at anyways. Yeah. Why not? I  mean, the more you know, the more you know, right? Yes, exactly.
24:30And  the other problem with camels that I have read about and heard about and I keep thinking that maybe I'm wrong is that camels tend to be a little more attitudinal than goats.  Oh very much so yeah they can be quite aggressive  and just finicky. Yeah the camel spitting is not a joke. Yeah  and they're so big. mean  you get an angry camel running at you, you want to get the hell out of the way real quick.  That's right.
25:00It's like, don't, it's like, um, there's a old joke about  being in a field with a bull and, and I don't know what the joke is now I think about it, but something about, only have to run faster than the person running behind me. Yes. Same thing with camels, I would guess. Yes. Okay.  Um, all right. What else do I got? I don't know why I'm being so silly. It's afternoon. That's probably why.  Um,
25:28I don't know what else to ask you. What's the future look like for you guys? I don't know what the future holds, to be honest. I mean, we want to definitely keep on the trajectory of getting as much milk out as possible.  And I would love to  grow my soap side of things.  I pretty much stay sold out of milk week to week. There's usually a waiting list, but I can always
25:54you know, squeeze in, I just need a gallon here or there and whatnot.  But I'd love to just keep growing the soap side and body care side of things  of the business. And we're just on  4.9 acres  that we live on. And my parents,  we're in Oklahoma, but my parents are from Dallas  and
26:21They just moved up here a few years ago and they bought 80 acres across the street. they  live there and that's where we keep like our male goats  so that the milk doesn't start to smell like bucks  in fall. I can just kind of rotate and I can rotate the does over there when they're done milking and they have a chance to just kind of rest and the pastures here can rest and.
26:49things like that and it's just a new set of scenery. I think it's good for everybody mentally after a long season of milking. Yeah, that's phenomenal that your parents moved in right across the street. That's great. Yeah, it was a God thing for sure.  absolutely.  So when you make your goat milk soap, do you use like essential oils or what?
27:13Yeah, so I use essential oils and I do use manufactured  fragrances  from big name suppliers  for soap making  and then I of course have a line of unscented for sure and I do  a line of natural colored soaps and some that have like the manufactured micas and pigments and things like that.
27:38But I try and be a little bit diverse with as much of it as I can. If you want to be hyper crunchy, I've got a bar for you. If you're not on the crunchy train as much, I've got a bar for you too. Nice. It's so much fun to have that freedom to experiment with all of it. Yes, absolutely. We screwed up. I can't remember if it was last summer or the summer before, but we got some pumpkin spice scented fragrance oil.
28:07for soaps.  And I swear to you, the two kinds we got, I read  the stuff, the information before we ordered it. And I swear I thought that it was skin safe.  Not so much. So we have, I literally am sitting in my bedroom where my desk is and we have a soap drying rack up on  the bump out.  And it's got one batch of one kind and one batch of the other, the pumpkin spice scented stuff.
28:37And they have sat there since we made them because we don't know what to do with them. They smell good, but  the only thing you really use them for is hand washing.  I wouldn't recommend you use it on your body skin, you know?  right.  So that was a mistake. Luckily, we only made one batch of each  and the bottles have sat in the cupboard since we bought it. But  you ought to make pumpkin spice candles.  Oh, we do. Oh, good. OK.
29:06We do. We're going to make some of those again this summer for  this fall. Yes.  and stuff. But I was so bummed. was like,  um, those aren't skin safe. After my husband had made the soap and it was, it was sitting doing this upon a vacation process.  And he said, excuse me. And I said, look, it says it on the bottle. And he's like, how did you miss that? I said, I have no idea.  He says, well, he says, can we use it for candles or?
29:35wax melts and I was like, yes. He said, okay, good. said, cause that was like, that's, that could have been an expensive mistake. I wonder if you like  graded the soap down into a wax melt, if it would still put off the scent. Oh, I'm sure it would. But you probably do that. You got nothing to lose.  No, no, they're just sitting here looking like.
30:01you know, regular old soap bars and I'm like, we can't do anything with those.  So gotta figure it out. But yeah, I'm sure.  I actually, I'm quite sure that if we just cut it into little blocks and put it in a wax melter, it would probably do the same thing. Yeah, probably over time for sure. And it would be the cleanest wax melting container ever. That's right.  So yeah, but that's
30:25That's part of joy of this lifestyle. You try things and sometimes it goes really well. And other times you make a mistake and you're like, what, how can I make that no longer a mistake? How can I turn it into something else? Yes, exactly. That is the beauty of it.  And, things, but just the amount of things you learn that you can use  off the homestead too. I mean, we, we have learned how to use so many different tools in this lifestyle and our, just our arsenal.
30:55and tool bags  of,  I can fix this. Oh, I can cook that. I can make this. You know,  it's, just pretty incredible. This lifestyle is just so eye-opening and it just makes real like, it's like a modern day pioneer. You have to make things work when they don't seem like they can work. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna  quibble a titch. If you're lucky, you don't have to make it work, but you want to make it work. Yeah.
31:26Absolutely. Cause if you have to, that has a whole different feel than want to. Yes. Yes, for sure. For sure. It's like we bought a, um, a riding lawnmower that could be used as a tractor  used  and,  it worked for a little while and then stuff went wrong with it. And  my husband was like, okay, here's the two choices. And I said, all right, I'm ready. He said,  I can keep working on this tractor to try to make it work.
31:55and it's really too small for what we need it for. He said, or he said, we can leave it and I can tinker with it in my spare time. He said, and we can actually buy a Kubota tractor that we can use to plow the driveway and to  turn the compost pile and blah, blah. And I was like, let's just get the Kubota tractor and you can tinker with the old fashioned little lawnmower tractor when you're ready. He's like, okay, yeah, that's probably smart.  So.
32:22There are choices to be made here and sometimes the old fashioned stuff is fantastic.  Other times you need the thing to work now. Exactly. Yes. And that's the nice thing about being in the  21st century is we have that luxury in most of the areas that we live in. And so it can it can be at well let's  put this one to the back burner and go to something that's going to get it done. Yeah. And sometimes that's got to happen.
32:51If it isn't a gotta happen now thing, you can screw around with stuff and be creative and ingenious and it works sometimes.  So, all right, Mary, it's been over half an hour. It's been a joy to chat with you. I had a really good time. Thank you for your time and I hope you have a wonderful weekend because tomorrow is Friday. It might as well be the weekend.  Absolutely. Thank you so much, Mary, for having me on and I hope to chat with you again sometime.
 
 

Farmhouse 302

Today I'm talking with Diana at Farmhouse 302. You can follow on Facebook as well.
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00:29share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Diana at Farmhouse 302 in Delaware. Good morning, Diana. How are you? Good morning. I'm very well. How about yourself?
00:42I'm good.  It is a beautiful sunny day again in Minnesota. And I say again, because it doesn't happen days in a row all the time.  What's it like in Delaware today? It's sunny today, but it's cold. When I woke up this morning, it was 28 degrees.  But it's sunny and I'm glad to see the sun.
01:03Yeah, me too. I really love it. And I'm going to say this again, I've said it a couple of times lately. When I sit at my desk to record the podcast, there's a window to my right and the sunlight just streams in that window. So I get to sit here and just look at this beautiful stream of light through the window while I'm talking to people. It's really nice.  Oh,  that's wonderful. So for half an hour, I get to look at sunlight.  It's kind of a beautiful thing, especially when
01:31Especially when we are known to have three or four days in a row of clouds and then it's like, ah, the sun came back. Thank you. Okay. So this, this episode is going to be what I'm labeling a topics adjacent  episode because you're not a homesteader, but you curate and sell things that homesteaders used to use. So I really want to hear about what you do, Awesome.  Where would you like me to start?
02:01Where would you like me to start as far as like how I got where I am  or? Yes. Yes. That yes. Well, I'm not. I'm just going to jump right in. I I just turned 60  and I grew up on a farm on a hundred acre farm in Delaware.  And  my grandfather was a mechanic for the Pennsylvania Railroad.
02:29and he was their fix-it man.  Any part that broke, he could manufacture it, he  fixed anything. And I grew up on the farm with my grandparents.  And  my mother  was born  in 1931, so she grew up during the Depression. So I got firsthand knowledge on how to use something until there was no youth left.
02:57Um, I grew up learning how to fix tractors, fix lawnmowers.  Um, we had,  basically, I mean, where I lived, even though Delaware is small at that time, it was podunk. Like I lived out in the boonies, so to speak.  And,  um,  I guess you could say we were kind of homesteaders because we had a full garden.  Um,
03:26We had cherry trees, had apple trees, pear trees, we had blueberries, blackberries,  and we had geese and ducks and all kinds of animals. So that's kind of how I grew up. I learned how to fix things  for  their purpose and just kind of grew up knowing.
03:54how to use old fashioned hand tools and all that. So that was sort of like, I don't know, I guess the roots of my beginning.  I was always, I was like,  for lack of a better word, I was a feral child that grew up in the woods on a farm.  And I was always a crafter. I was always making something. And a lot of it was,
04:23You know, I drag home,  you know, sticks and brambles and  grapevines. And I was making wreaths and like when I was like 12 years old, I was always  bringing something. So it's sort of like  been on. Organic path for me.  So I,  I grew up at crafting and painting and making and all of that. And then I met a boy and he was.
04:53We were in high school  and  fast forward, we've been together 40 years.  And of course we got married. have two fantastic boys.  One lives here in Delaware and the other one  broke my heart and moved to Tennessee.
05:18And,  um,  there, they took a lot of our time, you know, so of course I had to move into the corporate world. got a job, you know, the whole kitten to bootle. My husband's a contractor. was in banking forever. And then I was just like, one day I was like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. I just, I simply cannot do this anymore. And he goes, so quick. So I quit  and just started, you know,
05:47painting furniture  and selling it out of my house, paint furniture, post it online, sell it out of my house. And then it got  word of mouth and it just kind of grew from there. I  had done a couple of like  shows, like cramp shows. And then I had the opportunity to move into a brick and mortar building.  So that's, and I've been here now.
06:15for six years.  And I  keep going.  Tell me about that building because I read a little bit about it on your website.  Oh,  well, the building is a two story farmhouse. It was built in the late  1800s.  It was part of a very large dairy farm in the area.  They raised nine kids in this house, seven girls and two boys.
06:44And the patriarch of the house  was the  agricultural representative for downstate Delaware.  So  he was  pretty prominent in the political  sense of the word.  So he  made sure that all of his kids got a farm, a small farm at here.
07:14And many of them have since passed away because the oldest girl that lived in this house died a couple of years ago and she was like 93, 94 years old when she passed. So I frequently get people that come in going, oh, my aunt lived here. This was my great grandmother's place. Or I knew the girls that lived here. it's just so, so nice to hear all the little stories from everybody that have
07:44been in the house when it was a home, when it was a home. The family still owns the property. We rent the building. we've sort of, we just get a lot of people that are just amazed when they walk in, they just were like, wow, we didn't know this was here. Or some people will say, oh, we thought it was a restaurant.
08:14all kinds of walks of life that come in and they're just amazed at the building  and uh okay yeah okay family still owns it all right so farmhouse 302  is like an antique shop story yes correct yes
08:32Okay, so I have questions about this. And thank you for all that information because I love old houses and when people rent or own an old house, like, I gotta know a little bit about the house.  So  I looked at your  website and I looked at your Facebook page and you have the coolest old stuff for sale. But you also make tables. You make tables.  I...
09:00I love tables because I use them for desks. Like if I could collect tables, I would. If I had room, I would just have like 17 desks. So do you make the tables or do you your husband make the tables? Who makes the tables? My husband builds them and I make them pretty. So yeah, we made my son, actually it
09:28started when my son came to me when he was getting married and he's like, I'd like this as a wedding gift. And he shows us a picture like that he had  gotten from someplace and we want a table like this. Do you think you could make it? My husband's like, yeah, I can make it. So  the fantastic carpenter that he is, he  made the table  and  then I just collaborated with them. Like they customized the adling. How do you want it? What colors do you want?
09:57So we worked that all out and we made the table and that was their wedding gift from us. And then I posted pictures online and then everybody's like, oh, I need a table, I need a table.  So  we've  made a couple.  It's not like we have a, like we turn them out at a shop. We have people that come in and say, hey, I saw that you made farm tables. Can you make me one?  We actually had a gentleman, we're working on another one  now at the moment.
10:25We had a gentleman that bought one from us  four years ago, four  or five years ago, he bought a table and sadly his house was destroyed by fire.  And  he came back to us and he said, hey, can you guys build me another table like the one you did? So we're like, absolutely. So we're in the process of  doing that, only it's gonna be a different color scheme because he's, you know.
10:51change the color of his flooring and the walls in his house and everything after rebuilding. So that's cool. But yeah, we make  all kinds of tables.  Yeah, that's really sweet that he came back and wanted you to make another one. That's fantastic.  Okay.  So part of the reason I want to talk to you is because I have a couple stories that I felt like I could share with you.  Back  when my husband and I lived at the old house, we
11:18My life is before and after. Before we lived in a little tiny house and not a tiny house, but a small house. Now we live in a big house like 1600 square feet, which feels huge compared to the house we owned. back when I lived in the old house,  there was this really cute antique shop down the street from where we lived. And we would go in there like once a month just to see what people had brought in to sell.
11:46This is where the homesteading part comes in because they had this old revere ware percolator, know, coffee percolator. And it had all the parts, Diana, all the parts were there. was usable.  And I bought it.  Yeah, no, no, no, no  No cord. was one you actually use over open flame.  Oh, that kind. Oh, awesome.  Yeah. And, um,
12:13We didn't have a generator at the old house. So when the power went out, the power was out. But what we did have was a gas stove and you could still use the gas stove even if the power was out. So if the power went out in the winter time, I had a percolator because if I have coffee, I can do anything. So  I this percolator.  I'd never used one before in my life and I learned how to use it.  And percolator coffee is completely different tasting than  the kind you get from the coffee maker you plug into the wall, I swear.
12:42That was really cool. And  this percolator had to have been at least 50 years old. mean, I love this thing. I still have it. And they also had a coffee grinder, the one where you pour the coffee into the top and you turn the handle to grind the coffee.  And I was like,  I said to the lady behind the counter, said, could we still actually use this to grind coffee? And she said, well, she said, if you take it apart and clean it,
13:13and then put it back together and run seesaw through it so it has something to catch anything on the gears.  She said it should be fine. And so we brought it home, we cleaned it,  I painted it because it was kind of yucky on the outside  and I still have that too. And so if my coffee grinder breaks, I have one that actually is a manual coffee grinder.  And then the other thing that I'm sure you see at your shop is the traidel sewing machines. Do you see those?
13:45And spinning wheels. Yes, spinning wheels are amazing. We bought a traidel sewing machine that still worked back when we lived in the old place. And the thing that's wonderful about those machines is they're made to handle leather and denim and really thick material. And so my husband, who I swear he was a housewife in a former life, he loves to bake and he loves to sew.
14:13So he  figured out how to make that thing go and he made us quilted curtains for our bedroom in the old house because it was so  drafty. So yeah, all these things that you see on a daily basis, we actually  used and still  use even though they're really old and they're not the newest fanciest ways to do it.  I personally, prefer older ones
14:43Because they're built better  and they're just, you know, they've stood the test of time. And  I personally think that they're constructed  out of better materials and it's better quality. So if I have the option to buy new or if I can get an older one,  I'm getting an older one.  Because I just, I don't know, I just live in that.
15:09sweet spot,  I guess you could say.  You know, and I try to,  and there's things that we have in here  over  the years. There's been things that we've had in here  that when,  you know, mom comes in and she brings the kids and the kids are like, you know, young teenagers and they'll, what is that?  So I like  to puzzle them.
15:35And, well, what do you think it would be used for? Look at it and examine it and you tell me what you think it would be. You know, we've had telephones in here, you know, that have the rotary dial and the little, little kids are like, what is that? And they're amazed with things like that. And the old fashioned, I guess you could say the old fashioned ice cube trays. Now, I will say I prefer, I prefer if I'm going to choose a
16:03refrigerator, I would like it to have an ice maker because of the old fashioned aluminum trays that you put in the refrigerator and you have wait for the water to freeze, then you got to pull that lever back. Yeah, I'm that old. Oh, yeah, no, know what you're talking about. Yeah. So, I mean, we've had things in here and I don't think anything's come in that I've been completely
16:32Huzzled by.  I mostly because I you know I just feel like I've had just like a lot of life experience like living you know with my grandparents on the farm and going to antique  you know shows and  flea markets and  all that.  Yeah  I seek out the old stuff we have in here we've got some. Cast iron pans and some.
17:02old aluminum  like big I've got one really big soup I call it a soup pot it's a big aluminum pot  and you just don't see the quality you know in this stores anymore so find the good find the good old stuff use that
17:22Yeah, the cast iron pans.  I love the small ones. The great big honking frying pans are so heavy. They're too heavy. I have trouble with those because I'm trying to maneuver it and it's too heavy.  My husband and my son  love that pan. We have the biggest frying pan, cast iron. And they're like, we're going to make donuts. And they're like,
17:50They're like, can we just do it in the big  cast iron frying pan? Is it deep enough? I was like, yeah.  Yeah, you can. And we also have the big, you know, not the big, big, but the big  Dutch oven cast iron pan too that's deeper. Oh yeah, they're nice.  They ended up making donuts in that and that was probably smarter because, you don't have to worry about the oils splashing out the side or anything. It's a little deeper. But cast iron...
18:18Yeah, cast iron is great. It's just so freaking heavy to deal with. I've got one pan  on a personal note. I've got one pan, one cast iron pan that I got from my mother that belonged to my father's father.  Maybe he's great. I actually had,  I had taken pictures of it and sent it to like a cast iron expert that's here in the Philadelphia area.
18:47And he said easily that pan is probably late 1700s, early  1800s. which  fits the bill because  my father was older.  My father was born in 1920.  And  yeah.  And he grew up in Brooklyn in the city. So imagine city boy coming from Brooklyn down to a little podunk farm in Delaware.
19:16Um,  yeah. And his parents were older. I know his dad, think his grandfather, his father was born in like late 1800s. So it's kind of fit that, you know, I'm like, yeah, okay. It makes sense. So, know, that cast iron pan would be that old, but that can't, that pan's my baby.  That pan is my baby.  Um, but, uh, that's history right there.  Yeah, absolutely. Cause you know, I sent it off to pictures of it to him and he  gave me like the information on it and.
19:46Yeah, I was really happy about that and that was awesome.  Yeah, and that's the great thing about cast iron because as long as it's not cracked  or dented  and you can  dent cast iron, it's hard to do, but you can do it.  You can always strip and re-season cast iron pans. I mean, they're meant to live forever. Yeah, and you can use soap  to clean it.  It's just that back in the day,
20:14They didn't want you use soap because soap was made mostly of lye. So it would strip a lot of the seasoning off. But today's like you can use  Dawn dish liquid, you know, to clean your cast iron.  It's perfectly, perfectly fine.  Yeah, I really trust this guy. I've not met him, but we've had several conversations  because he's like in like I said, in the Philadelphia area and he has a whole, you know,
20:39Facebook, YouTube, Facebook page, about TikTok, all about like how to take care of your cast iron.  yeah. saying is, the saying is if you take care of your cast iron, your cast iron will take care of you. Absolutely.  Yep.
20:57I actually love it. just don't like washing it after when it's the big pan because I'm like, honey, can you move this pan over the sink for me? And he's like, never mind, I will just do it. I'm like, okay, you do it.  weighs 90 pounds empty. Yeah,  it's I can't believe how heavy it is. It's crazy.  So we have like 10 minutes left and  I want to know whether you go and
21:23find the stuff you want to sell in your store or if people just bring it to you and they're like, can you sell this?
21:32A little bit of  little bit of both on the way our structure is set up is I have vendors  which I've got one husband and wife couple where they go out  and they procure their own  items and they bring them in and they rent space. So they have like we have the farmhouse has a porch has a side porch a very long side porch. It's like wall to wall windows. It's probably one of my favorite spaces in the building.
22:01And they go out and procure their items. get them at estate sales, yard sales, sometimes Facebook Marketplace, can find things wherever they can find their items. And they kind of do the same thing. They will refurbish the furniture.  And they're always on the lookout for like unique items. So they bring their items in and they
22:29set them up in their space and then how we're and I have vendors throughout the building.  And they pay rent  and a small commission.  I don't make any money off of my vendors. The money that I make is from the items that I refurbish and I sell.  But they my vendors all pay rent  and the rent pays the house rent and then the  small commission goes towards  operating expenses, know, the electric.
22:59Insurance  credit card fees that kind of thing. So  and everybody has their own little  style. So it's a really nice eclectic  unique mix  of  vintage items hand a lot of handmade items  carefully procured items throughout the building.  And I think that with you know and then when you come into the building and you want to you want to visit I can
23:29regular customers that just pop in and they're like, hey, I just want you to say hi. And then I get people that say, hey, I just wanted to grab a cup of coffee because I have a coffee station here. I have free coffee. have free hot tea and free bottle water. So it's just the whole I come from a customer service background with banking. That's what I did for like almost 30 years was customer service. And I wanted the building to just give you a big warm
23:58hug as soon as you walk in. We've got a wood stove that's operational.  You know, we have the chimney people come out and check and it's fine. It's absolutely fine. It's a  really nice wood stove. So in the winter we have the wood stove going. People come in, they're like, oh,  ah, it's like a whole big conversation,  you know, around the wood stove. And then I'm like, hey, fix yourself a cup of coffee, grab some coffee, grab some hot tea, bottle of water, you know, and I just want that immersive
24:28big warm hug, you know, when people come in the building and that's, you know, probably why we've been voted the best downstate gift shop in Delaware for the last five years. there's a local magazine called Delaware Today. they every year, I don't know how many years they've been doing it probably since inception, but they do, they put it out to the people.
24:57And they say, we want you to vote. We want you to vote for your favorite restaurant, your favorite nail salon, your favorite hair salon, your favorite store. And it's, up to the people. So the people will go in and they vote  for who they want to win. for the last. Well, we've been here for six years. We won  our first year, didn't win at the second year, but have won it every year since. So.
25:25I just think that big warm hug is one of the reasons and our really super cool merchandise because we've got really nice stuff.  It just, you know, that's why we get voted  best downstate gift shop and what keeps coming people coming back.  And keeps you wanting to do it. So that's awesome.  Yeah. So my,  my last question, I guess, probably not. There will be another one, but we're going to say it's my last question.
25:54When people come in and they see something that reminds them of a grandparent or a great grandparent,  do you get to hear their stories? Are they like, oh my God, my grandma had this thing and sitting in front of them? Yeah.  A lot of times  I do hear that.  A lot of ladies will come through and say, oh my gosh, I had that when I was a kid. Like I just picked up at an auction this weekend.  You may remember.
26:22Some of the people out there will probably remember, and I think they still make the cootie game where you had to like roll the dice and put the little cootie bugs together. Well, I got one. It's a vintage one. So I just picked that up and  we open on Friday. So I'll be putting that out on the floor today or tomorrow. And I'm just waiting to hear somebody like,  oh, I used to play with that because honestly, it was one of my favorite games growing up because I was, like I said, a feral child. I was always dragging home.
26:52snakes and bugs and injured animals and just all kinds of stuff. So the cootie game was always one of my favorites.  Yeah, we've got that.  people that come in looking for older kitchen utensils,  they say, oh, I've been looking for one of these.  the things that are making a comeback are like  juice, like the glass juicers for like orange juice or lemon juice.
27:23glass refrigerator  containers. So  they have been selling  because people are looking to get away from the plastics and all that. So they're looking for that. And of course, the pyrex stuff is hot. But I don't get a lot of that because I don't have a vendor. don't have any vendors that like that's their lane. Like every once in while I'll get I'll get a couple pieces, you know, of jadeite that's, you know, that's  beautiful and it's usable.
27:52and get pieces of Fire King and Pyrex and things like that. All that hot, catchy stuff right now.  And  we've got a couple of quilts,  handmade quilts. I got one that's the fabrics from the  40s.  And then just,  I've got a lot of cookbooks,  which I think homesteaders are really keen on.
28:17Cookbooks,  but a of them are local. So a lot of them are like regional and because we live in the, in the peninsula of Delaware,  Maryland, Pennsylvania and Virginia, there's a lot of like,  get a lot of seafood,  um, recipes and,  um,  local fare like out here, Scrapple. don't know if you ever heard of it out there, but Scrapple here is like, have, yes. Yep. A staple. It's like a Delaware staple.  Um, I
28:47And there's a couple of local places that make it.  think I might have one book that's got a recipe for like German Scrapple, but I'm like,  now I'll buy mine already made. Yeah, recipe books and  pictures. Like there's lots of things that like trigger nostalgia for a lot of my customers. Yeah.
29:13Okay, actually that wasn't my last question, but this one is, because we're rolling toward 30 minutes. What's your favorite thing that you've ever seen in your store that came in?
29:26Ah.
29:30Or most surprising, I guess.  I got a piece of furniture in that we... This was probably about two years ago.  Yeah, I would say he's probably, and I call him a he because I gave him a name.  We were looking at an online auction that was a farm out in Maryland.
30:00there was this piece of furniture in there literally in the barn just  covered with dirt and dust and muck and  yeah.  And we bid on it  and I think we paid like $5 for it.  But  you could not gauge the size of this piece of furniture until you got there and we got there and it was huge.
30:29Absolutely  huge. we're like, okay, so we got it loaded up, we  brought it back to the farmhouse.  And we have a little barn that's out here.  Our barn is not to get off tangent, but our barn here  is sort of like an iconic staple in Delaware, where the barn is painted red, white and blue and has stars on it. And it's been in
30:57magazines and  country life magazine. posted a picture. They were asking for people pictures of their barn and country life magazine  picked it up and they're like, oh, on our Facebook page and they're like, oh, we love it. But we get people that stop, take pictures. They want their prom pictures taken car pictures. They want their car pictures taken in front of it, but it's just a little barn. It's painted red, white and blue and it has stars on it. So,  but it also  doubles as our shop.
31:26So we brought the piece of furniture home, put it out by the barn, and  we started taking it apart  and  learned that it was probably every bit of 250 years old, just from the wood, the construction, the nails, like everything.  We  had to take it apart to fix a couple of little things. And then  he sort of took on his own personality. I know people, there's a lot of people out there that don't like painted furniture, but.
31:55some things have to be painted because it's just the amount of repair work that you have to do. You've got to camouflage it a little bit. But it was a very, very  light coat of paint.  And it was, it was big. And I brought him in and I gave him a name and I named him Merta because I'm a huge fan of Outlander and I'm like, everybody needs a Merta. So  I  brought him in and a lady drove three hours to buy him.
32:22And  she had been looking and looking and looking and looking for a piece of furniture that was that size. And we were fortunate enough, you know, sometimes it's a gamble. You bring something in, you think it's going to sell in a hot minute and it sits there and it doesn't. But  Merta found a new home in Pennsylvania and he was just,  it was probably one of my favorite pieces that I've worked on because it was absolutely gorgeous. So what was it? What was the furniture?
32:51Oh, I'm sorry. It was  like a buffet. It was like huge buffet.  I had to replace the knobs on it  and I used these like  root beer colored  amber glass knobs that I replaced it with and I gave him  like a black  paint wash so it had a very  old world tavern look to him.
33:20and we were gonna paint the top and the top had a crack going right down the middle. And when we sanded it all down, you know, I was like, I don't know. I left the crack because I loved it. And all I did was just put a clear coat, a clear coat on it. And it just, it all came together. Everything came together. But he had a big long drawer in the front. No, three drawers in the front. It was all curvy and he had like drawers and doors and it was, was.
33:49It was a big piece of I just,  organically, he just turned out so handsome. Just, I just, it's probably to date one of my very favorites.  I'm so glad you had a favorite because I was afraid you're going be like, I can't choose. That's like choosing my favorite child.  So, all right, Diana, I'm so glad you came to talk to me because this was really fun. love.
34:16I love old fashioned stuff and I don't really get to talk about it very often. So this was a joy. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Well, thanks for reaching out. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Have a great day. You too. Take care. Bye.
 

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Today I'm talking with Joanna at Majestic Acres Homestead.
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00:00You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters, and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis.  A Tiny Homestead podcast is sponsored by Homegrown Collective, a free-to-use farm-to-table platform emphasizing local connections with ability to sell online, buy, sell, trade in local garden groups, and help us grow a new food system.  You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe.
00:29share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Joanna at Majestic Acres Homestead in Texas. Good morning, Joanna. How are you? Good morning. How are you doing?  I'm good. What's the weather like in Texas?  Today it's cloudy and overcast. Yesterday we reached 90 degrees. So summer is not far off. We were already sweating and we were feeling it yesterday. Wow. OK.
00:55Here in Minnesota, there's still frost on the dead grass outside and it's really bright and sunny.  And my husband informed me this morning before he left for work that we're supposed to hit 81 degrees on Friday. Wow, that sounds crazy for you guys, I guess.  Yeah.  I said, are the seedlings in the greenhouse going to fry? And he said no. He said he would open the door and...
01:23We have two doors, so there's a cross breeze through there. So he's going to open the doors before he leaves for work on Friday. And that way they don't die because that would be  terrible.  weather report done.  And tell me about yourself and Majestic Acres Homestead. OK, so we are a family run homestead out in Paradise, Texas.  It actually is called Paradise. I get the joke a lot.
01:49of, know, are you actually from Paradise? Like, I'm like, yes, that is a town  that we  live in. It's a five acre homestead.  And we do all things.  We do  chicken, sourdough.  I make my own vanilla extract.  We're gonna  be doing  meat chickens, honey bees.  We have goats, sheep,  turkeys.  So kind of just a whole variety of things going on here.
02:16We are new to homesteading. We probably started about two years ago.  We are kind of your typical suburban people that got tired of living in, you know, a cookie cutter  neighborhood and wanted to venture out and try new things and,  you know, really  give,  you know, self-sustainability  a chance. And it has been wonderful.  Nice.
02:44I  get the joke about Paradise, Texas because there is a town  in Minnesota called Embarrass.  I have never been there. way up north.  I don't know how I would feel about living in a town named Embarrass. That would be interesting.  Paradise  is probably better than that. Yes, absolutely. It's about,  I would say, an hour outside of DFW Metroplex Dallas-Fort Worth.
03:12So we're close enough to the city, but far, far away enough that you still get that country feel. And, you know, there's not so much hustle and bustle and traffic around here. Yeah. So  did you always want to do this or is this something you guys just came to  after living in the cookie cutter suburbanite lifestyle? We started talking about it probably after my husband's last deployment. So probably about five, six years ago.
03:40And we kind of started thinking about what do we want from our family? What are our goals?  And country life and just  developing new skills and venturing out from what we were used to was definitely a goal for us.  I am not  from the country. I am a northern girl. I am born and raised  in Delaware, right outside of Philadelphia. So this is a whole new aspect to me.
04:07But we definitely wanted this for  us, for our children. We wanted them to be exposed to this and develop skills and  essential knowledge. We all know that the world right now is kind of uncertain. We don't really know what our future kind of entails.  today's society, the kids are just so plugged into their phones and social media. And we just wanted  something different for  our kids.
04:33That's kind of where we, that's kind of where the idea came from. And we just started, you know, researching and spend hours of, you YouTube videos. I think the first one that we watched that we really enjoyed was, it was Off Grid with Doug and Stacey. And I really enjoyed them and just watching what they were doing, kind of  implementing old school,  old school knowledge with,  you know, new school technology with them. And that was really inspiring.
05:01So, you know, just kind of gathering information and, you know, finding the right property and moving out here and kind of the rest of history, I guess. Okay. Well, it's good to know that you're a fellow former North Easterner because so am I. Oh, nice. Yeah, I grew up in Maine and very cool. don't think Delaware is technically New England, but it's very close. We call it, we call it mid Atlantic. It's a whole section there. Yup.
05:30I never would have guessed from  your slight Southern drawl that you were from the Northeast. So good job on assimilating. We've been all over Texas. We lived in  Arizona. We went to North Carolina. We lived in  Fort Bragg there with the military. I went to school in Maryland. I went to school in Louisiana. So I kind of been all over. So it's a combination of Northern accent, but also like you said, Southern drawl.  Generic Southern accent, yes.
05:59Um, so what branches was your husband in? Uh, he was in the army. Uh, we got out at, uh, 18, 18 years. He got medically retired and, um, yeah, it was, it was a wild ride with the military. Like I said, we've been all over deployments and, uh, it was a good time, but I'm glad that, you know, we're enjoying family time now. He's here to stay, uh, home and, uh, yeah, just kind of live in the country life now.
06:27Well, thank him for his service for me because my son  was a  Marine. He's not in the Marines anymore, but he says once a Marine, always a Marine. So, yeah, it's been great having him out and available to visit. And  he got married and he has a stepdaughter who is wonderful. His wife is amazing.  And it's just been lovely that he survived his eight years in the Marines and now he's doing really well.  Excellent. That's great to hear.
06:57Yeah, and he really  loved being in the Marines.  no harm, no foul there.  Okay, so  trying to think what else to ask you because my brain is fried from having a headache for two days.  So do you love it? Do you love that you guys made this switch? We  love it. It really  is  a
07:25a passion of mine, would say. There's so many things of why we love it. I talked on self-sustainability, just becoming a producer rather than a consumer, being able to supply your own meat source of chicken or lamb or vegetables from our garden.
07:51And also just kind of building a community and relationships, building kind of a social capital.  We sell  our eggs weekly to the local community. I've met so many amazing people,  whether they're just regular people that live 20 minutes down the road or other homesteads.  So that's been great.  I also just love it because I'm a busybody. I love being active. I love doing all the things.
08:18It's like a running joke in our family. Everybody asks me at the end of the night, how many steps did you walk? And I am never under like 12,000 steps. It is like 15,000 all the time. I walk all over, carry all the hay,  know, feeding the chickens, doing all the waters.  And you know, it's kind of like, is it a homestead unless you have like 20 different projects going on at the same time? Like we have so many things going on that we want to accomplish.
08:44But it's been real fun and just being able to build new skills and knowledge. We're doing our first batch of meat chickens next month. We have honeybees come in and we have long-term plans of processing our own  sheep as well. We have two dorpor ewes that we got and they're going to kind of be our breeding foundation.
09:09because everybody thinks of Texas, know, of beef and cattle. Well, we're only on five acres, so you really can't run cattle out here.  So, you know, the sheep were a great  addition in order to give us  a meat source.  So  that's gonna be an exciting addition.  And then, like I said, just, you know, having our kids being exposed to this, you know, we love the aspect of them getting hands-on and being involved. And  my oldest daughter, Delaney, she's eight, and, you know, we always joke about whoever she...
09:39dates or marries, she's going to give them a run for their money because they're going to be like, oh yeah, let's set up this pasture fence. And she's going to be like, I gotcha. I know exactly what to do. So it's been great for them as well.  Yeah. One of the things that I really do love about this lifestyle is that it is not a gender specific thing.  Anybody can do it.  Absolutely.  And we didn't get our
10:04acreage until like a little over four years ago. So all my kids were adults before we moved here. And I really wish that we'd been able to do it when we were younger and they were younger because I have one daughter, she's the oldest and then three sons.  And my daughter is no slouch. She's 35 years old and she is a tough cookie. Like she is the sweetest girl ever, but do not mess with her because she will put you in your place.  But, she's strong.
10:31Like she's five foot nine and  she's not,  she's like super fit. So if anyone bothers her, she just stands her ground and she's like, you're messing with the wrong girl here.  But I feel like if she had been able to grow up here,  it also would have made her strong in different ways than what she is. Does that make sense at all? I feel like I garbled that.  No, no, I totally understandable. Yes.
11:00Yeah, and the boys are all tough cookies. They're all really strong and  fit and smart and they stand their ground too, but they're men now. And  men standing their ground is different than women standing their ground, if you know what I mean. Absolutely, yes. So,  okay, so you have two girls and a boy, right?
11:23I have two boys,  two girls and a boy, I'm sorry, yes. My oldest son is 10 and then Delaney, she is eight and then my littlest one, she's three.  Okay, so the little one is now old enough to get into the game here too. Yeah, so  she loves helping with the chickens, she collects the eggs,  she'll get in the kitchen with me  to help make my sourdough or she'll help pour, you know.
11:50pour vanilla extract into the bottles and things. So she's definitely a hands-on little girl and she loves helping  in any way she can.  I'm so glad you brought, that's awesome, and I'm so glad you brought the vanilla extract back up again because  most people don't know that vanilla extract is actually super easy to make. It is super easy to make. It's just, I think the hardest part is just waiting.
12:16for it to be done because it's not going to be done in 24 hours or a week or a month. Like it needs to sit there for, you know, at minimum three months, but ideally, you know, six months plus.  So that's been, that's been a really great, a really great addition to what we  produce here because I'm a huge baker and just being able to produce something  that I know,  you know, what the ingredients are and, you know, just having the purest,  purest, simplest form of it has been amazing.
12:46Yeah, and  I have not done it, but I've read about it.  I read a ton about all these things.  And I've heard that if you're going to do it, you need to use a  decent alcohol for it. Don't just buy the cheap vodka because it's not going to be good. It's not going to taste good.  Correct. So you want, you know,  70 to 90 percent proof alcohol. I mean, you can do vodka. Usually I do vodka, but you can do other sources.
13:15of alcohol, can do rum, bourbon, even brandy. It's going to change the flavor a little bit of it. And then you also want to have the best vanilla beans that you can get. Probably don't want to Amazon them overnight. I buy a grade A vanilla bean. They have grade B as well. But I stick to the grade A. And I really feel like that gives the best kind of flavor when
13:43when the alcohol is infused through the vanilla bean. Okay, that's what I thought, but I wanted to check because you actually do it, so you know what you're talking about.  And the best time to make vanilla extract is like two years ago. Exactly.  Yeah.  I have a little stand at a local shop in town here and I put my vanilla extract there and that's been sitting on my shelf for about
14:08four or five months now. So I was a little eager to get it out there. It probably should have sat for another month or so, but I kept the beans in there. So whoever buys it,  let it sit for a little longer before you use it.  But yeah, want it  to sit for as long as you can.  Okay. I have one more question about that. Do you slice the vanilla beans open or do you just put them in whole?  No. So you're going to want to  split the bean  long ways.
14:35You don't want to slice it completely through, but you want to expose the bean  that way that whatever alcohol that you're using can infuse through the vanilla bean. Okay. That's what I thought, though, that one. I know some listeners are going to want to try this and I want to make sure they know what they're doing before they get into it. Yep. It is the simplest thing, but like I said, the hardest part is just waiting.  It's almost like when you make soap, cold process soap.
15:01Right. really do have to wait at least four weeks, ideally six, before you use the soap bars because if you don't,  they get like slimy, soggy, and they just disappear in the shower or the bathtub.  Right.  And there have been times when my husband has made my favorite one, which is clove, sweet orange oil, and cinnamon oil. I think it is.  And he makes it and he cuts it and it dries in our bedroom on our soap drying rack.
15:31And so my bedroom smells like that. And every morning I get up and I'm like, want to use it now, but if I use it now, it's not going to last. So there's a lot of waiting involved in a lot of the things that we do as homesteaders.  And I think the biggest lesson we learned from being homesteaders is patience. Yes, absolutely. And I was already a patient girl. mean, I have become very good at waiting before we even moved here. But when he makes that soap,
16:00Number one, I want to eat it and it's not eating obviously. It smells so good. It smells like fall. It smells like pumpkin bread.  And number two, then I want to use it because when you use it in the shower, it wakes you right up because of the cinnamon and the orange and the clove.  first time we made this,  I had no idea. I had never  used that kind of sense, those kinds of scents before in the shower.  And I got in the shower that morning with that brand new bar of soap and lathered up and I was like, oh, this is fabulous.
16:30I love this.  So yeah, waiting, waiting and patience and,  and  compassion is another one that we've really learned here because  there's a lot of hurt involved in homesteading, like mental hurt because things die or disappointment because your crops don't do well.  And you just got to have grace and compassion for yourself and the thing that you're doing.
16:56Absolutely. mean, that applies to, like you said, whether it's gardening or animals. mean, we've had so many  failed attempts at our garden or we've lost chickens and our favorite chickens, the ones that we name. Usually we don't name all of them, but  we name our favorites. it's been hard for some of the kids to let go and know that  they're not there anymore. But hey, it's all part of homesteading. you're going to  have
17:24you know, you're going to have successes and failures and there's going to be hurt, but there's also going to be so much,  you know, positive outcome along the way. Yeah, I always fall back on satisfaction. You know, when you  when you do something on the homestead, I don't care what it is, whether it's making sourdough bread  or going out and getting that first egg out of the coop  or whatever the thing is that you're doing and it works, there's this huge feeling in your chest of, my God, I can do this.
17:53I can do big things or hard things.  And then when things go wrong, there's that pit in your stomach of,  I don't know how I could have done that differently, or how could I have done that differently?  So it's this  bouncing thing that we do. And  once you find the balance in those two different perspectives,  then you're on the way to being a solid homesteader because everything doesn't
18:21throw you so far when it happens? Yes. Yes. I mean,  I don't think you can be successful without failure.  You have to take all those losses or negative things that happen and just  learn from it and make it better the second time. Yep,  exactly.  That's how it works.
18:47I'm dying to talk about this. I'm just going to throw this in here because it kind of makes sense. We have stuff growing in our greenhouse right now. And this will be the first year in three years of doing the farmers market that we will actually have produce to sell at the first farmers market at the end of May because we have the greenhouse. We've got radishes growing. We've got lettuces growing. I don't even know what else. My husband's been going crazy with getting things planted.
19:16And for the last couple of years, obviously, we're in Minnesota. We're not growing anything outside that is ready to harvest by the first farmers market.  And so  last year and the year before, my husband would take our soaps and our candles and our lip balms and sell those because he wanted to be at the first, you know, farmers market. And so we're both just, I don't know, giddy with the fact that as long as everything works,
19:46God willing and the creek don't rise and doesn't rain and freeze things,  we will have  actual produce that's good for people to eat at the first farmers market. And I just have everything crossed that that happens because he's more excited than I am.  Well, that's fantastic. mean, being able to provide your community with something that you've actually done for the first time, that's huge.
20:13Yeah, and that's the other thing is that there's so many first  time things with this lifestyle. mean,  we don't have goats, we don't have sheep, we don't have any livestock, we have chickens and we have  a dog and we have two barn cats right now. We're waiting on some barn kittens from a friend here in a couple of months.  And so  we don't have the first of, you know, the first goat having her first kids or anything,  but
20:43We have this first this year  of being able to take produce to the first farmers market. And it seems like such a dumb thing to be so excited about, but we are.  just, we've just got everything crossed that we can do that. Yeah. And just, you know, the, just, you know, thinking about how much effort and, you know, time that y'all put into it, you know, just being able to,  you know, bring that up there, you know, maybe, you know, not a lot of people know how much, you know, you gave into it.
21:13But I know that y'all just poured in 20 times the amount of effort. Yeah, and we all do. When we were having coffee this morning for my husband left for work, he said, by the way, the radishes are coming up in the greenhouse. And I said, oh, that's great. I said, how many radishes? And he's like, 80. 80, wow. I said,
21:36Um, what are we going to do with all those radishes? Because they're going to be ready in like two weeks and the farmer's market doesn't start until the very end of May.  He says, Oh, I got it covered. I said, you do. He said, yeah. He said, I'm, I'm going to enlist the, the kids help. My son still lives with us. He's a grownup. He's an adult  and we're going to clean out the farm stand and we're going to have eggs and radishes and lettuces in the farm stand. Like a month from now.  I was like, Oh.
22:05Okay. Good. That's a fantastic idea.  That's a first too. We have never had the farm stand open. We've had it for three years now, I think. It's never been open until mid-June at least. So it's going to be open probably the first part of May.  Fantastic. It's so crazy to me that we live in a very cold climate and this is the year that we're going to have stuff early and probably late.
22:34as well into the fall. So tickled, just beyond tickled. And I've talked about the greenhouse so much on the podcast, but  it's really important when you live in a Northern Tier State, if you want to grow stuff for a long time, you've got to have a way to keep it warm.
22:53Yes, absolutely.  We've had several cold snaps here in Texas. There was one week that the temperatures got negative five, negative eight. It was freezing. And we don't have a greenhouse, but  my husband likes to put seedlings in  our well house and put a little space heater in there and keep them warm.  Because sometimes, Texas  weather, it swings.
23:20real hot or real cold. It's wishy-washy here. You never know what you're gonna get. You know, that is pretty much every state these days. The weather has been utterly insane the last two years everywhere. And everybody I talked to, it doesn't matter if it's Washington state or my parents in Maine or you in Texas, the last two years have been crazy with weather.
23:49So you're not alone. Yeah, it really, it really has.  Makes me feel a little better.
23:57Yeah, and we're so dependent on weather with growing things and even with animals, you know?  If it's really wet for more than two weeks, you're gonna run into issues with pneumonia or hoof rot or whatever. They can't handle it either. Yeah, I mean, there was a period where we had snow and it just got so darn muddy and wet.
24:23And my chickens, some of them have like the feathered feet and they're just getting stuck in the mud. And I had to put, you know, pelletized bedding down and extra straw just to make a pathway for them. And,  you know, my goats and my sheep, they didn't even want to walk to the water trough, you know. So  it was just a struggle bus over here.  But, you know, we  made it through improvised as we could.  Luckily, we, I think we lost one,  one chicken. But other than that, everything, everybody was good to go.  Yeah.
24:53I'm just keeping, I said on one of the episodes I recorded yesterday that I'm going to braid my hair every day for the next month and a half  so that maybe it'll bring good luck that we don't have six weeks of rain here like we did last spring.  I'm crossing my fingers and my toes and everything that the people who grow things or animals have a much better season than last year because it was really hard for everybody. Yeah.
25:22Yeah, the weather will definitely  make an impact, negative impact, although it does bring some positives. But I feel like more negative than positives if it's a constant thing  every day.  Yep, it can be a  bear. That wasn't the B word. That actually was in my head. But I'm using bear instead of the other one. OK, so what's the future look like for you guys?
25:48I would say, know, just kind of  expanding what we're doing right now.  You know, we definitely want to increase the size of our chicken flock. I definitely want to get into  chicken breeding and definitely playing with, you know,  different breeds of chickens and different colors.  Just, you know, making the most aesthetically pleasing egg that I can, you know, I can deliver.
26:15Like I said, we're getting bees next month, so that's going to be a whole new adventure as far as honey production  and really getting our feet wet into  beekeeping.  I kind of touched on  sheep as well. We definitely want to be producing our own meat and have lamb as our meat source.  There's a whole kind of niche market in Dallas-Fort Worth area for lamb  that I guess a lot of people don't really  consider when they think about.
26:44Texas.  And I would say, you know, just keep on, you know, building, you know, knowledge and skills and see what we can improve on.  There's always something to do. There's always something to work on and improve on. And,  you know, just kind of, you know, becoming more, you know, self-sufficient  and hopefully, you know,  you know, be producing more products at home than we are buying at the store.  Good plan. Okay.  So with the honeybees. Yes.
27:14It's okay. I've talked with a lady who was like expert at it on the podcast. She's there episode was  months ago.  But  what she told me is that beekeeping is an expensive hobby to start. It's totally worth it once you get established because everyone loves to buy local honey.  Can you explain why people like local honey?
27:40Well, I guess, you know, it  is expensive. It is expensive to start. think, you know, we probably dropped around, I would say, a thousand dollars on all the equipment and the boxes and everything that you need.  You know, I think it just kind of goes back to the fact of knowing what you are getting in your product. You know that, you know, the honey is the purest that you can possibly get. You know, it's from,  you know, your local state.
28:09you know a lot of people buy honey from the store but you might be getting honey from you know Minnesota or Wyoming well that's not going to give you you know  that's not going to give you the proper  benefits as far as  you know  kind of like treating like allergens and things like that that you can get from that honey source you want to make sure  that it is from a local state where you are in order to get those benefits.  So
28:38I think that's kind of the benefit of buying local.  But I've heard mixed things on how hard it is. I've heard a lot of people say that it  is challenging.  Maybe it's just because I'm watching too many YouTube videos on things going wrong with honey  and bees. But I've seen people lose their bees.  They just leave and they don't come back. I've seen.
29:07just you know things get into the hive and you know attack the attack the bees and they're all dead so I don't know we'll see  like I said we are going to start it next month so I don't really have a lot of knowledge on it but hopefully our experience is a lot more a lot more better than  things that I've seen elsewhere but  we're optimistic and hopefully we can produce you know the purest  purest honey for our local community and  you know just you know
29:37getting something that  has so many benefits  is so worthwhile.  Yes, thank you. That's what I was hoping you going to say because I was going to say  local honey helps with seasonal allergies. If you eat honey from bees that have gotten the pollen from the local things that make you itch or your eyes water or your throat sore, it helps.  And the best part about local honey is that you know it's actually  honey.
30:06It's not some it's not something that is being billed as honey and you find out that it's just like syrup. It's just sugar syrup.  liquid candy syrup.  Yeah. I made the mistake of ordering honey from Amazon from some company and  I this was not honey Joanna.  It was it poured like maple syrup. I'm like  honey is not supposed to pour like that. It's supposed to be really super thick.
30:35Right. And I used it because I paid for it, but I will never do that again, ever. Yeah, I'm a big believer in taking honey daily. I usually do a tablespoon daily. So many health benefits. like you said, it's supposed to... There's a consistency that you're looking for. If it's not the right consistency, you might want to be questioning what you actually bought or are getting.
31:04Yeah, there's a place near us that we used to go to that I've seen  the hives and I've seen the bees and I know the guy who owns the place that sells apples. He has bees, he has honeybees.  And for the longest time we would get like a jar or two of honey from him every time he got new honey in from the hives.  And  when the kids had a scratchy throat, if it seemed like they were coming down with something, if they had that first dry cough that you hear as a mom and you're like, uh-oh.
31:34We would give them, we would just give them a tablespoon full of honey and we would be like let it sit on your tongue  and then slowly swallow it. And I swear to you, his honey helped them fight whatever they were coming down with every time.  honey has a lot of benefits. It's good for your skin, you can heal wounds with it, it's good for upper respiratory stuff, it's good for allergies.  Bees are the best, honey bees are the best thing ever.
32:03That's, I think that's where we're probably gonna end the podcast episode today is that honey bees are fantastic. Protect your bees.  Take care of those bees. They take care of us. So,  Joanna, thank you for your time today. I really appreciate it. This was really fun. Absolutely. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. You have a great afternoon. Thank you. You do as well. Bye bye.  Bye.
 

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00:00You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters, and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis.  A Tiny Homestead podcast is sponsored by Homegrown Collective, a free-to-use farm-to-table platform emphasizing local connections with ability to sell online, buy, sell, trade in local garden groups, and help us grow a new food system.  You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe.
00:29share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Darcy at Preserving My Sanity, which I think is the best name for a business I've ever seen.  Good afternoon, Darcy. How are you? Hi, Mary. Thanks so much for having me today. It's nice to talk to you. Yeah, I'm so happy you're here because I need to know how you decided to call it Preserving My Sanity.  Sure.  Actually, I started  my business and my blog in 2018.
00:58primarily as a food preservation blog.  So  I was posting a lot about  a variety of food preservation and  kind of just did the brainstorming plan of trying to figure out what names were already being used and what was out there and what I thought would work well for  what I was writing about. And settled on preserving my sanity  as kind of a fun play on words since I was preserving food, but I was also doing it as a way to
01:27do something I enjoy  and spend some time  away from the computer. So  kind of a double meaning, I guess, play on words.  love it. It's so cute. Thank you. So normally I would ask about the weather where you are, but you're in Minnesota and I know what the weather's like in Minnesota because so am I. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's sunny and  it's been a little bit warmer than normal, I think.  We're in Southwest Minnesota, kind of in the corner.
01:57But it's been just really nice spring so far. Yeah, it really has been. did you see the weather report for Friday? It's supposed to be like 81 degrees here in Lesor. Yes, here too. It's going to be amazing. I'm kind of not looking forward to that. That's a little hot for March. it's a... and then I saw Saturday it's going to be back down to like 40. So it's really hard to get used to what you're supposed to...
02:26do and where. Yeah, this weekend is going to be ugly. It's supposed to rain. I'm like, okay, so we're going from 81 to  40 and rainy and gross. And then what is the next day going to look like?  Right.  So anyway,  I would love it if you would tell me about yourself and preserving my sanity. Sure.
02:50So I mentioned how I started  with the food preservation.  Since then, I've continued writing about food preservation and cooking with Whole Foods at home, learning new things are some of the themes that kind of follow through my content.  And then two years ago, I actually started making goat milk soap  and I added it into my business as well.
03:15Now,  in addition to the food, I also  make soap and sell that  online too.  Okay. Is the goat milk soap the cold process soap? It is. Yeah.  I make cold process soap and I actually source all of my milk from local farmers here in my county.  Okay.  I have a question about this because we make soap, we don't use any milk of any kind in it. We make the cold process soap.
03:45Does does it change it when you use the milk like the way it heats up the way it does what it's supposed to do  In the making process but what okay  when When you put Okay,  when you do cold process So you do the the the lie in the water and then you add in the oils and whatever else you're gonna put in and you Use a mixer to make it all come together
04:13when it's all come together and you pour it into the mold.  it make it hotter? Does it make it cooler? Is it the same situation? It's a similar process. It is different though.  And I actually have never made soap with water.  only, I learned from someone who only makes milk soap. And so that's all I've ever done.  But I do know,
04:39Like I'm familiar with how  it works to make it with water and how you, when you mix the lye into the water, it gets really hot and then you mix it with the other ingredients.  So the lye still would make the milk really hot. So you actually start it with frozen milk cubes.  Okay. So,  um, instead of mixing it with just milk, because if, you did actually just put it with milk, it would curdle the milk and burn and that's not what you want. So,  um, so you start it with frozen milk cubes  and,
05:08then when you mix it with the oils, it kind of keeps the heat under control. I guess is how I would explain it. That's what I was wondering about because I was like, wouldn't that burn the milk? Hmm.  So thank you. That helps. Yeah. And I think overall you just keep your temperatures maybe a little bit lower of like your melted oils and things. And that way when it does heat up  as it starts to pontification, you know, it does heat up and then that way you're starting out at a little bit cooler temperature again. So you're not burning that milk. Okay. Awesome.
05:38I would really like to try making goat milk soap and we just happen to have friends that have goats that have babies coming or they may have babies may already be on the ground. I don't know yet. And so if I can manage to snag some goat milk from her, I'm gonna ask my husband if he's willing to try making goat milk soap with me this year. We'll see how it goes. He's the one that deals with the water and the lye because I still am really twitchy about it.
06:04be like, I'm going to get milk from Tracy and we're going to freeze it into cubes and we're going to try doing goat milk soap. And he's going to be like, what?  Yeah. Well, if you guys do, if you do that and run into any questions, I'd be happy to help you.  Oh,  I, I appreciate that. Thank you. So do you have goats too? I actually don't have goats myself. Um, I live, my husband and I live in town, so we have chickens. We're allowed to have five hen chickens and we do.
06:34But we don't have goats. So I have met a couple of local farmers around just a few miles out of town and get my milk from them. It's good to have farmer friends and acquaintances. It's a wonderful thing. It's a gift. Okay. So you're an in-town person practicing kind of homestead skills. Yes. Good.
07:02We live on a pretty big corner lot and  one of the first things we did when we bought our house  like 11 years ago, one of the first things we did is my husband got the tiller and pretty much tilled most of our lawn into a garden. So  less to mow and  more to grow.  Like I always say, you can't eat grass. That's right.
07:26We did the same thing when we lived in Jordan. We had a really tiny lot and our backyard was all gross crabgrass and weeds. And I was like,  hey, honey, how do you feel about telling him the backyard and growing stuff we can eat? And he was like, I feel really good about that idea. Let's do it.  Awesome. So  it was frowned upon by our neighbors just a titch. They didn't quite understand what we were doing.
07:52We did it anyway and they really enjoyed the tomatoes and cucumbers that came out of that backyard garden. So it all works out great. Yeah. Once you started sharing, they didn't have a problem with it anymore. Nope. And I think I actually, I think we actually inspired one of our neighbors across the street because  this past summer she did a whole bunch of  raised beds and got some really beautiful things growing. So  I feel like it's a good influence no matter where we go.  That's awesome.
08:20Yeah, it's really fun to see people try all these things no matter where they live. And  one of the things I'm always saying on the podcast is that you can practice homesteading skills, whether it's growing a plant or learning how to sow or how to make a meal from scratch  in a studio apartment in New York City. You can do this stuff. just a smaller scale. Absolutely.
08:46That's funny because I say that a lot too. Actually, one of the lines on my Instagram bio says, learning by doing and you can too. you know, I think it's, it's, I have so many people come and tell me, you know, on social media posts and stuff, you know, I can't believe you know how to do all these things or I can't believe you do this or that. And, you know, I didn't know how to do it either until I tried it. And, you know, I think it's just important to try new things and
09:15and learn new things.  I just, yeah, I  like that mantra a lot. Yeah, and  I keep saying I have got to know ITIS. Like I am a perpetual curiosity freak. just,  the minute I see somebody doing something or I hear about something that I think I can do, I'm like, I gotta go figure that out. I have to know. And the other thing that makes me
09:44mildly crazy is that  people are like, I can't do that. And yet they they learn about other things that they're interested in. So why can't they learn about this? Yeah.
09:58Um, for sure. I know one of the things I've been talking a little bit more about lately is sourdough, um,  baking. And I, I've been, I've been baking sourdough for probably about five or six years now, but I haven't done a lot of the traditional like artisan loaves. I've done mostly recipes that have instant yeast that are just a little easier and faster to deal with. And so the artisan loaves is kind of new and I've, it's just been a lot of fun to
10:27kind of expand those skills a little bit. And  my husband and I both have been watching videos this week about scoring the top because that's an area that, you know, I, we, I don't do that very well because I've never done it. And so we're, currently learning a little bit more about how to do that. And so I think even, even once you have  like learned a lot of the things that you wanted to learn, there's still areas where you can learn more, you know,
10:56Yes, and I always say that you're not, you never start out an expert in anything. You know, there's always going to be a learning curve. And so  I was real bad about this when I was little.  My dad, my dad was one of those dads. I love him to death. He's a great guy, but I would bring home report cards and I would have all A's and he would say, well, why aren't they all A pluses and smile?
11:24I always took that to be that it wasn't enough and it was more him just playing, but I didn't understand that.  And so  I had to,  I felt like I had to be perfect all the time, even though, you know, on everything, stuff I had never tried before. And so in my adult years, I've really had to step away from that perfectionism thing and be like,
11:52No one is an expert at the beginning. That's why they call it learning. Right. Absolutely. I'm really glad that you're getting more into the scoring the sourdough breads because ma'am,  there are some people who do beautiful things with sourdough breads. Yes, there are. you're going to be one of them.  Well, we'll see about that. But thank you.
12:15Yeah, did I see sourdough cookies that look like the little Debbie oatmeal cookies with filling in the middle on your Facebook page or your Instagram?  No, I don't think that was mine. That sounds really good though. I'll bet it's who I'm talking to tomorrow then because I looked at three different Facebook pages this morning because I had four interviews scheduled today, two tomorrow. I have to ask whoever it is tomorrow.  Yeah. Maybe it's something you can add.
12:43We made sourdough chocolate chip cookies this week, but yeah, the oatmeal cream pies sounds awesome.  I'm  going to have to. I'm hoping that whoever it is lives in a state that's allowed to ship their food because I would really love to order some of those cookies. look fabulous.  So speaking of that, are you a cottage food producer or do you have a commercial license? I am registered as a cottage food producer in Minnesota.
13:12I don't do a lot with it right now.  When I go to shows with my soap,  I do have  some tomato jam that I take along. I love making tomato jam and so I do sell jars of that.  I've thought about possibly selling some sourdough,  but I'm, you maybe after I get better at that scoring we talked about,  I'll do that. But  I do have the license.
13:40I'm just not doing a ton with it right now, but  it's a cool thing to have. Yeah, you're not the only one who has it and isn't doing a whole lot with it. Oh, that would be me.  The tomato jam, is that sweet? I've never had it. It is sweet. I make actually two kinds. I make a regular, I guess, kind and then I make a smoky spicy kind.  They're similar, just obviously one's spicy and one's not.
14:08They're they are sweet.  It's kind of like a Chunky sweet ketchup. I would say kind of a mix between ketchup and barbecue sauce almost  It's it's our favorite way to have it is with goat cheese and crackers  But it's also good on sandwiches  Cream cheese, you know things like that  It's kind of hard to explain it almost  it's almost got a little bit of an apple butter sort of flavor
14:38Um, I don't know. It's just kind of, it's just kind of a unique flavor. I bet  it would be a fabulous marinade for steak. Yeah. I bet it would be good with that too. Yeah. Or onion rings dipped in it. Cause I love onion rings.  I have been craving onion rings for like the last month and we are on a, a, a do not get fast food kick right now and show.
15:04So I can't have onion rings from the amazing bar in Lesor. And I said to my husband, said, can we please make homemade onion rings this weekend? He was like, that's a lot of work. I said, do you want to spend $20 on onion rings for me or do you want to help me make some? And he was like, we'll make them. I said, OK. So yeah, tomato. So that's coming up this weekend that you'll have those? I hope so. Awesome.
15:32It's gonna rain Saturday, so maybe I can convince him to stay inside for like two hours and help me  make some onion rings as a treat and then he can go back to the greenhouse and putter because that's been his life for last three weekends he's been out in the greenhouse. Nice. Yep. It's spring. Where else is he gonna be?  We're starting to get some things ready for our garden too, so yeah, I know what you mean.  Yes, and let's just, I keep saying this, I sound like such a dumbass.
16:01Let's pray that this spring is better than last spring, because last spring all it did was rain. Yeah. And the last two summers, all it's done is not rain. That too, yeah. At least down here. Down here, it's been a pretty bad drought for the last two summers. So we're hoping for a better season this year, for sure. You guys didn't get the six weeks of rain last spring? Last spring, we had all of that rain, and then it didn't.
16:30I think it rained one other time for the rest of the year for like maybe less than an inch. So yeah, we started, we started with all of that rain and then we didn't have any more at all. So yeah, we, we had a soup garden for about, I think we, had soupy mud in the garden until mid June. Yeah. And then it dried out enough to get some stuff in. And then I think it rained again for a couple of days in a row. And that was soup again.
17:00And so our growing season was just horrible last year.  so  I'm going to cut this off right here by saying I'm keeping everything crossed that we just have a moderate quote unquote normal spring and summer because we need it. Yes, agree.  So I've talked about it a lot because it was just so hard.  I don't want to keep saying the same things over and over again on the podcast because people aren't going to listen anymore if I just keep saying the same stuff.
17:30Um, so did I see that your husband makes fishing lures? He does make fishing lures.  Um,  he, I think he would go fishing every day if he could.  And, um, probably about seven or eight years ago, I suppose, he  kind of worked on a prototype for a lure that he had an idea for that he couldn't really find in the store. And so he made a prototype and tested it out and had really good luck catching fish with it.
18:00And then he made some more and then he sold some.  And  today he makes them in 60 different colors.  So the lure that he makes, he just makes one kind.  It's a weighted  glide bait that's made out of maple.  So he catches walleye and bass and Northern pike will eat them. When we go to North Carolina, we go to the beach sometimes. He catches trout out there.
18:29So yeah,  he does spend a lot of time gardening and doing outside things in the summer months.  And in the winter time,  he makes lures to keep busy.  That's amazing. I love it.  And there was no other lure like this before. He was just like, I can't find what I need. Someone has come up with it. Yeah. mean, he just...
18:54I think there's some that are maybe a little bit similar, but he just had this idea for what he thought, you know, he could make that would work well. So he just did it. Yeah. He's, he's really creative and likes to make things. So, um, he just went for it. Awesome. The reason it caught my eye is because my dad, who is now 81 years old and he's amazing. He's doing great. He used to tie flies, fishing flies in the winter time.
19:23in Maine because he can't, well,  he could go ice fishing in Maine, but you're not going to use fly fishing flies, ice fishing. That's not how you do it.  And so he would, he would have  deer fur, you know, from the deer, deer that he shot in the fall. He would keep some of the fur and he would use that on the flies. And  it was the most tedious, fastidious work. And he had a little bench in our basement and he would go down there and
19:52work on these. And I can remember watching him do it. And to me, it was like watching wallpaper fade. you know, I watched him do it a couple of times and I was like, that is super cool. I'm going to go find something else to do.  And honestly, he wouldn't have wanted me to stand there and watch him anyway, because I just would have asked him questions one after another. And he would have been like, you need to go find something to do.  So I just, was like, huh, I wonder what kind of lures this guy does because my dad used to do those.
20:22That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. He, um, it's funny you mentioned the basement because that's where he paints all of the lures. so in the winter time, I like to joke and I call him basement Marshall because he definitely spends plenty of time down in the basement. It's kind of funny.  Yeah. Um, luckily the basement at my parents' house in that house, they had a little tiny, um,  it's not a pot belly stove, but it was just a small wood stove. And so the basement would be warm.
20:51because otherwise you can't do that kind of little tiny finger work because your hands would be cold. there were weekends where I would be like, hey mom, where's dad? And she'd be like, where do think he is? He's in the basement. I'm like, oh, okay.  Got it, leave him alone. He's doing his thing.  So, okay. I talk about my parents a lot. They live in Maine, I live in Minnesota. I miss them. So anytime I can work in a story about either one of them, I do.
21:20I get that. I lived in North Carolina for  12 years  before we moved back to Minnesota. I'm from South Dakota originally, so  North Carolina was a pretty long ways away from my family too. Yeah.  It's hard, you gotta... Okay. Doesn't sound crazy, but sometimes as the oldest daughter of... My parents have had me, my sister, and my brother.  As the oldest daughter, you gotta kind of be the independent one.
21:49And sometimes that means spreading your wings and flying very far away. Yeah,  I agree with that. So  and  I didn't want to I didn't want to move to Minnesota. It's a very long story. I'm not going to tell it.  I moved to Minnesota kicking and screaming  and and then realized that Minnesota is actually really beautiful and it's a good place to live. So that's why I'm still here. Awesome. It is a really nice place to live.
22:18We really like it here too.  It's so pretty and the people, okay, the people are super nice. And 10 years ago, I would have said that in a really facetious way.  Not anymore. I have met some of the most kind, giving,  smart, helpful people in Minnesota.  There's a whole thing about Minnesota nice. And when I first moved here,
22:48It was rough because Minnesotans are a breed of their own and they really have to trust you  to let the walls down.  feel like.  And  once I realized that I just needed to stop being so New England ish and maybe embrace a little bit of the Minnesota ish,  it was easier.  That's good advice.  That's funny.  Yep.
23:14So it was really hard the first 10 years I was here because I just didn't know how  to blend in a little better. And now, mean, people know I'm not from Minnesota because of the way that I talk, but I think I'm just a little less blunt and a little less in your face. And that's how I was raised. It what you see is what you get.
23:40Now I'm like, well, maybe what you see isn't what you get. Maybe I put up a little bit of a  mask. And then when they trust me, then I'm like, oh, hi, this is who I am.  Yeah. And I think it's,  I've lived in a couple of different states. I lived in Texas and then I lived in North Carolina. And I think it's like that really anytime you move to a new region,  it's just sort of in different regions, people are different. And it's not that I don't think
24:09people are nicer or less nice or whatever. think it's just kind of, have to learn how to speak their language. And yeah, if you are coming in as an outsider, I especially noticed this when I moved to Texas, because it was sort of like, who is this girl from South Dakota and why is she here? know?  But yeah, like you said, once people get to know you and once you kind of just get familiar with where you're at,  I think it does become easier.
24:36Yeah, and I don't want to get too far down a psychology hole here because I do that a lot.  I was very anxious when I moved here. I came here with a chip on my shoulder. I did not want to leave Maine.  And  it was really hard to take that chip down a notch. And so  once I realized that I actually loved it here,  that chip was gone. And then I could breathe. And then I could be like, you know what? It's OK.
25:05It's okay. It's beautiful here. I love it. And I felt okay saying that. Nice. So it made things easier when I met new people because I wasn't like, yeah, I'm not from here and I don't want to be from here. And I don't do that anymore because it's not true. anyway, psychology hat off, homesteading hat back on. So you make soaps. Your husband makes fishing lures.
25:34You have chickens, yes, now? Yes, yep, we do. You have a few? We have five chickens. Okay. Are you... It's a good time to have chickens that lay eggs. But yes, we have chickens and we have like a pen and a coop in our yard and they have quite a bit of room to do their thing. They're little characters. They're fun to have around. Yeah.
26:00They actually, they're really fun to have around and I'm glad that your city or town allows for it because  would you believe there are still cities and towns that don't allow people to have chickens in America? Yeah.  We,  we weren't allowed to when we first moved here. They  passed it,  I don't know, seven or eight years ago or something. um,  yeah, it wasn't, it's, it's relatively new here, but yeah, it's cool that, that it's allowed.
26:29Yeah, especially with the price of eggs at the grocery store right now. It's very cool. Yeah.  Okay.  And are you, do you have aspirations to maybe someday live on a bigger piece of property? Are you good with where you are?
26:47You know, I'm not sure. think we're pretty good with where we're at. don't think, when people ask me if I have my own goats, you know, I like to joke and say, if I lived on a farm, I would. And then my husband kind of raises his eyebrows. So I don't know that we're the people who would want to have all the animals and all the chores on a farm. You know, it's nice to have the chickens and it's nice to have the garden.
27:16I don't know, we both have quite a few hobbies and  work to do. So  I think we're pretty good where we are.  I think it's helpful that we have such a big lot in town. Like if we had a smaller lot that we wouldn't be able to have, you know, our large garden and things, I think the answer might be different. But  since we do have a pretty big lot and  space in town,  it's nice.
27:44So yeah. Okay. I don't think that anyone has to move to big property just because they're doing  homesteadish things.  We did because we wanted out of town. We were done  living in a fishbowl. were finished. Well, and it depends on who your neighbors are too. Yeah.  Our neighbors were fabulous people, but like I said, I grew up in Maine.  I grew up with pine trees all around me.
28:14Our neighbors were, I don't know, a couple hundred yards away. And that doesn't seem like a lot, but when your nearest neighbor is literally 20 feet from your house, that's a lot different. And I a really private person. I really want to be able to step outside of my house and be painting a project and not have someone look over the fence and say, what are you doing?
28:44Right. You know, I just,  it just bugs me. So  we gave up. were like, okay, we have the chance to go be somewhere else in the middle of cornfields with a three acre lot. gone. And we went and we're very happy here, but that is not for everybody. Yeah.  Um, that's awesome that, that you're in a place that you love like that.  Um, I don't know. mean, we wouldn't be opposed to it, but yeah, I guess we haven't really.
29:13I guess to answer that question, we are happy where we're at for now. Good. Good.  Keep  doing the homesteading stuff though, because it's super fun. Yes, it is.  So you mentioned,  we got like a couple more minutes to go for it, 30 minutes.  Okay. You mentioned your tomato jam. Do you do other  canned good stuff? I do.  I don't.
29:38You know, when I first learned how to preserve food, was like going, I was just going crazy canning everything I could think of. And I think everybody who starts canning kind of goes through that phase because it's exciting and new and you want to can all the things. And, um, you know, I don't can as much as I used to, uh, but I, I do can several things regularly each summer from the garden. can, uh, green beans, we can spaghetti sauce, we make salsa.
30:07I make a variety of jams, your raspberry jam, strawberry jam,  things like that.  And then my husband also does a lot of hunting. And so usually in the fall,  we pressure can some of the venison meat as well.  So yeah, we have our, our set of things that we can every year.  Very nice.  And  I have to ask you, because this is what happened to us. We finally started canning a few summers ago  and
30:37We did the same thing. We can strawberry jam. We can peach butter like apple butter, but peach butter  and tomato sauce and salsa and  relish and pit. And I think we did pickles, but they didn't turn out great. So  I always kind of leave that off the list. were mushy. Yeah. Yeah. I I've got to get my mother's recipe because she had the crispiest, um, garlic dill pickle recipe ever. And I have to get it from her,  but
31:07When we got done with the canning craze, we had to have a place to put all this stuff. And we have these old cabinets in our kitchen. They are the last piece of the house that was not  remodeled. The only piece. And so these cabinets still have the hooks for coffee cups in them. Oh yeah. And they still have the old contact paper on the shelves. They just, they didn't do anything to these cabinets. And I think it's awesome.
31:33So we decided we would put all the canned goods in these cabinets and it's one whole wall. Wow. And so we got everything put away and  I opened every single cabinet so I could see  all the jars and I literally just stood there for five minutes looking at these jars are all different colors and the sun was coming in the window so it was bouncing off the glass.  And I just had the biggest bubble of happiness in my chest that we  had learned how to do it.
32:03It went well  and now we have all this stuff for the winter. just, I was so tickled. Is that how you felt when you did it? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, that's accurate. It's,  um, there's not really very much  prettier than a jar with food that you made in it. I don't think,  um, yeah, my favorite part of canning is when
32:27You have all the, everything's in the jars and it's like the next day and you wash them all off and they're sitting on the counter, like still kind of wet. And it's like, man, I just did that. You know, like it's just really cool.  Uh huh. And  I,  I want people to know that if you want to try this stuff,  you can, you don't need anybody's permission to tell you that it's okay  to do things the old fashioned way. You can do it. Yep.
32:57Absolutely.  And yeah, I think  it's important  to know that anybody can do it.  There's plenty of resources out there to help you through it.  most things aren't really that difficult if you just follow the directions and take your time and  do a little research.  Anybody can do it for sure. The one thing I would say though is if you're going to try something  new to you,
33:27read through  all the recipe or all the instructions first before you do anything else. Yeah.  Because I have made a recipe or two when I was learning to cook and I didn't read the recipe all the way through the first time.  Sometimes it's really important to read the recipe all the way through the first time because there are things at the end of the recipe that you're going to need to know at the beginning of the recipe. Right.  Right. So I think it's important to note now too that, um,
33:55There's so much AI content out there as well that you want to just make sure  that you're using trusted reputable websites and blogs and sources because  people can publish anything. So you just want to make sure that you're getting your information from a good place.  Absolutely. A book from the library is not AI. This is true.  And we can talk about AI for like one minute. You ready?  AI scares me to death.
34:24I do not love AI.
34:28I am  mixed. use it in my other, I have a marketing business and I use it some over there, but like for the food part, it does really scare me because  of the people that don't realize that it's  as prevalent as it is and that there could be a food preservation website that has AI recipes on it. And I mean, you're messing with people's.
34:54lives at that point because the safety of what you're doing with food is so important and that's the part that does really scare me.  I think the best advice I could give anybody is if you want to get into canning, find someone who's been doing it for at least 10 years and have them come over and help you, show you, be with you while you do it.  And the best thing about people like you and like me is that if someone says, hey, I really want to learn how to do this thing,
35:23How long have you been doing it?  I am more than happy to help. And I think that you would be too. Me too, absolutely. So,  all right, well, Darcy, this was amazing. Thank you for your time today. I appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you so much for having me. It was fun.  All right, you have a great afternoon. You too. Bye. Bye.
 

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00:29share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Scott and Marilyn at KayLeo Urban Farm in Indiana. Good morning guys. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good.  What's your weather like? Cause ours is gray and it's raining. It's gray, but not raining. It's to rain the rest of the week though.  Yeah. I'm in, I'm in Minnesota. We got like an inch of really wet, fluffy, gross snow last night. got up this morning. I was like, what? No.
01:00No more. It really nice weather until this week basically. Yeah, this spring or what amounts to spring, it's been spring for two weeks really, has been really chaotic here. Like last Friday it was 80 degrees here and then was 35 on Saturday. I'm like, what are you doing? Yes, that is chaotic. So yeah. You guys have the tornadoes as well.
01:29You have? Well, not here. We're at our place, but in Indiana. Yup. I think it's going to be another crazy growing season. And I was really crossing everything I have that it was going to be a moderate season.  Oh, no guys. It's going to be interesting to see how the summer goes.  Okay. So.
01:50I am so excited to have you as guests because you guys are doing something really important in Indiana and you're actually in Indianapolis or near Indianapolis. Yeah, we're right in the city  on the northwest side of the city. Okay. Tell me about what you're doing. Cause I looked at your website and I was like, Oh my God, you guys are special. Like you're really, really doing something good.  Well, thank you. So we are a nonprofit urban farm.
02:17We bought the property about 10 years ago and have been a nonprofit for the last five years. We kind of focus on three areas. So growing  healthy food for people.  And then we get that food to people through, we started a farmer's market. This will be our fourth season starting  later this,  well, in June we'll start that. And we also do a matching donation  to either local food pantry or specific families.
02:47as well. We  try to do education related to growing the environment,  how to be sustainable. We do that through field trips,  working with different groups, classes, opening our farm to people,  and we focus on environmental stewardship. So growing in ways that are going to benefit the environment and leave this place better than we found it, and then helping people learn how to do that as well. Fantastic. Scott, do you have anything to add? Because I have lots of questions.
03:17I mean, she said it well, that's pretty much it. All right. So how did you guys get into this? How did this start?  Well, like Marilyn said, we bought the property about 10 years ago. We've been kind of wanting some property for a while.  We talked about  options of living out in the country and  looking for more property out there. But Marilyn really felt called to stay in this within the city limits here.
03:45And that kind of limits it a little bit, but we've happened to find this place, is nine acres within the city limits. I don't know if you're familiar with Indianapolis. It's fairly spread out. There's actually, you can find three to five, maybe even 10 acres of places here and there in the city. Less and less, of course, as time goes by, but it's kind of rare, not totally unheard of, but it's rare to find a this big, especially in our part of town where we are. It's pretty developed.
04:14This had been a farm for a decade before this, then this place, we're the third owners of this place. But we found this place and got it in June of 2015. And then we weren't sure what we wanted to do with it exactly. We knew we wanted some property and some more as a space, and then talked about doing some sort of animal rescue here, kind of a...
04:40sanctuary for animals and we do that a little bit still sort of. But then we kind of started getting just into growing. So we had some raised beds and some things and kind of just started enjoying that. And we're fairly near to some food deserts. Not exactly one, but kind of around us. And even in our area specifically, we saw some of the grocery stores closing and.
05:06people have to walk a lot or go places to go to Walmart and that kind of thing. So we started thinking more about food, how we could provide food for people. over the course of the years, the years we just kind of kept growing more and more and getting bigger and bigger in that sense. And that's kind of our main thing we do on the property here now. Nice. Okay. So my next question is, food has been getting more and more expensive over the last two years, as we all know.
05:35So with what you're doing, are you seeing people who need food now that didn't need it two years ago? You know, I think we saw our first year as a nonprofit was actually 2020. So the year of the pandemic and that year  we just gave like 98 % of the food away. We worked with a food pantry at the local high school. They were seeing like a dramatic increase in the number of people visiting that food pantry.
06:02I'm also a teacher and I work in that district as well. So  I was staying connected with them. And then  what we have seen  is people more interested, I would say, in finding things locally.  And I think as food prices increase,  local food is becoming more affordable as well. think people have an interest in where their food comes from, what the process is and how it's being grown. And so we have a lot of people who are
06:31specifically looking for things that are local  and also wanting to know how to grow  some things in their own backyard, even if they can't produce all that they need, but  they have a desire to just grow a little bit at their home as well. Okay.  And do you get to interact with the people that come to your place or at  the pantry or wherever you're at?  Do you get stories from people? So this
06:58You know, we interact all the time with people at the farmers market and our farmers market accepts  like some assistance, SNAP  and some of those assistive programs that are specifically helping people who are  financially insecure buy fresh produce.  And so we interact regularly with those customers.  Last year we worked with another nonprofit in the city  called MyGross Indie.
07:25And they work with the refugee and  immigrant population. so instead of  working directly with the food pantry last season, we had specific families that we would create kind of like a CSA box for, and we would deliver  that to  those families. So we did have more interaction last year with families than we did, we have in the past. A lot of times at the food pantries, it was more just dropping it off.  And then the people who worked at the food pantry would distribute it.
07:56Okay. So do you have any like, I don't know, adorable stories or tragic stories or just stories from the people that you have talked to who you're helping?  I would say, you know,  we've been working specifically at one apartment complex and it's almost a hundred percent immigrants and refugees that live there. And they are so excited to have fresh food.  A lot of those communities have not grown up with processed food. And so having fresh food to cook is
08:26It's very joyful to hand those boxes of fresh produce off. We  have some other farms that we work with who also donate  or we provide  their like chicken and those kinds of things in there as well. So it's just been a joy to meet people who  are excited to cook.  Sometimes getting all the produce and food that they need is not accessible  because of the expense. And so it's nice to be able to  see people who really enjoy and want to use the food.
08:55Yeah, I'm guessing when you guys show up, there's some really big smiles on people's faces. There are even from the kids, they're excited about it. Sometimes a little confusion. Sometimes there's a language barrier. We figured out pretty quick how to just basically let them know we're here to help them when I provide food for them and they get to just have it pretty quick. Okay, so you guys grow a lot of the food, I'm guessing. so how...
09:23I know it's really hard to quantify produce, but do you know on average how much food you are growing and supplying? Oh, gosh. You know, we used to weigh everything. The first couple of years, we wanted to keep really strict records and we weighed everything we sold and everything we donated. And what we just found was that taking the time to do that just really slowed things down. We know it's thousands and thousands of pounds every year. We don't know exactly how much though. We can't really say anymore.
09:50We have, we grow an overall about the size of almost an acre, I'd three quarters of an acre to an acre, which doesn't sound like a whole lot, but he actually, can grow quite a bit in small space. We have two and soon to be three high tunnels or hoop houses, whatever you want to call them. We have raised beds all over the place. We have some fruit trees and other things. it's, but it's hard to wait. We're not keeping super specific records of that anymore, just cause it's taken up lot of our time. Yeah.
10:20but thousands of pounds is  fantastic.  So is it just you two running it or do you have help? So it is mostly us.  Over the summer, we typically hire a summer farm person to help out. And then we have  a friend who also grows  cup seasonal flowers on our property. And so she does the flower gardening part, but also will help out. And we also have volunteers.
10:49different groups that come in and help individual people that come in and help. And it's Scott's full-time job. So he does this full-time. Okay. That's what's that. That was going to be my next question was, um, how are you doing anything else but this? And I'm a teacher, so I have the summers off. I'm June and July. And I'm pretty much here as well. You guys must be the happiest, healthiest people in Indianapolis. I mean, we, we are very fortunate to live here. feels like.
11:18And to do this, feels like a blessing on most days. You know, there are some days when it's 95 degrees and very humid that we're like, what are we doing again? But most days we feel very happy to be able to do this. Full disclosure though, I'm not that world's healthiest eater. You think having so many vegetables around I would eat better, but I try. makes me eat more than I want to. Good, keep doing that, Marilyn. We need Scott to stay in the world with us here.
11:49Okay.  Um, what else? Oh,  you have a bed and breakfast, well, not bed and breakfast, but you have a farm stay situation at your place too. Can you talk about that? Yeah, we have a, an attached, what is now anyway, an attached apartment on our house.  Uh, we're not exactly sure what it was used for by the previous owners, but it has its own entrance, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom and living room. Um,  and when we first moved in, we had a friend live there for about first three years we were here just.
12:19monthly printer.  And then she got married and we thought, let's try the Airbnb route. So we have done that. It's been pretty interesting. We meet a lot of interesting people from all over the world, like China, Germany,  Portugal, mean, all kinds of places.  And of course, lot of local people as well.  come in for you wouldn't think Indianapolis would have that many  visitors all year round, but we have a lot of conventions.
12:47our convention center downtown, lot of sports events and  things. it's fairly busy. We actually had to dial it back a little bit because we were so busy doing that, especially in the summer, but it's pretty consistently booked.  Okay. So the people that come to stay with you, did they have free rein to explore the property and  check things out? Within reason.
13:12We don't want them to go into our barn, but they can go walk to the gardens and the property in the woods and visit the goats and chickens.  yeah, we want them to enjoy the experience of being on our little small farm here as well.  Yeah. And as it says on your website listing or your website information about this,  Indianapolis has a lot of things to offer and you're not far. So people can come have this  bucolic, beautiful
13:41farms day experience, but they can also go catch a game or go see a show or whatever they want to do. That's the comment we get a lot is that people, feels isolated because we are, our property is surrounded by woods as well. I mean, we have condos right next to us, to the north, and then a housing addition right behind our property. But you, don't feel that way, especially when everything's in bloom, because we're surrounded by probably four acres of woods as well.
14:12It sounds so pretty. I just, love what you guys are doing. So you were saying that you are, are you teaching people too? We have, so we have open farm nights during the summer. Sometimes we've extended it a little bit other months as well. But so every, I think it's the second and fourth Tuesday, Tuesday from six to eight, we have sort of just events on the farm. And it could be like how to build everybody's bed.
14:42chickens 101 or how to, you know, trans, how to pot up tomatoes. So we do things like that. And, we've had some other things like yoga. We have some yoga classes going on and it's free for most of our people to come and just participate and just learn how to do different things. Um, we think, you know, our, we like our place to be used not just for us, but for other people, our community is well, um, so we offer some, guess we call them educational opportunities. Fantastic.
15:11I can't say it enough, I love what you're doing.  So I don't want to be nosy. I always feel weird asking questions about funding.  how are you funding this place? Because if everything is basically for free, how  are you making it go?  So we have  donations.  We try to raise money  and get donors.  We have a partnership with a local church that helps.
15:40Do our funding we've gotten some grants as well and then  the farmers selling at the farmers market  Not only our produce but also the flowers  the flowers are a big moneymaker. They help  fund a lot of what we do Okay, so  that's not necessarily though our farmer our flower farmers mission is to bring beauty to the world  and so It's important that the part of the flowers on the farm are gorgeous
16:06I mean, they really add to the atmosphere here, but they also are a great way to fund some of the other things we're doing. And we do,  we've done, we do fundraisers, different fundraising things throughout the year. We've had dinners,  we've had concerts on our porch, know, different things like that.  We have some  field trips and some schools, depending on their financial ability, they will pay to come as well.  Some schools,  the schools closest to us can't really afford to do.
16:35pay field trip. So we try to offer some of those for free as well.  Nice. Okay.  And like I said, I always feel really weird asking about money because I was brought up that you don't talk about money and I get really weird about it. So I try to very gently ask. It's hard. We've gotten grants as well. One of our high tunnels, we had an equip grant  through the USDA, the NRCS. and they've, we've gotten grants through them for cover cropping and mulching and
17:05native prairie areas. So we've tried to work with some of that funding as well.  Nice.  Grants are great. The problem is right now, a lot of grants are dead stopped through the government. We don't have any of those right now, though. We have a friend who runs a farm on the north side and they are out of funding, basically. So  yeah, they're great, but there's a problematic time right now.
17:32It sure is. So I'm going to say this again. I've said it a few times in the last month and a half. If you're looking for grants,  go small, you know, to the local level or the regional level, not federal level, because if you're looking for grants from the federal government right now,  may not be there.  Yeah, we've done some grants from some larger,  one of our board members is on it works for a larger company in the in the city. And so we've gotten
18:00grants from them a couple of times as well. They their like policies that if their employees are volunteering with an organization, you can apply for grants. So that's been really helpful as well.  Awesome. Good.  Cause  I want you guys to keep doing what you're doing. You are,  you are helping  so many people on so many levels that it's really important that you keep up your enthusiasm for this. We're trying.  Yeah.
18:30I just, I really,  I'm a mom of four, okay? They're all adults and they're all doing fine. But I just, as a mom, I worry about all these young people who are going to be graduating college in the next  month or so, if they haven't already. And they're like 22 years old  and everything is crazy right now.  And things are expensive and rent is expensive.
18:58car prices are going to be going up, thank you to the tariffs.  it's just, I can't imagine if my kids were that age having to step into this world right now as,  you know, fully fledged quote unquote adults trying to make a go of it. Yeah, we were just talking about this this morning about we have,  yeah, it's just, it's a funny time because growing up we were basically, made the assumption you'd be able to afford a house and a car and get a good job.
19:26that is really necessarily the deal anymore. can't just assume that for everybody anymore. My youngest is 23  and he still lives with us. He helps out on our homestead  and his friends are just struggling right now. The ones who are around his age, not all of them, but a good percentage of them because they just  don't have the resources to live a  comfortable is the wrong word.
19:56reasonably comfortable life right now. You know, the one thing I've noticed is that this place draws people, I would say, of that age to it. They want to be here. They want to like learn how to do the things that maybe their families never did or they heard that their grandparents did. So the person who's going to work for us this summer, she's 23. She's
20:23You know, she has another job, what she sees her future as growing things and incorporating that into her lifestyle. And so, you know, she wants to learn how to do it. Uh, so it's exciting to see people of like, I think that's one thing about farming,  um, gardening. kind of draws people from  all age groups, all lifestyles.  Uh, they, they want to learn how to do it and be a part of that community.  Yes. As I'm, I'm sure you guys know the trades are suffering.
20:53for people to come up into them too.  And  honestly, a lot of ag is trade,  is a trade job. And the more young people you get to come into what you're doing and experience it, the more likely they are to pursue it. So even that's great that you're doing this. It's pretty great. Our local high school, which is a huge urban high school has an ag department. Nice. And so  we, one of the,
21:22one of the teachers in the Ag department has his own small farm and he is part of our farmers market as well, but he teaches animal husbandry classes. So they're like hatching ducks and chicks and quail and they have rabbit and they're learning to grow. So there are kids in this urban population that are learning those  Ag skills that they could then take on to,  you know, maybe not a  major or maybe not a career, but at least have those skills for themselves. Yeah, exactly.  I
21:52I wish we had had ag classes in my high school when I was growing up in Maine. We didn't have them. They didn't offer them. Yeah. And I lived in a  country-ish setting and we still didn't have those options. You either, your family was farmers or you just, if you didn't grow up in that, you didn't learn how to do it.  Yeah. I mean, there was 4-H,  but that wasn't through the school. So, and  I- It's unfortunate that the circumstances are leading to it, but one of the benefits, I think,
22:22or silver linings of the current situation in the world and country is that people are have to learn how to grow their own food and how to fix things and how to weld  and fix cars and  do things like that. Trades that we didn't necessarily, weren't passed on to us that hadn't been passed on, we're have to kind of relearn. So hopefully we can,  one benefit of all these things going on is that we can learn the stuff again. Yeah, and the good news on that is that a lot of the trades
22:51are being able to use your hands, directions, and try doing the thing. Other than maybe car repair, the newest cars, that's going to be tricky for people. Especially newer cars because there's so many electronics and stuff. Yeah, but I I've told the story once on the podcast, so I can tell it again. I've been doing this podcast for 18 months.
23:18My husband, I really wanted some cabinets for my laundry room in the old house. We've lived in the new house for four and a half years now. And the laundry room was really small. So we had to make cabinets ourselves because there were no stock cabinets that would fit. And he put this off for like six months. And I said, honey, why, why are we not building cabinets? And he was like, because I'm afraid I'm not going to do it right. And I said, okay.
23:47I said, do you have the instructions? And he's like, yes. I said, have you read through them? He said, yes. I said, you pretty much know how to do this. He said, yes. I said, all right, I'm going to help you. How can I help?  And he said, I just need you to like hold the corners so that I get them square.  was like, I can do that. That's no big deal.  He made the most beautiful small cabinets. They were all completely square. Got them hung in the room. I loved them.
24:17I just stood there with him and I was like, gaze upon your success.  And it wasn't, it wasn't hard. That's a lot of what growing is. It's a lot of trying something out. And then if there's a mistake, you learn from that, but sometimes it goes well. So, you know, neither one of us grew up in farms. We grew up in farming communities, but you know, we've learned a lot. took classes through Purdue and then.
24:45You know, have just learned along the way things that work and things that don't work and just trying it out. Like you're saying you just try it. even things that aren't necessarily growing food, you know, just owning a farm. You learn how to build things and you learn how to fix things and you just, you know, we can't hire somebody to it. It's about a chicken coop or to fix a fence or we have to just do it ourselves. And so you like neither one of us was very handy when you first moved in here, but we're much handier now than we used to be just to experience and trial and error.
25:15Yeah, I think it's one of the beautiful things about farming and homesteading and all that because you really do have to be a certain kind of person  to be willing to even attempt it. And that certain kind of person is someone who's curious and not afraid to try things. And that's the joy of life, I think.  The other thing I've said a lot on the podcast is that you really have to be a person who can feel your feelings and then move through them.
25:45and step out of them.  that's true.  You know, when we first bought this place,  the home wasn't livable.  So we had to do a lot of work and then  the land had been overgrown. So we had to you know, clear a bunch of stuff.  it was really hard, especially the first four years. And a lot of times we were like, what did we do? You know, why would we have done this?
26:14And so it was a lot of like regret, sometimes regret or just being very unsure about what was happening. feeling in over our heads. Yes. Feeling in over our heads a lot. We've gotten through, I mean, there's still moments of course, but it's not like one thing after another so much anymore. But it's funny just the things that would have upset us back then, you know, when something breaks or we can't figure something else out, you know, now when that happens, like, well, it'll work itself out. That'd be fine. People figure it out eventually.
26:44you learn to rely on the fact that you'll get there. If it needs to be done, you'll get it taken care of. I agree because  I used to, when we first moved here, get really upset about things.  And now,  four and a half years later, I'm like, oh, that thing broke. I guess we either fix it. If we can't fix it, we find somebody to fix it. And if they can't fix it, then we have to buy a new one.  Or you just realize, I don't need to live with this and just not worry about Yes, absolutely.
27:12And I am a firm believer in the primal scream or the good cry. Even things with like our chickens, our animals, if a chicken would have, when our first chicken died, we were sad, we were broke about it. And we're not, not that we don't care now, but it's just like, that's part of why chickens die, or crops fail, or things you build fall apart. it's part of the deal.
27:41dealing with it and learning how to handle it in a mature way is part of the whole process. I love it. It's a beautiful thing to learn that. And that's the other part here is that with you guys having younger people come in, they're learning some of these coping skills ahead of time. I hope so. And that's really important, I think. I had one more thing I was going to say about all of this.
28:09I think it's gone. hate it when I do this. Oh, well, it doesn't matter. It was just one of my things that I'm like, and. So what's the future look like for you guys? Well, I mean, we're not planning on going anywhere. We kind of figured when we bought this place, we're tied to Indianapolis for as long as we can. I always joked with own that I wanted to
28:36bury me up in front of our yard under the magnolia tree there. But, you know, just as like we've been talking about a little bit, things are kind of crazy right now on the road. And I just see places like this, you know, people growing and their own food and doing their own thing, home setting, if you will, or farming as more and more necessary. And I think we're just going keep doing this and keep providing for our community and teaching others to do the same as much as we can. Awesome.
29:06I feel like your place is an oasis of  beauty and good things.  mean, people have definitely said that we feel like that for sure.  We live, the farm is off a pretty significantly busy road,  but  it's got a long driveway. So, and there's a bridge that goes over a creek and it feels like you're in a different space once you cross that bridge.  You know, it just feels, it's quieter.
29:33And open openness, know, in cities, there's not a lot of open spaces. Uh, and so, um, that openness is something is one reason we don't grow on every inch  of our property. Um, just so that there is some openness. feels sort of like,  uh, space to breathe.  would say. Uh-huh. Yes, absolutely. Um,  my last, my last question for you guys is we're rolling into 30 minutes here. Um,
30:02Do you still, if you leave, like if you have to go somewhere to get something and when you're driving back, do you get within like sight of your property and still have that moment of, can't believe that's home? Yes. Yeah. All the time. Apparently regularly. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, there's times where in the winter when it's a little, you know, Indianapolis is kind of bleak in the winter. You know, it's this cold. It can be pretty even when the snow is, but especially in the spring and summer and even in the fall.
30:32because partially because all the trees around us, it's just you pull in and you're like, I can't believe I get to live here. You know, it's such a privilege. And especially for me, I had some kind of terrible little apartments I used to live in, you know, in four areas and it was kind of a rough feeling. But this is just, yeah, it's just, it's so nice to come home to this. Yeah, I, the reason I ask is I get that feeling every single time and we've been here four and a half years. And I
31:01I really wish that everybody would have the chance to experience that feeling of real homecoming.  For sure.  But not everybody does. I think it's sad.  But I'm glad you guys get to experience it because I mention it to people all the time and they're like, you've been there over like almost five years.  You're still madly in love with it. Like the money moving phase is never going to end. I love that place so much. Yeah. And it goes quick, doesn't it? Yeah.
31:30Yeah, I can't believe we'll have been here five years on August  7th. think it is. Yeah, it goes fast. It does because we're so busy living it that you turn around and a month's gone by and then six months have gone by and then five years have gone by. You're like, what happened here? Yeah.  So, all right, guys, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me today and
31:58Keep doing the good work. I mean, you are so important to your community. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for taking the time to talk with us. Oh, for sure. This was great. Thank you. Have a good day.
 

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00:00You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters, and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis.  A Tiny Homestead podcast is sponsored by Homegrown Collective, a free-to-use farm-to-table platform emphasizing local connections with ability to sell online, buy, sell, trade in local garden groups, and help us grow a new food system.  You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe.
00:29Share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Anna at the House and Homestead. Good morning Anna, or afternoon Anna. It's one o'clock in the afternoon here. I  screw up the intro all the time.  Good afternoon Anna. How are you?  I'm good.  sorry Mary, where are you located?  I'm in Minnesota. You're in Minnesota. Okay. So I'm a West on Vancouver Island. So it is actually morning here for me still.
00:57Okay, well, it's one o'clock in the afternoon here, sort of. Fair enough.  Yeah, Vancouver Island, right? Yeah, that's right. In Canada? Yes.  Yes. I looked at your Facebook page this morning or your website or something and I saw Vancouver and I was like,  I swear there's a Vancouver in Washington state, but I think she's in Canada. So now we know.  Yes, yes, there is a Vancouver in Washington state as well, not too far from us as the crow flies, I guess, but we're out on the island now, which is...
01:26Lovely. Yes. And would you believe that I scheduled two interviews on the same day for two women in Canada? I talked to somebody in Canada this morning as well. Oh, no way. Cool. I was like, wow, that was weird. Who knew? And Canada is a great place. have been to visit once. We took the Northern route from  Illinois back to Maine. So drove up to Canada and then across and back down to the Maine because I grew up in Maine.
01:53Oh, cool. You've probably seen more of Canada than I have then. I've been only to Quebec once and I've never even been to like Toronto or anywhere back east. I've traveled way more extensively in the US than I have across the rest of Canada because it's actually quite expensive to get back and forth across Canada using our airlines. Yeah, there's not a ton of competition here. So the prices tend to be high. I used to actually work as a travel agent funnily enough in another life and it was
02:20often cheaper to, I kind of joked it was often cheaper to go to London, England than to London, Ontario. So, you know, if I was going to book a trip, I'm like, well, I may as well go somewhere, somewhere else, you know. Expand your horizons. Yeah. I think I was a teenager when we did that and I actually got wet from the Niagara Falls spray. we stopped in Niagara Falls too. Yeah, it was pretty neat. Okay. So tell me about yourself and the house in Homestead, please. Well, I
02:51grew up with zero homesteading background. I did a little bit of gardening when I was a kid. remember with my grandpa, that was about as close as I ever got to growing food or anything. I remember he had a little backyard garden in the city where we live. I grew up in Vancouver in the city or in a suburb of Vancouver. And yeah, when I was a kid, I remember my grandpa had a little garden in the backyard and he would grow
03:15beans and peas and tomatoes and a few things like that. And that was always a novelty to get them fresh from my grandpa's garden in the summer. And then I would help them out there. But other than that,  I really had no experience growing food or doing any type of like food preservation or even like cooking. didn't like get into cooking for myself until I moved out in my twenties  and, kind of had to figure some of that out.  So I, you know, didn't come from any type of
03:44home setting background.  in  about my mid twenties,  my husband and I, we were engaged at that point, but we were kind of trying to determine what our future would be and where are going to stay in the city? Where are we going to look elsewhere? And  I was just feeling very  disenchanted  with city life. was like that typical kind of stuck caught in the rat race and like, is this how it's going to be forever? And I was struggling with anxiety and  depression and mental health issues at that time.
04:12I'd always noticed that like when we got out into nature and just kind of got away from the traffic noises in the city and the hustle and bustle, I just felt at ease. I felt calm.  And I wanted to, I knew at that point I wanted to get out of the city, but I didn't know what that looked like. And around the same time,  we started watching a lot of documentaries on  Netflix and whatnot at the time. And it was right when
04:37all those big food documentaries were coming out like Food Inc and Farmageddon and all those big kind of food expose, I guess, documentaries. And we started watching those and we're just horrified. I think I knew at the time like industrial meat production and farming and all that stuff was bad, but I didn't really know the ins and outs of it. it started to really open our eyes to that and A, how unhealthy it was, but
05:06be how unsustainable it was as well. And we were just like, you know, this is not going to last forever. And, you know, there's got to be other solutions to this, right? So at the same time, as we were kind of looking at moving out of the city, we were kind of getting it,  the seeds started being planted, that, you know, maybe there was another way to live. And in these documentaries is the first time that I heard the term homesteader come up, at least in the modern sense.
05:31because, you know, they would kind of do these exposés on big egg and whatever. And then they would introduce you to people who were doing things differently and who had chosen to go back to the land and start growing their own food. And it just opened my eyes to this lifestyle as even a possibility. I had never even considered it before. And so, you we kind of put two and two together and we're like, well, if we move out of the city,  maybe we can start doing some of this. Right. And, and, and that really appealed to me at the time because I wanted to be out in nature. I knew I wanted to get back.
06:01the land in some way just for my own mental health.  And so that then kind of became my obsession and I started taking out every book I could, you from the library on homesteading and small scale farming. And,  and then, know, one thing always leads to another.  You inevitably then find, you know, resources on preserving food and on, you know, herbs and making herbal medicine and all these things that kind of fit in with this lifestyle. And so at that point, I was just really learning about it, but I was set on
06:29that wanted to do this and luckily my husband was on board. So after we got married and I finished school, we decided to move out to Vancouver Island. So that's where we are now. So we are in a place called the Comox Valley,  which is about midway up the island. So  a couple hours from the biggest, like the next large city,  but we are growing here as well, but we're kind of just on the outskirts. So we've got kind of a
06:54town, it's still I guess would be considered the you kind of a town, not a big city, but it is growing but we're kind of on the outskirts with I like to say kind of one foot in  rural living and one foot still in suburbia. We are on a quarter acre on a cul-de-sac that kind of backs onto a green belt. So from the front, it looks like we're a pretty average, you know, suburban lot.
07:19And then in the back, backs onto this green space. But out front, we have a large garden.  That's our south facing area. we  just on our quarter acre alone, we grow hundreds of pounds of food every year. We have some backyard chickens.  We're expanding the gardens this year. We're building a greenhouse. do a ton of preserving now. You  know,  the sourdough bread, all the things.  And so in between that, basically to backtrack a bit, I'm getting a little bit off course, but
07:48We had moved out to Vancouver Island and rented at first and we were on, um,  we were on a little bit larger lot,  um, close to an acre, but we had, uh, we were able to put in some raised beds. The owners let us put in some raised beds there and they had a big old apple tree and an old cherry tree. And so that is where I actually started to learn how to garden and how to preserve food and all that. then, so when we bought our place here, um, I had some of those skills and we've just continued to expand ever since.
08:18I love it. I love it when the people I talk to are like, I was a city girl and then I was like, I need more. I'm going crazy living in the city. And then I moved to this lot where we had a little bit of room. We put in some raised beds. We started growing things and wham, I decided I needed to be a homesteader because that's a lot of the stories that I get, it is.
08:42I also get the stories from the people who are like, my grandpa was a farmer, my other grandpa was a farmer, I grew up steeped in growing things and I just had to keep doing it. So  yeah, definitely those are the two ends of the spectrum. I think what I  am trying to lean into right now, because sometimes I feel like because I do this in the space, I write the blog, I help teach others how to do this. I'm the editor of Homestead Living Magazine and I have people reach out sometimes and they're like,
09:07Oh, you know, we're going to be in the area. Can we come see your farm or do you do farm stays? And I'm almost embarrassed sometimes that like to say, well, I don't actually have a farm and it's actually not, you know, I don't think it's what people expect, but where I'm trying to really lean into that is a lot of people are in this situation where they are on a quarter acre or less on a suburban lot. And so what I can show you and tell you for sure is that it is possible to do it on a smaller lot. You don't need to have.
09:36you know, 10 acres and a milk cow, as I like to say, you know, sprawling property in order to, you know, start growing some of your own food.  No, you do not. And I've told the story a billion times in the podcast, but I'm going fill you in really quick.  Before we moved to our three acre lot, we lived on a 10th of an acre lot  in a little town, like a block and a half off Main Street through that little town. And we grew hundreds of pounds of food in our tiny backyard.
10:05just like you're doing.  when we dug out the backyard to get it ready to grow stuff, our neighbors were like, what are you doing? And we told them and they were like, oh, okay. And they seemed very,  very perplexed. And then that fall, when we went around and gave them bags of cucumbers and tomatoes and fresh herbs,  they were like, oh, we get it now. Yeah, totally. Well, I think our neighbors totally think we're crazy, but.
10:31You know, the one good thing is the area that we chose to move to one of the reasons we chose this area Comox Valley  is because there is a very  strong  regenerative farming, organic farming and gardening community here. So  there's a lot of that a lot of local farms that sort of thing, which is great for us because it helps supplement us with whatever we can't produce. you know, we don't have a lot of enough space to be doing a lot of meat production, that sort of thing.
10:55but there's a lot of local farms in the area and a lot of people who are very on board with what we're doing from a sustainability and food security standpoint and you know, all that sort of thing.  But there's a lot of gardeners in the area too. It's just kind of baked in the culture here. So it's not like we're doing anything out of the ordinary.  But you know, I think our neighbors, because everything is in the front and we are still on a cul-de-sac,  do look over at us sometimes and like, oh, what now? So right now, for example, I'm looking at my office window and there's a giant pile of mulch in the driveway that we got.
11:24dropped off from a local arborist  and we have been collecting  cardboard for the past year and we are expanding. have a large fenced front garden, which is what I call the market garden because that's where we have our rows, our in-ground rows.  And then we had, you know, another few hundred square feet of grassy front lawn where we have two septic tanks. So we couldn't put in-ground beds, but
11:47We're now building raised beds. So we are, we've been saving cardboard for the past year. We have now cardboarded over all of the grass and we're putting all this mulch on top. And I said to my husband yesterday, as we were out there, I'm like, I'm sure the neighbors are probably just like, what  are they doing now?  Covering the entire front yard and we're putting gardens in there. So, but there, where there is a will, there is a way. And it sounds really impressive to say, you know, we grow hundreds of pounds of our own food, but when you start doing it, it actually isn't that hard to do that on a fairly small lot.
12:17No, because a good size tomato weighs a pound. Well, exactly. It adds up really quickly. And if you employ, you know, things like vertical gardening and that sort of thing, you know, a lot of the things that we grow, we trellis up and that allows us to grow more in a small space or we, know, prune ruthlessly, we do companion planting. We can get into that if you want, but, you know, we do things that allow us to produce a lot and make the most out of what we got. So have you trellised squash, winter squash yet? I have.
12:46kind of accidentally, had pumpkins naturally climb our fence a couple years ago and I kind of just let it happen. And it seemed to work really well. So I know that sometimes they, I've heard they can get heavy and they can fall off and that sort of thing. think there can be some trickiness to doing heavier, you know, fruits like that when you're chelusing, but we didn't have any issue with it and we grew. I can't remember if that was the same year that we grew. We had a,
13:12some pumpkins. They weren't volunteers. We had planted them, but we planted them right beside our compost bin. And I think it was just great soil. I don't know what the conditions were, but we got 20 pumpkins off one vine that year. We are so I didn't even bother planting them last year. We're still eating through all of the period pumpkin in the freezer and canned pumpkin on our shelves. So.  Fabulous.  The reason I asked about trellising the winter squash is we did it on purpose two summers in a row at the old house because the backyard was not big.
13:40And  we had a couple like 10 to 12 pound squashes grow. the stems on these guys were huge because  the plant should grow a stem big enough to support the growing fruit.  And  it was really funny because when I told my dad we were going to do this that first year, he's  grown a garden for years. He knows about gardening.  And he was like,  your squashes are going to fall off. And I was like, not true.
14:10And he said, okay. I think the trick is maybe that  it's maybe if you let them grow and then you try to trellis them, that's maybe where people have the issue.  Then they're not used to supporting that way. But if you let them actually grow  on the trellis, then they kind of it's almost like flexing a muscle, right? They develop that thicker stem and vine to support that fruit as it grows slowly. Yeah. Well, we took pictures as they develop so I could send them to my dad so he could see the process.
14:39And when we harvested the  squashes, I laid them on my kitchen counter and I measured that. put the ruler  along it  so that he could see how long the squashes were and how wide they were at the bottom. were butternut squashed. And I said, these are the squashes that did not fall off the vines. And he was like, I will be damned. had no idea. Yeah. So  he was very impressed with our gardening skills for never really having garden before. Yeah, no kidding. Oh, grateful.
15:07Yeah, it was great. And I keep asking my husband if he's going to do it here. And he's like, no, because we have the room for them spread out into the yard. I'm like, yeah, OK. But then we could do something else with that space. That's what I'm always thinking. As we're expanding our gardens now, I'm trying to set it up so that we can have cattle panels set up so that we can. Because the one thing with our garden where it is, the way the rows run north to south,
15:36or sorry, yeah, if not, that's not true, east to west. And so where the sun comes up,  if we put archways over the rows, right, connecting the rows, then the the whatever's growing at the back would get shaded out. Yeah, if that makes sense. but the way that we're going to set up our new beds, hopefully we'll have them running  north to south, so that then we can put  more
15:58trellises up, more archways up between the beds and then grow more vertically. So, but these are all things too that we've learned and that we're still experimenting with. You know, we're about 10 years into  actively gardening now.  And you you learn new things every day, as you know, you're kind of never done. There's something always that is, you know, new to learn or experiment with. So we'll see how this goes for us. Something new for us. Yeah, I compare gardening to writing a book.
16:26because yeah, you'll eventually reach the end of writing the book. But I have talked to a lot of people who have written books and they're like, I'm always thinking of ways I could have done it differently. Yeah, or like editing, you know? And I said that the other day, we just dug up our blueberries and strawberries and replanted them for the third time because as we do expand, then, you know, it makes sense to like reconfigure a bit. like, actually, they should go here and we should do the bed this way and then we can fit this in. And  right. And I'm like, I feel like everything that we ever, this is why I do like.
16:55I love perennials because in theory you plant them once and then never have to do it again.  But it seems like with all of our perennial plants, whether they are edibles or I'm getting more into flower gardening and ornamentals and stuff, it doesn't matter what I do. I always end up digging everything up at least once and putting it somewhere else because I'm a very visual person too. So when you plant
17:16a seed or root stock or a bulb, I need to see it  in full bloom and like in its full glory before I know if that's the right spot for it, right? So that's where annual gardening is actually really nice is because if you do something wrong or you don't like it one year, like just restart and do it all over again the next year and do it differently, you know?  Absolutely.  And speaking of  perennials,  I love peonies.
17:41Like anyone who's listening to podcast knows I freaking adore peonies. And we  have a bunch we put in when we moved here.  And the problem with peonies is you can't see them in full bloom for three years.  So when we started putting peonies in, my husband was like, where do you want them? And I'm like, I don't care. I just want them in the ground because I want flowers three years from now.  And he was like, OK. He said, here's what I'm thinking. And he showed me what he was thinking. He wanted to line the driveway on the house side.
18:10And he wanted to do like a circle of peonies where the driveway rounds out.  And I was like, that's fine.  And I trust him. He's the gardener. He loves gardening. And  last year was the first year where everything really bloomed heavy for the first time, because it was the third spring.  And it's gorgeous and I'm in love with it. And I remembered him saying, how do you want me to do this? And me being like, I don't care. Get them in the ground.
18:39So one morning it was just pinks and corals and yellows and burgundies and whites and I came in and I was like, I love you so much. He had no idea what I was saying.  And he said, what happened? And I said, have you looked at the peonies spread out there?  He was like, well, yeah. I said, you did it exactly the way I said. I said, get it in the ground so I'll have flowers in three years. with those.
19:06Yeah, I was gonna say that's my philosophy too. I'm like, as long as I get in the ground, if I do have to move something, like whatever, but at least I've got it now, you know? Yeah, exactly. So anything that takes three years to bloom, I think not being me, being somebody else, anyone else would want to maybe think about where they want to put stuff. Me, I was just like, I don't care, just put them in. Yeah. So totally. Well, it's good to know on the peonies because I actually want to get at least one peony bush, I guess it would be.
19:34in the ground this year. I tried roses last year. Do you grow roses?  Not here, no. Okay, yeah, because I tried.  We planted some bare root roses last year and they just died right away. Yeah. And I think we didn't soak them first. that this is, want to get into roses necessarily here,  you know, I am, it's funny because now we've been doing the vegetable and even fruit gardening for a number of years, edible gardening, but flowers is something new for me. And there are little things that they, and especially each variety that
20:02needs that is different. I'm, you know, I've already had my share of struggles with flowers. Some of them have done really well, but the roses, of course, the most expensive things I purchased, bare root roses, and they both like died right away last year. So I think we didn't soak them properly. But I also think we probably planted them in the wrong area. So we'll see. I'm going to try them again this year. Luckily, they're going to send me some replacements this year. So I better get it right.  Can I, can I give you a couple hints or suggestions? Yes.
20:31We grew William Baffin climbing roses at the old house and they went up a trellis because they were climbing roses.  They are one of the closest to wild roses you can get. They did fantastic and they do like three blushes of blooms a summer. do the spring, midsummer and then you might get a third one in like September. They're  not the roses that you would ever cut and put in a vase. They're more like a bush.
21:01They're beautiful and they're pretty forgiving to grow.  nice. Well, I do have some David Austin roses on order.  got them, my order in nice and early this year because there's,  you can't get them as easily here in Canada.  So there is one local supplier, but they sell out of most of the varieties pretty quick. So they're shipping in a month or so, but  I have looked at the wild, the more like closely related to wild roses as well.
21:28Simply because I would imagine, I if you know this, but  I would imagine those have similar medicinal properties then to wild roses. The rose hips, Yeah, with the rose hips and that sort of thing. Because we do that, actually, we have a lot of wild roses that grow around where we live.  So we will often go gather rose hips in the fall  and make medicines and syrups and things out of them. But yeah, so I've thought about adding some wild type roses to our property as well for that. But we have a lot of that stuff that we can forage as well.
21:58Uh-huh. Yeah. The farther away you get from the wild rose, the less the roses smell good. The William Baffins, every time they bloomed, we'd have the windows open. You could just smell them. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, they were so pretty. I don't have roses here because roses are a favorite of  the black beetles. I can't think of the names. Not Asian beetles. Japanese beetles. Mm-hmm.
22:22And  we don't have any Japanese beetles on our property. I don't want to give them a smorgasbord. Yeah, no kidding. can't eat. So we just haven't done it.  Well, we'll see. Our garden that we're expanding this year, so we're doing, so like I say, we have our large,  what I call the market garden just because the way we grow is in like market rows.  And we do a lot of companion planting where we're planting certain vegetables with others that do well and support each other.  But we do tend to just because of the way my brain likes to organize things.
22:50plant everything together in one row, right? So it'll be like all the broccoli and onions together and some nasturtiums, but they're all in like one row together.  Just that makes it easy for me too, as far as then I know where it was, then I can rotate it.  But the way that we're expanding our new garden, this year we're doing it more of like a cottage garden. So my hope for it  is that it's gonna be just kind of a mix of like ornamental flowers. My daughter is eight years old and she's really into like making little.
23:17flower bouquets and I'm really trying to bring her into the gardening world, but she's not as into like weeding  the garden and growing the vegetables as I am, but she's into the flowers. I'm really trying to support that. So we're cut flowers. We're doing kind of ornamental flowers in the garden.  Lots of like herbs and medicinal herbs and that sort of thing. And then I want to be able to kind of throw in the odd food plant. So it's going to be much more organic feeling, I guess. Nice.  All plants breathe out  oxygen. So grow all the plants.
23:46Doesn't matter what kind.  Exactly.  OK, can we  can we chat about Homestead Living for a minute or you not? Yes. No, no, Let's go for it.  OK, so you're the editor in chief. How did that happen?  Yeah, funny story. So Homestead Living just  briefly for anybody who doesn't know, we are a  monthly print  and digital magazine.  started up  the company itself, started up, I believe it was twenty twenty two.
24:16and launched with a  digital quarterly magazine and basically  included articles on everything related to homesteading. So gardening and preserving and herbal medicine and  raising livestock and all that stuff. And had people from all across the homesteading world, at least people who are in kind of the online world and publishing and that sort of thing as well, submit articles for
24:44the digital magazine and it gained a lot of traction pretty quickly. And over the course of two years, they put out four or four digital issues per year.  And then comb that culminated in an annual issue, which they offered as print and the response was really great to print. think homesteaders in specific, while a lot of other print publications are dying out and going to digital, we're doing the opposite because homesteaders really like tangible things they can actually hold in their hands and keep on their shelves and refer back to over and over again.
25:14So by the end of 2023, they had decided that they wanted to go full on with a monthly print magazine.  And so  one of the co-founders is Melissa K. Norris, who runs  the Pioneering Today podcast  and her website, melissakenorris.com. And so  she had kind of been acting as editor until then, but she also runs the Modern Homesitting Conference and  has a bunch of businesses and things that she does.
25:42I don't know how she does it.  Yeah, me neither. I  honestly don't.  Yeah, she's got a lot of things going on. And so she just couldn't take on the role of full-time editor,  especially for a monthly print magazine. So they were looking for an editor. And at the very same time, serendipitously, I had actually been running my own digital magazine for the past four years prior to that.  So I had a magazine called Modern Homesteading Magazine.
26:08which had gone from being a monthly digital to a quarterly digital  as production costs got higher.  And people again, really wanted print and me being in Canada  made it, and most of my readers being in the US made it very difficult just as far as the logistics and the cost of printing and shipping. didn't matter how many times I crunched the numbers or tried to make it work.  There was no way it was gonna be sustainable.
26:34I would have had to charge an arm and a leg to even break even, let alone make a profit. And so I just, I wasn't sure what I was going to do with this. so I decided to end it  and actually put out my own print magazine just as a thank you to anybody who wanted to order and support that.  And it was kind of a culmination of everything I had put out for the past few years. So as I was advertising this and saying, hey, we're shutting it down, but as a thank you, if you would like to order this commemorative print issue, here it is.
27:01Melissa saw that and it just happened to be the right timing that as I was shutting that down, they were looking for an editor. So they asked me to meet with them and I was offered the role of editor in chief, which was just amazing because  I love doing this. I actually have a background in journalism. went in my first degree. went to school for journalism. I've always loved writing and creating content.  I have a magazine that I made when I was six years old, like, you know, handmade for a class project that I still have saved. just, I loved, I don't know why.
27:30It's always been a passion of mine to create content and share my own passions with the world. And that's what first led me to writing my blog. But so I basically came on with Homestead Living in January of 2024, and I have been the editor ever since. So I now kind of run both things. technically my day job is with Homestead Living. And then I also run the house in Homestead on the side.
27:57you know, have some courses in a membership program  and that sort of thing through there.  you becoming editor in chief, Homestead Living was kismet. That's what It really was. And I said, you know, call it God or whatever you want to call it. But I felt like that whole year as I was trying to, you know, work out the logistics and what do I do? And I don't  want to shut this down, but because I kept saying, you know, if I could just do the editing part, not worry about all the logistics, right?  And I just, something kept saying, you need to let it go.
28:27You need to let it go. And so I listened to that voice.  And when they, had the meeting with them, they said, well, what, what, what are you going to do next? I'm like, you know, I don't know. Maybe I'll do a podcast. Maybe I'll do you too. I'm not, I'm not really sure. And then this was offered.  And so it really was as one door closed, another one open. And it was exactly what I was looking for. I had said this to my husband. like, I, I could just be the editor  and not worrying about, you know, the marketing and the shipping and that's exactly the role I'm in now. So it really, really was  meant to be, I feel like.
28:55Well, congratulations, however many years later, because that's a great story. Yeah. For the listeners who haven't actually subscribed to Homestead Living, I have a subscription to it and it is a beautiful magazine.  really is. you. And you have like people like Joel Salatin, but you also have like everyday people too, who write. Yeah. And that's really great.
29:21Yeah, really,  we're so lucky to have Joel. He's a regular contributor. So he's in every issue and he's so great. He's so funny. I always, he's just says, you know, feed me, feed me what you want me to write about. So  for any listeners out there who are subscribers, if there is anything you would like Mr. Joel Saliton to write about ever,  please write in and let us know. But I'm always just feeding him ideas and he's like, great. Yeah, I'm on it. And he'll write about whatever we want him to share information on. Of course, he's a wealth of information and knowledge on home setting.
29:50But you know, I also like to showcase people from maybe that either aren't as well known or are different points in their journey or are homesteading in different areas or, you know, kind of specialize in different things because there are a lot of beginners out there too. And sometimes a Joel can make it feel like, well, this is great, but I'll never be Joel Saliton, right? Or this is way, even sometimes with some of the things he writes is beyond where I'm at.
30:16right? And I'm like, okay, I'm to take your word for it because I'm not this far into, you know, certainly farming and raising livestock and all that sort of thing. So I really like to have a blend of all sorts of different people doing this homesteading thing, you know, at different points in the journey and in different areas and that sort of thing. Yes. My son is living in Nebraska right now. They moved in two winters ago and he had been living in Phoenix, Arizona, where it's hot.
30:46and you can't really grow anything.  So this is their first summer where they're really gonna get into putting in a garden.  And I asked him, said, will you and your wife please come on the podcast and talk to me about the beginning of what you're doing?  And he was like, we don't know anything. And I said, that's the point. You don't know anything. Tell me about your plans. Tell me what you're thinking.  And I asked him this last year and he was like, I don't want to. And I was like, okay, fine.
31:14So then it came for Thanksgiving this past year and I said, so you ready to talk to me on the podcast yet? And he's like, let me find a time. Yes, we're ready.  So that will be fun because they are, they are pretty new. mean, he grew up watching his dad garden, but they're new at doing it themselves. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm very excited about this. I wonder what they're going to tell me and what they're going to tell me we did wrong.  Well, and the fact is too, like most people are new to this. You know, if you just look at like,
31:43everybody who's  been getting into this homesteading movement, especially over the past few years, ever since COVID especially, right?  There's been a big movement to like try to produce some of our own food and obviously sourdough took off  when COVID first hit and like there's been a renewed interest in this  once again.  And so I'd say still like the vast majority of people are still in the beginning stages of this, right?  Even the feedback that we get from people when we say, know, what do wanna learn about? Most of it  is how do I get started?
32:13How do I start a garden? How do I start with, you know, baby chicks? Like, what do, what is the first thing I do, right? But then we do have people that are much further along as well. So again, from a content perspective, I try to kind of appeal to all of that and include something in every issue that is going to be good for, you know, a beginner and intermediate and somebody that's more advanced. Yes. And the first thing I would say to anybody who is asking about how I get started with chickens is make sure you tell them that first egg is going to be worth about a
32:41thousand dollars of their money. Right? Oh my goodness. you know, now, yeah, nowadays, I feel like it's definitely worth it. It's funny because my family being in the city, a lot of them still, I think a lot of them still think it's like a phase we're going through, like, yeah, okay, your little homesteading thing and you'll come around one day, right? But my dad called the other day and he was like, you guys still got those chickens? I said, yeah. He goes, okay, good thing because, you know, I hear they're going to be going to like $11 a dozen or something up here soon.
33:09And my stepmom actually, he probably got that info from her because she is very high up in one of our national grocery chains here. So we get all the kind of advanced info on what food prices are going to do. But yeah, all of a sudden we don't look so crazy, right? So it is a big investment at first for some of these things. But I have definitely seen a payoff in the long run, for sure.
33:32Yeah, us too.  We have chickens too. Again, we have new chickens and they're giving us these beautiful eggs.  We've gotten like three double yokers in the last three weeks. Oh, nice.  And it's always so...  I was gonna say we've got some actually ready to hatch. think possibly today we're waiting. It looks like one's  starting to break through their shell and incubator. So that's another first for us. We've had chickens for a number of years, but this is the first time we're hatching our own. So that's really exciting.
33:59fun. Your kids are going to be so excited to watch it. Yeah. Totally.  Okay. I want go back to Joel real quick. Um, I don't want to fangirl about Joel because I'm not that kind of girl, but he said yes to being on the podcast months, months ago, months ago. And he came on the episode was released months ago.  He is one of the most generous souls with his information and his time.
34:25Yes. And I just, like him so much. I've never met him. I probably never will,  but he is just so kind and so helpful. He is. And it's so funny you say that I try not to fangirl out too much either, but Joel really was pivotal in our journey as he is in so many people's journeys. Because I mean, well, think about it. was saying that  we kind of got into this when we started watching some of those food documentaries and he was in a lot of those. Right?  So that was, you know, one of the first.
34:53faces that we ever put to this homesteading movement.  And I have been so blessed throughout my  career, both as a blogger and doing my own magazine and then now doing Homestead Living,  to have got to meet sometimes virtually, sometimes in person, so many incredible homesteaders across the space.  I got to for the January issue of Homestead Living  interview Ivan and Eve Kilcher, who are on Alaska, The Last Frontier. that was, we used to watch that show when we still lived in our like city condo.
35:21And so that was a full circle moment for me. And same thing, like we were on Zoom, but they were just on their couch and  so down to earth. We could have chatted all day.  So it's just, yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. And you never know, I got to meet Joel in person twice last year at the Homestead Festival down in Tennessee, and then the Modern Homesteading Conference in  Idaho. And I'll be at the Modern Homesteading Conference again this year in June. So if you ever make it out there.
35:48Lots of cool people that get to meet in person and just having that kind of in-person camaraderie with other people who are all into this lifestyle and doing the homesteading thing is very cool. Yeah, and these conferences that are popping up all over the place.  To the listeners, if you're interested in homesteading  and you want to find out how to get started,  if you can swing it, go to one of these conferences because  I've talked to so many people.
36:17over the last eight months who have either been doing a small little get together  or a huge conference  and  they're everything they're teaching is is stuff you want to learn to get started in this.  So go, go do it if you want to. And a lot of it you can learn online again, right? That's the beauty of the online world, but there is something different about being in person. Like the energy is just different, you know?  And then there's some things like Joel often teaches,  you know,
36:47like a master class basically on chicken butchering, which is something that's a lot harder to find online. I think there are paid courses and that sort of thing that you can get that sort of information through. typically YouTube's not letting you post all the graphic details of that. And if you're wanting to learn how to do it,  you need to be able to see it close up and hands on and everything, right? So there are some things that I think just being in person for you can't, there's no real substitute for it. So.  Exactly.
37:14All right, well, Anna, we're at like 36 minutes. I try to keep these to half an hour, but I definitely wanted to talk to you about the magazine and I wanted to talk to you about what you're doing.  And anyone listening, if you want to see what a homesteader does in their spare time, quote unquote, spare time,  go check out Anna's  Facebook page for the house and homestead because she's got so much stuff on there. I learned something today when I looked at it.
37:39That's so funny that you said that. soon as you said that, like, what's, I have, there's no spare time. Every spare time, every spare minute we're, you know, building, we're doing something, but it is really what we love to do. And  yeah, for sure. I'd say,  check out, just go straight to the blog even. I'm not, I don't do as much on Facebook as I probably should.  But yeah, if you head to the house and homestead.com, I've got tons of resources on there.  If you're just getting into this too.
38:04I developed an ebook for,  I presented at the Modern Homesteading Conference last year and had an ebook to go along with that presentation that I've got on my website now. So it's called Homestead Wherever You Are. And I basically just walk you through like, here are the different things that you can do as far as growing food, preparing, preserving food, making your own medicine, making your own personal care products, all that stuff.
38:26here's what you can do at an apartment level. Here's what you can do at, you know,  a small suburb on a small suburban lot. Here's what you can do on a larger scale. So that no matter where you are or where you're starting at with this,  there's an entry point for you.  Yeah. And I would say that you are swimming in the deep end of homesteading. So you're the one to go to.  We're definitely, we're definitely in deep for sure. And it's funny because I would love to have more.
38:53land one day, but at the same time, I'm like, I'm perfectly happy where we are.  I don't think I could almost handle taking on more than we're doing right now.  So like I say, we're growing a lot, we're doing a lot here. And then we  go to our local farmers for everything else, right? We get our side of beef that we put in the freezer in the fall from a local farm. And,  you know, and so that's been really, you know, great for us too. And something that I always recommend to other people is if you're not able to do it yourself, find somebody close to you that is doing it. And then, you know,
39:23connect with them, right? Because a lot of this is about finding community with others that value, you know, food security and sustainability as well.  Certainly.  Anna, it has been a joy to talk with you today. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much for having me. All right. You have a great day. You too.
 

The Homestead Farm

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00:00You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters, and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis.  A Tiny Homestead podcast is sponsored by Homegrown Collective, a free-to-use farm-to-table platform emphasizing local connections with ability to sell online, buy, sell, trade in local garden groups, and help us grow a new food system.  You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe.
00:29share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Jessie at the Homestead Farm. I love the name of your place, Jessie. Good afternoon. How are you?  I am great. How are you doing? And thank you by the way. Oh, you're welcome. I'm great. It's a beautiful day in Minnesota. You're in Washington state and you said it's raining.  It's actually dry right now, but it's very wet outside. The mud goes up to your knees down in the cow pasture.
00:54Gross. That's no fun. We're excited for a sun tomorrow. 74 it says. We'll see what happens. Well, maybe you'll get a couple of days and we'll dry it out some. It'd be nice. It'd be nice. And then we've got thunderstorms and rain coming up after that. But hey, spring is here, but summer, guess, is slowly approaching. So we'll have dry soon. Yeah. Let's not wish spring away because here in Minnesota, winters are long and cold. Yes. Yes, absolutely.
01:23We have to eke out every piece of beauty and an amazingness from the point that spring hits until winter arrives.  Okay. Nice to see all the green things popping up everywhere. I love that part of spring. The baby's being born on the farm and everything else. It's awesome seeing all the new life.  Yeah. If I, if I actually lived on an actual farm, I would never be inside. Yeah.  Ever.  So.
01:53All right, so tell me about yourself and the Homestead Farm. So I am Jessie. Hello everybody.  And I started the actual business, the Homestead Farm,  just over three years ago.  I bought this place nine or 10 years ago  with a dream of having a hobby farm and living off the land. It's only nine acres here, but we are using  every square inch  of  it.
02:19So yeah, I moved in nine years ago, 10 years ago, and  I owned a cleaning business. I went to college before that for graphic design and just it wasn't my thing sitting at a computer.  I worked my butt off and  met an amazing man who made help to make all this possible. And I actually am now a stay at home farm girl, which has really been my dream for a long, time.
02:45So yeah, we've got cows, goats, chickens, turkeys, some guinea hens, and a bunch of dogs. How many dogs?  Right now we have nine, but  five of those are puppies that are going to their new homes very soon. We've got some great Pyrenees puppies that are just awesome and they're in training right now to be livestock guardian dogs.  Well, if anybody's in Washington state and looking for a great Pyrenees puppy, you know who to contact now.
03:13Yes, I love it. We've got three three left available. So, okay good  Yeah, only have one dog. I talk it talk about her all the time I probably should not even bring her up, but I'm going to anyway  Her her name is Maggie and she is a mini Australian Shepherd and she is  the love of my life Even though I have four adult grown children.  I  Love dogs. I think they're just the best thing on this planet. So I have I had kids though. So there's that
03:43Yeah,  our oldest son came to visit just like a week or so after we got Maggie, so she must have been nine or 10 weeks old.  And  I have never had a puppy.  I was  as anxious about a puppy as I was about my newborn babies. And he was like, she's a dog. I'm like, no, she's the baby.
04:08And he was like, oh god, you're going to be so in love. I said, I'm already so in love. I can't stand it. This is making me insane. He said, this is why we never got a dog when we were kids, because you wouldn't have been able to raise us. You've been too busy raising the dog. I sense a bit of jealousy there. He's giving me hard time, because I don't think he remembers seeing me that in love with anything. And his youngest brother is, I think.
04:3810 years younger than him. So he sort of remembers when we brought the youngest home. But it's a whole different kind of love, you know?  You don't hold a baby and pet it and kiss its nose and tell it it's a good girl. You know,  it's a whole different thing.  So  anyway, that's my thing about Maggie today. Maggie was  not feeling well last night, so I've been a little concerned about her this morning. Poor Maggie. Well, we'll be thinking about her from over here.
05:07Yeah, but she ate her breakfast and she hasn't been sick yet. I think something just messed with her tummy last night. So let's keep our fingers crossed. It's nothing major because major is bad when it comes to dog  doctors. we're not... Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. That's a real hard thing to come by out here, it feels like.  Yeah, we have a great vet, but  veterinary care is extremely expensive.
05:30So I would just assume not have to drop like, you know, $2,000 in this dog right now. you're lucky. Come on, think you got this, girl. Yeah, she's fine. Oh, good. She's fine until I realize she isn't fine and then we do everything we can for her. So we're good. Okay. So I saw that you have some big event coming up on the 27th. Is that correct? I do.
05:55actually going to be teaching our very first workshop at the Woodland Corner Store, which is our local little  corner store. We  sold vegetables there last year.  They sell all of our,  we make goat milk soap and tallow and a bunch of  all natural skincare that I source what I can locally and it's all made right here on the farm by me.  I do have a couple other helpers too.  But yes, we will be doing a workshop. And that was kind of one of the things when I started this
06:25quote unquote business was  we wanted to share the knowledge that we have with our community on the lost arts, if you will,  just the old ways of doing things that people just don't even  know anymore. And of course, there's a lot of things we don't know that we would love to learn from our community. I really had just really huge dreams and goals of creating this kind of communal space of sharing, which this is kind of the first step.
06:53towards that and who knows what it will end up looking like in the long run.  yes, very excited. We're going to be doing a, we call it the homestead kitchen.  So it will be based on kind of tips and hacks in the kitchen ways to avoid using  chemical things like living the toxin free life,  zero waste  situation. We  try to put everything to use on the farm. So
07:22If we  harvest an animal, know, the dogs get anything that the people don't eat and  we use the bones in the garden  if the dogs don't eat them.  So just things, you know, trying to  share with people ways to save money, save time,  and just kind of get everyone back to their roots. It's just something we've just become really disconnected with a lot of things in today's society. So really excited to share with some people.
07:49Yep, you're speaking my language, Jessie.  When I think of  trying to clean things without using any store-bought cleaners,  the first thing that comes into my head is vinegar. Yes, that's one of the stars of the show.  And it works. It actually works.  and you know, the thing I often hear from people is, I hate the smell of vinegar. And I myself don't, you know, I'm not a big fan either, but...
08:16We're actually going to be doing infused vinegar cleaner. So you can, you know, infuse it as long as you'd like until it does not smell so bad if that's your thing. You know, a lot of people don't mind the smell of vinegar, but there are ways around a lot of the things, you know, reasons why people don't want to use these things. There are ways around it and other options. And that's another thing was I'm going to be sending everyone home with a workbook on ways to kind of make it work for you and your household if, you know,
08:44the mainstream thing isn't working. So,  and then just ways to use natural products like beeswax is another huge one. mean,  we just sealed my guys boots with it last night.  And then we're gonna be making the beeswax food wraps and baking soda is a huge one. It's just a lot of simple things that a lot of people have in their house. If not in their house, they've got them available to buy in their community that's made, you know, in their location.  And they're just very valuable.
09:14Yeah, baking soda is fantastic for unclogging drains.  Yes,  and kind of fun too.  Yes, yes, volcano cleaner. huh. thing about vinegar though is that people think that if you use vinegar to clean with your house is going to smell like vinegar all day.  It doesn't, it dissipates really fast. Yeah.  Yes, it does. You've got it. Absolutely. And especially using, you know, we have a lot of trees around here.
09:42You can find, you know, we save tree  branches from our Christmas tree and that's one of the things I love infusing in my vinegar and it smells like pine or fur, whatever you choose, cedar.  That's another really awesome one. Yeah, and you can put, I  hear, I haven't done it, you can put lemon peel in vinegar. Lemon peels, orange peels, lime peels. I actually have some grapefruit peels for our class on Thursday.
10:09So if you really hate the smell of vinegar, you can make it not so bad. honestly, okay, we're going back to Maggie for a minute. When Maggie was a puppy, she chewed on everything. She was a puppy and she was teething. And I found out about this spray called Bitter Apple and all it is, is apple cider vinegar and white vinegar mixed together, half and half. And most dogs hate the smell, the fume smell.
10:39of it when you spray it.  And  we would spray that on our furniture because she was trying to chew holes in our futon mattresses. And if we sprayed it on there, she would not go near it. However,  if you dripped any vinegar on the floor, she loved the taste of vinegar. like, what are you doing?
11:01So we sprayed this bitter apple stuff at least three times daily if she was chewing something she should not have been chewing. And our house didn't smell like vinegar. It did right then, but half an hour later, you'd never know we'd used it. Yeah, yeah. So  I can attest to the fact that it goes away really fast.  Yes, it does.  And for anybody with a puppy, try that bitter apple mix because  it works.
11:30She does not chew on anything she's not supposed to chew on. Good, she learned it. Yeah, she'll be five this August and  she doesn't chew on anything. And if she's being crazy for no reason, like if she's just bouncy and we need her to calm down, we just spray that in the air once, one pull on  the spray bottle trigger. The minute she smells it, she just lays down looks at us like, okay, I get it.
11:59It works.  It really, really works. Yeah.  That's a really good tip for new dog owners too.  Yeah. And it doesn't hurt them.  does not hurt them at all. Yeah. You're not yelling at them. You're not swatting them with a rolled up magazine. You're just putting something in the air that they do not like. you,  you obviously you don't just spray it for the hell of it.  If they're doing something they're not supposed to do like chewing on your mattress, you spray it and you say,  no.
12:29You don't yell, just say no. And they start to associate no with they're not supposed to do it because they don't like the smell.  Yep. Easy peasy.  It's fantastic. I'm so glad I read about it. I found it on Google. I was like, how do get my dog to stop eating everything? anyway, good hint for the people who are going to adopt your three leftover puppies. Right? There we go. Just tell them.
12:59Tell them and explain it and make them believe it because it'll make their puppy such a good dog. Okay, wow, I didn't know I was gonna be talking about Maggie this much today. I've been trying... I love dogs so I am more than happy to talk about Maggie. Yeah, I've been trying to avoid talking about her because honest to God, the first six months of the podcast, Maggie comes up in almost every single episode.
13:22I'm like, dude, I am sickening with my love for this dog. No, you're not. Other dog owners and dog lovers totally get it. Uh-huh. And those who can't stand dogs are like, I wish you'd stop talking about that damn dog.  So anyway,  all right. So  you said you have critters. now that I talked about Maggie, I can't remember all the critters you have. know you have dogs. Yeah.
13:50Yeah, we've got,  so I'd say the biggest,  we have a lot of chickens. I don't even know how many, I think last time we really kind of did a count, had about 200. Oh wow. Of course, we live  out in big cat country and  there were a lot of coyotes before we got  our, Whiskey is our main lifestyle guardian dog.  She's amazing.
14:13We've actually had neighbors all up and down the mountainside thank us because there's a few coyotes left everywhere. She's around about a town but we free range our birds. We have no fences and we do have a lot of open area on our property. So we do lose some birds here and there. I it happens.
14:35But for the most part, they just kind of, we don't buy chicks. They repopulate on their own by going off into the bushes and coming back with, I think 16 was our biggest clutch of chicks that a hen showed up with last spring. So that was pretty impressive. So yeah, we stay right around 200 or so. We tried to do turkeys a few years ago.
15:01big snowfall overnight snowfall. I mean, you probably  wouldn't blink an eye at this, but I think we got like eight or nine inches overnight when they said it wasn't going to snow and it collapsed our  netted in turkey, big turkey run. And we've had free range turkeys ever since then. So  they also did the same last year they went out and tried to have babies  off in the woods  and never came back. So we have very few turkeys now they're more just pets at this point.
15:30They're such nice birds, but my gosh, they're a lot,  you know, they like to travel a lot more than the chickens do. So  it's hard.  And then we've got goats. We breed  dairy goats that I use the milk in our soaps. And then  we have cows,  just meat cows and just four of them.  And we're not sure where that's gonna go. The cattle prices right now are just insane.  So we'll see how that goes.
15:59We're talking about adding pigs again. We've had pigs before,  but they just,  I don't know, we didn't have the best pig experience. So let's hope this go around. We, you know, bring our knowledge with us and make more better choices.  How many you looking at getting?  Probably just a few. We have about two acres that are, it's brush and trees and we kind of want to get that cleared out. So we thought we'd fence it in and let the pigs do the work for us. Every animal has a job. So.  Yeah.
16:29Okay. You said that one of your chickens brought in 16 or 17 chicks. have a question about that because I haven't talked to anybody who just lets their chickens do what nature does. Do the mama chickens actually like take care of the chicks? Do they teach them anything or? They take care of them until they go off and start mating with and doing their own thing. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Awesome to watch these mama hens protect their babies. I mean,
16:58They are, if our dogs go anywhere near him, she's chasing our dogs off.  It's really impressive. Chickens are amazing moms. However, we do have one chicken. She was born with one eye. We don't know if maybe she got pecked when she was really little, but I think it's more of a, or she's deformed, I guess. don't know.  she was, she's,  she's never sat on eggs. So it was kind of weird. My boyfriend was down in our neighbor's pasture helping them with something and.
17:26He comes up to the house, Jessica, go get the car, get the car. Henny had babies down in the neighbor's pasture. I'm like, what? This chicken's five years old, okay? So the fact she's even still laying is cool, but go get her babies and we get them set up in a tent here up by the house in the yard. And she literally, the first chance she could get, she took off. It was like, okay, mom, dad's got the babies, bye. Oh wow.
17:52I don't know. She's never been one to be broody or sit on a clutch of eggs. So I don't know what tickled her to do that, but she did and just trusted us enough to take care of them.  Well, congratulations. You're now the parents of chickens.  Right. All the time. Let me tell you. Oh my goodness. yes, there's a reason why most people don't just let natural chicken things happen. I mean, I will tell you they, it's,  I laugh.
18:20Because it's I can laugh at it now, but it's like you said spring is upon us. But for us, spring means, oh my word, the chickens, the chickens are going to start doing their thing. We've had babies born in places that you wouldn't even know. And it's like, oh my gosh.  we find that our eggs are just spectacular without having  fences. I mean, our eggs are just amazing.  Not to mention we have very little issues with chicken health because they're not stuck in a pen.
18:49And I know this isn't an option for everyone, so no judgment of course, this is just what works for us. And when I say works,  it's a gray area.  They're definitely a lot healthier because I mean, they're out eating whatever they want. They can forage anywhere on nine acres  and our neighbor's house, if I'm being honest. Their kids love it. So,  but yeah, they get to eat their natural diet, you know,  and then whatever we feed is just supplemental really. Yeah, we have...
19:1712 chickens right now and my husband's been letting them have the property to roam, is three acres. Perfect. That's awesome. That's a big space for 12 chickens. Yeah. And those chickens are going to be some angry come May because we try to get our garden planted the last two weeks of May. And my husband doesn't want to put a fence up because he mows around the garden. The garden's 100 feet by 150 feet.
19:43And if he puts the fence up, he can't get the edges.  like all the weeds grow up along the fence.  the chickens are going to be relegated to their run come mid May. And the run is pretty big. You know, it's, not like a little tiny tunnel. It's a big fenced in area around the coop. So they'll be fine. And they definitely enjoy being able to be outside and scratch and dig for bugs and  worms and stuffs.
20:13But my husband also, when he's getting ready to plant the garden, he digs, know, he tills a little bit. And if he finds any worms, he puts them in a can and he takes the can over and he throws the worms into the run one at a time. And the chickens lose their minds. So there's ways around not having them free range, but having them have some room to play. Yep, yep. And fodder too, that's something that...
20:41I tried because it was all over the internet there a couple years back and I was like, okay, I'll grow some fodder for my chickens that sprouted seeds and trays and they could care less. I was so disappointed because they did a big thing on our social media like, oh, watch us grow fodder for our chickens and they literally looked at that and walked away and I was like, okay, I guess they do free range but I was so disappointed. I'm like, do you guys realize how hard it worked for this?
21:09They did not, but good job trying. I swear my husband grows kale for the chickens. Yes, we grow it for the goats. Yep. I mean, he'll take some of the farmers market and people who want it for those smoothies will buy it, but a lot of kale goes to the chickens over the summer. Well, it just grows so prolific. I mean, out here anyway, it grows amazingly. And last year we even had it survive the winter, which was the first, because I didn't pull it up.
21:36And it was flowering in the spring, so the bees had some early  flowers to hit and it was pretty cool. Yeah, the other thing that chickens like, and we didn't know this until we found out by accident, is they like basil plants. Oh really? Yeah, in Minnesota, once the temperature gets down to 40, the basil plants get like black spots on the leaves and they're basically done.
22:02And so my husband was like, I'm going to throw one of the plants in the chicken run and see if the chickens will eat it. And they like the basil almost as much as they like the kale. So they ended up eating basil for like two weeks last fall. Oh, that's awesome. And no, the eggs did not taste like spaghetti sauce, so was fine.
22:23It me, we salted our sidewalk because it was super icy here and I just, had some rock salt. So was like, I'll see what this does. And my goodness, if all the chickens and turkeys didn't come up and start eating this salt off the sidewalk, I was like, no, we don't need salted eggs.  We don't use salt anymore. So were the eggs salty? No. No. Thank goodness. Oh my gosh. My boyfriend's like, go sprinkle some pepper out there, hurry.
22:52Already seasoned eggs right in the shell. Pre-seasoned.  I love it.  Maybe it's sad that that doesn't work that way. I don't know. I mean, in a way, it could go either way. mean, if you have full control over what they're eating, it might be good. That's too funny.  Okay. So you said you have four beef cows.
23:21Yes, so we've got two steers, a bull and a heifer.  So  really we wanted cows for a long time and  just hadn't  done it yet.  And I found a cow,  the dairy farms  were selling off their little boy cows for  pretty darn cheap  a few years ago.
23:45Um, so we found a cal for, think he was 50 bucks out in Tillamook. And so we're like, let's go get him. Let's go get him. And my gosh, if we didn't put that calf in the car, that's two and a half or so hours from here. And they, he took a big old dump in the back of the truck. Okay. Excursion. So it's like a big SUV.  As soon as we pulled out of there driving, I'm like, Ollie, you're going to be special. you?  So we've got him.
24:12We found another one that was on death's doorstep. I think we got him for the same amount, 50 bucks. And  we're like, well, I guess we're starting our cows, know, however we need to do it. And then we found  our heifer. She's actually black Angus. So we're hoping to bring her with our bull. I'm not sure what happened, but nature didn't take its course just yet. So we're hoping, hoping soon that'll work out so  we can replenish our cows.
24:40So yeah, the steers will just be harvested and then the bull and heifer hopefully will fall in love. hope so. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed for you because baby cows are the best thing ever. They are. We just drove by some yesterday and oh my gosh, was stinking little and cute they are. They're just amazing. Yeah, where we used to live, we used to go for a drive to get to a place to hike and there was a big, I don't know if they were dairy cows or
25:08cows, but every year they had babies. And the field that we would drive by would just be full of mama and baby cows.  And they were very curious about the cars going by. So we would very slowly pull over  mid-fence,  midway between where the fence started and where the fence ended for the field.  And we would roll the windows down and I would go,  and the mamas would pick their heads up and the babies would follow suit.
25:38And the babies would moo at me. And I'm like, oh my God, they're actually talking to me. This is cool. My husband's like, you're so dumb.  It's the little things, man.  It's the little things. That's awesome.  Yeah. First time he heard me do the mer noise. It was better than that because I do a pretty good cow call.  And he was like, where did you learn that? And I said from my grandpa's friends down the road in Maine when I was growing up.  And he's like,
26:08He said you sounded just like a cow. I said, yep, I'm a cow. That's what I'm gonna stick with right now  But So fun and these babies would come right up the fence I mean if I didn't think the farmer would have been mad I would have gotten out of the car and gone over and petted their noses  I don't recommend anyone do that unless they know the property owner.  Yes and the cows Because mama cows can be quite  quite ugly sometimes. Uh-huh
26:37Exactly. I mean,  if I'd known the owner,  I definitely would have gotten out of the car and gone over to the mama and the baby that were right at the fence. And I would have talked to the mama first  and scritched her nose and then waited for her to get comfy and then scritch the baby's nose. Cute.  Oh  my goodness. Yeah. I love it. And honestly, I'm 55 years old and we don't have room here for cows. So we don't have cows.
27:06Three acres is not enough for cows, not the way we're doing it.  But if I had been 25 when we got our place, we probably would have had many cows.  Yes, oh, I love those. Because you can have like two mini cows on an acre and they do just fine.  And they stay little and cute. Oh my goodness, we have a farm down the road here that has the highland cows and oh my gosh, I could just park and watch them. They're so adorable.
27:35Yeah, and little is a relative term because a full grown mini cow can be 500 pounds. Yes, yes, you are right about that. So it's not like they're the size of a dog when they're done growing because they're bigger than that typically. It's not a goat, it's not a goat. No, it's not a goat. But that's fine. It's not supposed to be a goat, it's supposed to be a mini goat. Very different attitudes on both of those animals. We'll just throw that out there.
28:05Yeah, most goats really do like people. They  act like a dog more than a cow will ever act like a dog. They are spicy though. Oh my gosh. And that's one of the reasons.  That was the very first thing I got moving in here were goats.  I used to work on a farm, helping manage a farm  when I was in college.
28:27They had dairy goats and I just fell in love. So as soon as I got up here, I got my first two goats, Rip and Tear were their names.  And it all just went from there. So I think we had as many as 21 goats  a couple of years back and I had to kind of lighten my load as the skincare side of the business was really taking off and things  here were just getting too much.
28:51We definitely lightened our load  on the livestock end  within the last couple years to kind of free up a little bit of my time.  Just too widespread. Okay, so before we run out of time, because I can do like 10, 12 more minutes.  The skincare line, tell me about that. Yeah, so I started, you know the first thing you say to yourself when you're like, I'm going to be a full-time homesteader is, well, how are you going to pay your bills? Right? That's something we all have to do.
29:20So from day one, was like, well, I learned how to make soap from the lady that owned that farm I worked on. And I actually learned cold process soap, and I now make hot process soap, which is different than most anyone else does. I like to do things very differently than anybody else. That's one of the things about me. So it kind of all just started with soap. And I made my own little farm stand down in a neighboring town.
29:46And the soap just really was huge and I made some balms and things and then tallow kind of hit tick tock and all the  social media stuff.  I kept getting requests for tallow. So I bought some tallow or some fat from a farm  and it just went from there. And now our tallow is in like seven different locations locally. And we have a website now and sell online and
30:10The tallow is just amazing.  We use it for cooking. We put it in our dog's food when they aren't wanting to eat their kibbles.  You know, we use it  all the time. Again, it works well with the beeswax to seal wood or boots or anything else. So tallow is another one of those key factors in,  you know, community resources that you can use in your life all the time for a lot of different things. So,  yeah. Isn't it weird how tallow got such a
30:39bad reputation for a long time. Yep. And now look at it, star of the show.  Finally. It's great for you though. mean, I'm just happy people are  finally, you know, kind of  opening their eyes and seeing the other side of things, I guess, if you will, the  other way of life, the other way you can do things, you don't have to be reliant on the system.  You can step outside the box and
31:09I just, can't wait for it to take the world by storm even more than it already is. So it's, it's coming.  We're going to do anything we can to help it on its way. That's for sure. Yeah.  And, and I feel kind of weird about saying it that way, but  this stuff that we do is so  good for us.  It's, it's not like we're trying to take over the world so we can blow it up. We're taking over the world to make it better.
31:37Yeah, exactly. And I mean, it's not just strengthening us, our bodies,  our communities, you know, relying upon each other to get these things.  But it's also  good for the earth, for the animals, it's good, you know, stewards to the land. I mean, it all works in a cohesive circle. Everything gets along with each other when you start to rely on plants and animals. it's just crazy how everything works together. There isn't a lot of backlash, whereas if you
32:06live life the other way, there's always some price you have to pay for something. But when you kind of look at the way things were done back in the day, everything kind of helped each other out in a way. So I'm hoping to get back to that.  That would be awesome. sound like me. I say stuff like that all the time.  I would love to end the podcast there, but I'm not going to because I have a thing to say about Talo, which led me to bacon grease.
32:34A lot of people think that number one, bacon's bad for you and bacon is bad for you if you eat an entire pound by yourself. Probably not going to be good for you.  But you know, a couple pieces with your eggs once in a while is not terrible or with your French toast. And when you cook bacon, you get leftover bacon grease. That's how it works. And  I tend to have about a half of a jelly jar of bacon grease in my fridge at any given time. Because if you make bacon potato soup,
33:04You can put a little bit of that bacon grease in the soup and it makes it even more  flavorful.  And  I don't know what we were thinking, but like last year I was making, I was going to make French toast and my husband had fried up the bacon and he poured the bacon grease off and left the pan on the stove. And he went to get me a clean pan so we could cook the French toast in butter. And I was like, no, I don't know. We're going to cook it in the bacon grease that's in the pan.
33:33He's like, but that's terrible for you. I said, it's not any worse than butter.  And he was like, okay. So I cooked the French toast with the little layer of bacon grease that was left in the pan.  And it was really good. So good. And no one died.  So now,  now when we have French toast, like once every couple of months, if we have bacon, we fry up some bacon and I pour the...
34:02the most of the bacon grease off. And then I fry up my French toast and the bacon grease and that's how I like it. That is brilliant. You know, we, I've gotten into the sourdough kick. So I actually made my own sourdough starter about a year, year and a half ago. And, you know, I was too busy to actually learn and start making sourdough. So I had all kinds of discards. So
34:25We started making sourdough picklets. If anybody hasn't heard of that, look it up. Oh my gosh, they're so delicious if you have sourdough discard. But I am going to use what you just said and I'm going to make these sourdough picklets with bacon grease. Cause usually we use butter and that is brilliant. That sounds so good.  So what is a sourdough picklet?  So it's, don't even know where it's from. Maybe it's French. I'm not really sure. I haven't looked into the history, but it's basically you have your, cup of sourdough discard.
34:54And then I think it's like  a half a teaspoon of baking soda, a little bit of sugar, a little bit of salt. And the baking soda reacts with your  sourdough starter and it kind of expands and kind of foams up, if you will. It's really fun to watch it. And then you drop it into,  it says to use hot butter,  but how about let's try bacon grease next time.  And you just drop it in there. It's kind of doughy.  And we usually do it in like a three or four pieces.
35:22and you fry them, flip them over and they're just amazing. They're just delicious. It's like a take on a pancake, but they're crispy, crunchy on the outside. They're so good. Nice. I, yeah, I, I told someone a month and a half ago, I was going to start Sourdough Starter and I haven't done it yet, but I need to just to make that. Yes. Yes. That's pretty much all we, all we made for the first year of the Ciclids.
35:48The reason I keep saying I want to start a sourdough starter, which sounds really funny to say in that order that way, but it's because someone was telling me that you can make sourdough crackers and I really do like crackers, but I don't like store-bought crackers. Yeah. So you can make crackers. My sister actually just did a recipe that was homemade Cheez-Its. So you spread the starter out on  a baking sheet and you sprinkle cheese on top and you bake it. And she said they were amazing. So I'm definitely going to add that to my to-do list.
36:19Because I'm sure you don't have enough to do as it is, right? Right, but hey, you gotta make room for the little things that make you happy and cheese is one of those things for me. uh-huh.  Absolutely.  We're making  sausage, gravy and biscuits tonight for dinner.  Oh, stop it. Can I come over?  It's a long haul for sausage, gravy and biscuits. but it'd worth it.  Yep.
36:44Yeah, we had one pound left of ground pork and I was like I can make sausage gravy and biscuits if you guys want it. My husband and my son were like, yes, please.  Oh my  god. Well, good. You'll enjoy that.  Yeah. And the reason I say that, well, the reason I even bring it up is because I feel like it's a very homestead meal to make homemade biscuits  and homemade sausage gravy.
37:11Yes,  yes, yum. Oh my gosh, I don't know anyone who turn that down.  Well,  I have heard that there are people who don't like sausage gravy, so they're going to turn it down. But anybody who likes it, they're always going to try it.  All right. I have yet to meet those people. So  more for us then, right? Yeah, absolutely.  All right, Jesse. Well, I wish you a lot of luck with your workshop because that should be fun.
37:38for you, but it should really help a lot of people too. Thank you so much. Hopefully it's the beginning of something awesome. Anything to kind of help people on their way to realizing that they can do it themselves. Yes. All the encouragement in the world to everyone that you talk to because  we need to, we need to know how to take care of ourselves.  got it sister.  All right. Thank you so much for your time today, Jessie. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful day. You too.
 

Home Grown Collective - Third time's the charm

Today I'm talking with Hayden at the Home Grown Collective. You can follow on Facebook as well.
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00:00You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters, and topics adjacent. I'm your host, Mary Lewis.  A Tiny Homestead podcast is sponsored by Homegrown Collective, a free-to-use farm-to-table platform emphasizing local connections with ability to sell online, buy, sell, trade in local garden groups, and help us grow a new food system.  You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe.
00:29Share it with a friend or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Hayden from Homegrown Collective for the third time. Hi Hayden, how are you? Great Mary, I hope you are. I'm good. It's a really beautiful day here in Minnesota. The sun is shining and it's cold. It's like, I don't think it's above freezing yet. Oh man, I got nice 67 degree weather down here in North Carolina. Well, yeah, because you're in the south and I'm in the north. So go fig.
00:58Spring so far has been pretty good, so we're really looking forward to the temperatures keeping climbing here. it really is.  I'm ready. I'm ready for it to be May 15th so we can start planting plants.  Okay, so just to catch people up, Hayden and I have talked a couple times already.  Hayden has the most wonderful directory for people who want to get found if they sell stuff. And by stuff I mean produce or...
01:28Homegrown meats or  I don't know what else but Hayden's gonna tell you so Hayden. Tell me more. Tell me where you're at. What's going on? So we created a it's it's it's a what a directory an online store and it's a hub with tools for  producers and consumers to organize a local  Supported food system in their communities so you can create educational groups. You can create barter groups you can
01:58share which  which farmers markets you're going to be at if you want to if you don't want to sell online and you want to keep everything local.  The point of the online market is to give those smaller  producers access to that revenue. And you're still supporting you know, local and when I say a local food producer,  mean somebody who  grows their own food,  and most of it goes back to a 50 mile radius of consumers.
02:26is what I consider a local food producer.  people ask,  where are you located? And it's not about where our company is located. It's about where they're located and who they can find that has the same mindset. So our Homegrown Collective isn't just a collective of people selling food. It's a collective mindset of people who want a different food system in America. And it gives you the tools to help organize that.
02:54all in one place and  you're able to support and organize  local food production and offerings  with restaurants, household consumers,  backyard gardeners, to small family farms. And it brings everybody with that same goal in mind for our food system  together in one place.  You could compare it to like a Facebook with a good cause and our
03:23Our thought was with the revenue that social media brings in, you could really make some real change in a country with that kind of revenue. And if we can do it under a nonprofit business model and get that money back directly to the responsible food producers and grow new  operations of  food production, then  by directly funding those efforts,  I think we can change the food system in our country.  Probably communities out of time, but it can be done.
03:54Very nice. And I'm really excited to hear that the Homegrown Collective  model has grown since we last talked. Yeah, absolutely. I thought it was just going to be a directory, but it sounds like  it's much more than that this time. So that's great.  Before we continue,  it's national, right? It's not just... Yeah, international. You can  access it anywhere in the United States.  We can't operate outside of the United States based on our...
04:23a nonprofit status,  you can't  take in funds and direct them outside of the country, which I totally understand  and wouldn't want to do anyways. we are  steadily growing and I know it'll be a long,  with all the information being pushed out onto people, it's kind of hard to get it out there. So we really appreciate everything you do for us, Mary.
04:50Well, I am a huge proponent for what you're doing because I have been saying on every episode for the last two weeks, I think if you live in America right now, find your local growers because it's really important. It's always been important, but it's even more important now. I agree. I agree. And we are, our board members are growing. So we got a new lady in, uh, in Georgia that's come on and a man in New Hampshire. we're our board.
05:20of advisors is growing outside of North Carolina and Virginia. And so  we're getting more and more knowledge and taking in more and more  data. So as we grow, our board members will provide us with more information and help us maintain the  right direction. And sometimes we're just not knowledgeable about the area and the ecosystem of other places. So it's better to have  local knowledge.
05:50helping us direct funds and get everybody on board.  Yeah, absolutely.  Knowing people who know things you don't know is really, really important.  And  I've said this before, I'm going to say it again. When I  make friends, I just hope that they're smarter than I am because I want to learn from them. And so basically you're making business friends who know more than you do. Right. That's exactly what I'm doing. You are right.
06:20And I think it'll, it'll add to our, uh, you know, people will hopefully trust it more if they know that there are people involved in their state, you know, across, uh, not just one man show, but, uh, so we're, as we grow, I hope we, uh, you know, gain more people's confidence. Yeah. And I don't see why you wouldn't. I mean, you seem very genuine. You seem very passionate about this, which I love. And
06:46And on that note, how excited are you that you just started this? a year and a half ago?  we'll developing started  three, two or three years ago, but we fully launched  within this year. So yeah, we, it's really exciting. I  know marketing, it's fun talking and making all the connections on the way there, but  I'll get excited when it's a household name and everybody knows how to buy, you know, the best place to buy their local.
07:15local grown food. Yeah, yes, I understand that. But you have been, this is your baby. This is this was your idea, right? Well, I'm the goal. No, no, I think this idea had been has I think others have had this idea. I think I organized it and put the best business model behind it to create real change. But I want to still I don't want to take everybody I think kind of has that idea of, you know, it's better to buy local and
07:44And I hopefully, and you people have created their own tools for it and stuff, but I've looked at all those and I really feel like we got  the best way to create change in our country, not just  create a successful business. So I'm hoping  one day when I find somebody more knowledgeable who  is driven like I am to be  in the head of operations, I think it'll show people how committed I am.
08:12that when I stepped down to be the head of support is that my goal is to deal directly with the users and  directly work with the platform's development. And I would like somebody with more experience to be the head of operations for the nonprofit. And I think once people see that I'm willing to hand off recognition and control that they'll realize how serious I am about getting the goals met. Yeah. Well, while you're the head of
08:41of everything basically.  I'm really impressed with you Hayden. You  did not have to do this. This was something that you felt called to do. And so I say this to everybody I'm genuinely proud of because I'm a mom and I'm always saying to my kids I'm proud of them.  I'm really proud of you. This took a lot  to get off the ground and get as far as you have. Yeah. Well I've been flying dark so I'm learning on the way.
09:10but definitely out of my comfort zone.  Yeah, kind of like I was when I started the podcast.  Yeah, baby, very comparable. Yep. And the podcast is doing really well and it sounds like  Homegrown Collective is doing really well. So I guess we're on the right track.  And before I say anything else, I want to make it clear that the Homegrown Collective is the only sponsor.
09:35of a tiny homestead podcast right now. So thank you Hayden. I appreciate that. Yes. We were very happy to do it. I, uh, I like the people that follow your podcast and I've looked through your profiles and seeing you got the, you got good kind of people listening to you. So  I'm thankful for every single listener I have because without them,  I wouldn't be doing this. So, but just thank you so much for sponsoring the podcast. I appreciate it.  Okay. So you were telling me that
10:04that you wanted to clarify how people can use Homegrown Collective or by computer or by their own. Right, so  it's a platform just like Facebook or Instagram or something.  So if you're using the computer, you'll go on the web app and use it through the website. And if you're accessing it through your cell phone, then you'll just download the app on your phone and access it through that way. But we've had some people logging on.
10:33on their cell phone to the website.  that can just,  creates a, it's not the best user  experience. It's just not designed to be used on a cell phone and the mobile app's not designed to be used on a computer. Okay. But so it's, it's a, think people find it, figure it out, but we, that is the biggest confusion we have so far. And I think maybe the people keep asking,  you know, where are you located?
11:02We're located in North Carolina in America and our platform is available all throughout the US. So it tracks your location. It's local to your location, not local to us.  Yep.  And when people want to go find the app for their smartphone, what do they  type in? it just homegrown collective  app? Right in their app store. Okay. All right. Cool. Because sometimes
11:31sometimes you look for an app and you're like, I don't know if it's under the name or if it's under something else. So yeah, yeah. So yeah, there is, there's  just a little bit of confusion, but we don't, we're getting mostly good feedback from people that get on and start using it.  So  we got a new updates coming too. So there'll be a  CSA tool and a delivery tool added.  And for those that are able to,
11:59have a producer profile and a consumer profile, they'll be able to switch between those easier than logging off and logging back on. we've had, we've gotten a lot of feedback from  some loyal users and we really appreciate it. And those changes will be made as soon as possible.  Nice. You,  I don't want you to like spill all your secrets about this, but who does all your, your  computer and app stuff?
12:27It's a company that most of their, they all work remote, but most of them want the lady that was it's a  app company, a software company. And they, their name is band of coders, but they, uh,  uh, they were my second company I used. had some issues with the first one, but, uh,  I found a good team. I think they're good guys.  Uh, they really liked what I'm doing, but, uh, and the,  the, lady that I spoke to directly was in Georgia. So she was right. One stayed over from me.
12:57I know that's not local or anything, but it just, it made it nice to know that there was somebody on my time zone that I could talk to during development. Yeah. Okay.  It just seems like, it just seems like all the pieces have really been coming together for this. amazing. There's been some things that I wasn't expecting to happen that really, really pushed us forward a little bit when I needed it the most.  And so this, I know it's going to be a slow, slow long road, but I'm in it for the long haul and I'm excited.
13:27Yeah. Yeah. I think you would sound more excited if you weren't just getting over a bug. So  yeah, that's right. I'm  drained of a little drained of energy, but uh, I, uh, I'm either going to have to be excited for several years or wait till, uh, or wait till we can get to enough cell phones and enough people  wanting the same change that we want for the, for the food system. And, uh, I'm sure there, we just, it's just a matter of getting the word out. Yeah, it is. Um,
13:57Okay. So for people to, to be listed on Homegrown Collective, it's free. that correct? Yeah. anybody, any producer or supporting business, any services can list their, their offerings on the website for free. We do go through an approval where we make sure they're an actual business or, you know, who they say they are, you know, very brief 24 hour.
14:25We just check out your information and see if you're who you set, you know, your business is where and what it is. And then once you're approved, you're good to, you're good to sell and operate using the tools. Okay.  Trust, but verify is what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we just don't, can't have like if you have all the other social medias have bots and, you know, stuff that are being put on there to influence how many followers people have or
14:55stuff like that. I  don't want it to get as messy  and diluted as Facebook and Instagram.  You know, I want it to be goal driven,  you know, with a purpose in mind.  hopefully, hopefully we can keep only, you know,  noble operators on there. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.  So do you have any idea how many members you have right now? Yeah, we got close to 200 falls across the country.
15:25There's thousands of consumers that have logged on. You  got some producers logging on in some areas that no consumers have logged on and some consumers log on in areas where no producers have logged on yet.  And so  there's a few communities that have gotten it to where they're set up and using it. And  the biggest thing is the producers were offering a free resource and we hope that they'll promote our  services.
15:54the way that we promote  their business on our platform. And so by benefiting each other and  getting everybody on one organized hub for this mission,  I think if we all work together,  my only goal is to end up with a remote salary. So I'm not looking to become a Martin Zuckerberg or anything, but it would be nice to have  one place with one voice speaking for our food.
16:23that isn't  funded by  big corporations or government. Yes. Yep. That makes sense. Okay. So you said you had some notes you wrote down that you wanted to touch on. Have you hit all of them or do you have more?  Just to know, got to be, our goals are the same. We're growing our board members. If anybody would like to apply, you can, there's a form on the website.  We got some events we're attending this year. We'll be at the North Carolina, Virginia and Tennessee state fair.
16:53We'll be at the Homesteaders of America convention  this week. Tomorrow I'll be at the small week, small farm week here in North Carolina. And so we're going on a couple more podcasts this year and we'll be in Progressive Farmer magazine,  the Farm and Ranch magazine. And  so we're getting, we're just hoping to gain exposure and gain as many producers as possible to help us.
17:25share our information and hopefully people will schedule phone calls with me if they're skeptical. You can do that through my email support at homegrowncollective.org. I'd love to clear up any confusion for  any users. So. Nice. Okay.  And  I'm,  is a weird question because I'm not sure you're there yet, but have you gotten feedback from people who are using the.  Yeah, that's where some of our, uh,
17:54The biggest thing was,  you know, make it easier to sign up. we made it so we're working on getting it so it auto populates like every, whenever you go to any other website, can like auto populate your information from your Google wallet or  somebody. So to get people signed up to their information, we're making it auto populate  from their information.  The other thing that people brought up the most was the, was being, they were like, I want to be a consumer too and a producer.
18:22And so we're making it easier to switch back and forth between those profiles. And that's really the only  negative feedback I've gotten besides somebody saying,  there's no producers in our, in our area yet. And I just have to kindly explain relaunched this year. Uh, we are still spreading. If you could just help us spread the word, maybe share a post in your community,  uh, or you can  send anybody, if you can ask anybody's permission to send me their contact information.
18:51and I'll happily reach out to them myself.  So that we are at the place where we are getting users and starting to get feedback. And I'm trying to go ahead and get ahead of it and make any changes I can now instead of letting them all build  up. I just spoke with the developers at Band of Coders last Friday, it was Friday right before the weekend started and talked to them about the new updates and.
19:20what we see coming this year. Nice. I feel like it's like building a library, Hayden.  You're building a library of people who are producing good food. And  once the library hits a certain point, people will be like, oh yeah, I know where to go. I need to go to Homegrown Collective because  that's the library of producers I need to look in to find what I need.
19:50Yeah, I love that metaphor. hadn't thought about it like that, but that's, it is a hub of resources and information. And I guess there's like a snack bar in this library too. So. exactly.  Wouldn't it, wouldn't it have been great if a library's had little coffee shops in them back when you were a kid? Well, I go to Barnes and Nobles a lot. So I,  when they started putting Starbucks in there, they, somebody, somebody up in that corporate office had a great idea.
20:21Apparently, our Barnes and Nobles has a huge Starbucks in it in Greenville, North Carolina. it, for as long as I can remember, they had something in there. I guess not the public libraries. They should have maybe handed out some food. Yeah, that would have been really cool. I spent a lot of time in the library from the time I was 12 till I was 18. So I would have been happy to drop pocket money at the library. That would have been fine.
20:49The first chocolate covered cherry mocha I ever had was at the first Barnes and Noble that I went to that had a coffee shop in it. And I have  not been able to find a chocolate covered cherry mocha anywhere since. And I've tried to replicate it and I came close, but it wasn't the same. That does sound delicious. It really was. I was like, Oh my God, I need to get the ingredients and make this myself. And I tried. I really tried, but you know,
21:17You know, you can't make the thing the same as at the place you got it. It's just never going to live up to it or the memory. No, no. Next, but not the first time.  Nope. So,  um, so you were saying back when we talked last time that you really aren't a grower, a producer. So I started,  I have started growing my own food this last two years. I tomatoes, okra and corn.  Awesome.
21:44Good. Cause you were- my favorite side. So I try to grow enough to  freeze.  you know, I try to, it would be nice to one day be able, I don't have the room for it now, but I'm,  I'm at the point  of finding  some,  if I can find a little bit of land that I could, you know, put a, put  like a double wide on or, or a RV on or something so I can grow my own food, uh, and have my own little property. I'm a-
22:14I'm looking to set up to be able to grow for the rest of my life.  I gotta find the right property to do that if, if, uh, if it comes to pass in the near future.  so yeah, we got a little homegrown collective garden. do herbs.  got rose. I got all the herbs you can think of. And then I got, uh, I do potatoes, ochre and corn throughout the year and try to freeze as much as I can.  Cause I swear when we talked the first time.
22:42You were saying that you were no expert and that you were trying to grow some things  and you really wanted to get into  it. still a novice, but that was one reason to start something like this and not just make it an online market is because I was a consumer that caught on to how food processing industry and how that is going for our country. And so I really, really wanted to start growing my own food, but didn't have the knowledge to do it. And so I was like, well,
23:11some, want to buy my own food and I want to learn how to grow it. is there any, and there wasn't a resource for all of that,  uh, with the set with one goal to, and I couldn't find it anywhere to buy food and learn,  uh, in the same place. hopefully,  hopefully this tool will help me buy  local food and, and, uh, learn how to grow it as well.  Yep.  Exactly. You have, was, that was  one big reason why I started it.
23:39Yeah, I hate to keep relating this back to books, but basically you've written the book you wanted to read. So we're back to libraries and books. Yeah, no, I've got a whole list of books that I've read this last two years to help me prepare.  And so I haven't written a book. Did you say I wrote a book?  No, no, no. I'm making the analogy that you have written the book that you wanted to  we are still writing it. We are still writing it. So there will.
24:08There'll be some new chapters coming for sure. Yeah. mean, since we last talked, there's new chapters that I didn't even know were going on. So  it's, really exciting.  Um, last time you and I had talked, I think that I had told you that we'd gotten a grant to build a hard-sided greenhouse. think I told you.  must have forgotten about that, but that's awesome. I'm what  are you planning on growing? Uh-huh. We're already growing stuff in it. It went up in May. Okay. Last May.
24:38So almost a year ago.  And the first year is the experiment because we live in Minnesota. It's cold, you know, six months out of the year  and it extended our growing season by two months. So instead of the garden, anything growing past September or October, we're now in December, which has been amazing.  And,  um, my husband put the first seeds in a month ago out there for cold, hardy stuff.
25:05And he just moved some of our peppers and tomato plants, seedlings out there this weekend. So  basically the only months we can't really grow anything out there is January and February. That's awesome.  If you can do it in Minnesota, means, mean, you should have, my goal is to have  a, a greenhouse too, one day, maybe you'll know enough by the time I get my greenhouse to teach me something.
25:33Well, you're lucky because you live in a much warmer climate than I do.  he put a space heater out there this weekend because it was going to get cold overnight last night. And  most of the plants that aren't cold hardy, that aren't winter growing plants, as it were, they're up high. So the heat rises. So it stayed above 40 degrees last night in the greenhouse. Gotcha. Yeah.  I got a book that I'm learning.
26:03the different techniques of growing. I'll pick which one I think I'll be most capable of.  Yep. We've tried.  We've done so much research Hayden on how to heat this thing for the whole winter so that we could actually grow tomatoes in there in January.  It's not going to happen. So I saw one thing you like dig, I don't know if y'all would want to do this, but you dig down like three feet and the warmer ground.
26:31You you dig past the cold frozen ground. frost line, yeah. The frost line and then you build your greenhouse around that and all the heat that's not getting trapped by the frozen ground grows, is trapped in the greenhouse from the earth. Yeah, we had talked about that and it's a 40 foot by 20 foot greenhouse. Oh, yeah. And we don't have a bobcat to dig.
26:56and  we didn't have the money to get somebody to come dig it out for us. So, And you saw one technique too that you can just drill, instead of like excavating it all out, you can drill holes every, you know, certain amount of feet and get those down past the frost line and those let up enough heat  to thaw out the frosted surface too. So you would just need, you would just need like a, like a one hole digger.
27:25to go straight down and then you cover it with like a, you know, put like a PVC pipe down there and then I've been learning a lot of techniques to do stuff like that. it would take some work and 40 by 20 is quite a bit of square footage there, but that's an awesome sized greenhouse, I bet. Yeah. My husband and son actually built it themselves. They had a little bit of help from one of our friends and
27:50The day it was finished, I went outside and I went inside of it and I was just like, this is freaking amazing. Good job, you guys. And my husband was like, well, you're the one that applied for the grant and got the money for us to be able to build it. So without you, it wouldn't be here. And I just thought that was so sweet that they'd done all the grunt work and all I did was answer a couple of questions. Hey, that sometimes that's how it works when you're ahead of the podcast. Yup, exactly.
28:20So anyway,  I would say what's the future for Homegrown Collective, but I think you've actually told me the answer to that already. We're just trying to spread to as many communities  in America as we can and get as many supporting users as possible. It's free and easy. You can delete your account at any time.  So I hope they'll at least give it a chance. We're not here to scam anybody.  Yeah, and scams are a big thing right now.
28:49I'm going to vouch for Hayden. I mean, it's my podcast and  he clearly... would love to speak with anybody. I will get on the phone with anybody. And if it's possible, meet him in person  if there's any skepticism. Yes. And the other thing I would say is Hayden's right. Always do your research. If you have questions, make sure you ask them.
29:14I agree. That's the best thing you can do. Hopefully we can start doing that with local farmers. Yeah. Yep. Exactly.  Have you been able, have you had time to go visit anybody local to you? Oh gosh. Yeah. I spend all my time every day. Like when I go out shopping every week, I go to, you know, a different local market. got one called Acre Station. That's a local meat  farm and butcher shop. And they got, they got a stand for local produce. So I go there a lot. then
29:43Griffin's Farm Market. go to the local, I go there and then I go to a farmers markets all over North Carolina. So I got friends in the mountains in Raleigh. And so I go and I do in-person stuff and go meet, you know, hand out cards at farmers markets.  it's a, that is honestly the most effective way. But when I look at my funds and how many people I reach when I drive that far to go do that.
30:11It makes more sense for me to reach like a podcast  or a magazine and they reach, you know, a hundred thousand people in the magazine or, or whatever, whatever they're, I can reach more people by marketing like that. But when I do get the opportunity to go to farmer's market, I always shop there once I had a new one once a week or different one once a week. So I, uh,  it's really easy to do it when you, when you eat the way that you're trying to get other people to eat and promote this, then it's.
30:41I'm really just shopping for my food and working a little bit at the same time. So it's not, it's very easy to do. Nice. You're just, you're so personable that I can't imagine that somebody is like, why are you talking to me? You sometimes people have their walls up, it takes, yeah, I do get that. I do get that look on their face a lot. Like, why did he just come up to me and start talking? But, uh, I can really, I could talk to a wall if, uh, that was the only thing they're listening. So, yeah.
31:11All right, Hayden, we're at 30 minutes. I'm going to cut you loose. Thank you so much for coming back. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. And thank you for letting us sponsor and reach your users.  Oh, absolutely. I appreciate it. Bye. Bye.