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Lorrie Adams - Realtor Learn about what's involved in buying acreage

Today I'm talking with Lorrie about the real estate market and things you may not have considered when thinking about buying a property for your homestead. You can reach her on Facebook as well.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead. The podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Lorrie Adams, a Realtor extraordinaire and good friend of mine. Good morning, Lorrie, how are you? Good morning, I'm great. Good. So it may seem weird that I asked a Realtor to be a guest on my podcast.
00:27But it's not weird because Lorrie is brilliant at her job and she knows things that people looking for land might wanna know. So Lorrie, tell me a little bit about yourself first. Well, years ago, before I was a realtor, I was a paramedic for a number of years for 911. So I know the area inside and out and subsequently became a realtor in 2007 during the crash, figured why not. I always do things the hard way.
00:57So I've been a realtor for 17 years, absolutely love it. And don't specialize in one niche area. I like to be robust and be able to do multiple things. So I just stay on top of all aspects of real estate with the exception of I do not dabble in the business side. So just residential real estate, farm real estate, that kind of thing. Okay. And this is exactly why I wanted to talk to you because I have lots of questions.
01:26First first question is the housing market bad right now and is it bad all over the United States? Bad is a Term that is kind of means different things to different people. Is it a challenging market? Absolutely The challenge is because we have very little inventory we have a lot of buyers sitting on the fence and Many of which have never even seen an interest rate over five percent. So
01:56When they jumped up to around seven, people were a little bit flabbergasted as to what they could suddenly afford changes your buying power when you jack up interest rates. So, excuse me, with the interest rates up a little bit, historically though, 7% is an average interest rate. It's really not that outrageous. It's not impossible.
02:25There is inventory out there. You just have to have eyes on it. You have to have somebody with their ears to the ground and nose to the grind, Stella Perse, and make sure that you know how to negotiate a good deal for your clients. As well as having an excellent lender that is good at communication, that is available, just like a realtor is 24-7 basically on weekends as well. And there's a lot of creative financing out there right now with some of the lenders coming up with a...
02:54programs for helping buyers put in quote unquote cash offers and then financing after The transaction so there's a lot of things out there that can be done You just have to have somebody who knows what's out there and can find it and can negotiate for you I have to say I have never used Every tool in my toolbox as well as come up with new ones in the last few years to get my clients under contract But thank goodness, it's work
03:23Yeah. So is the reason that inventory is down, does it have anything to do with the fact that people ran like there was fire under their feet back in 2020 and 2021 to get out of the places they were in and now they're happy in the places they're in and they don't want to sell? Well, some are happy, some are not happy, but they're staying in them because of the interest rates they got when they refinanced at historic lows of 2.5 and 3.5 interest rates.
03:54To be honest with you, I wouldn't ever anticipate seeing those kind of interest rates again. But that's where people are in their mortgages. And then if they're not uncomfortable enough, they'll just stay where they're at. So there's a lot of restrictions as well on buildings. So new construction, the restrictions that have been placed on new construction by different government entities has added approximately $30,000 to each home.
04:24and cost of building it. So building is restrictive with pricing, but there are builders out there. They're doing their best to get houses out there, especially for the baby boomers that want to downsize into homes that are just slab homes or smaller homes, one level, those kinds of things. Okay, I was just curious about your take.
04:48on all this. Okay, so I'm going to talk a little bit about what you did for us. And then I have other questions regarding if people are looking for the kind of thing that we were looking for four and a half years ago. What you would suggest at this point because like you said, inventory is really limited. So the story is, Lori, we met Lori back in 2015, because we were trying to find a place back then.
05:17And we looked at four or five places and there was just nothing within our price range. And we just decided that we were going to stay where we were back then. And then back in 2020, we had a thing happen where we were not going to be able to continue to grow a big garden at a friend's place because they put up a pole barn. And that was the last straw for us on jumping into really looking again. And we're not upset with our friends. They, they are awesome. We love them.
05:46but it was just the thing that that kicked us to actually start looking again. And so I messaged my good friend, Lorrie, and said, we really want to look for a new place. And she said, call me. And so we did. And we looked at four places before we looked at the place that we now own and they were all not great. And then she called me and said, I found your house. And I said, uh-huh.
06:13That's too bad because we were up all night because there was a bad storm that night and the weather radio kept going off and my husband and I were both exhausted and she said you have to meet me in Le Sueur, Minnesota at 630 tonight because I found your house. And so we did and the rest is history. However, the backstory on all of this is that Lorrie is an incredible negotiator and got us a really reasonable price on a really nice 3.1.
06:42acre property with a remodeled home on it and a huge pole barn. So Lorrie is brilliant at her job. This is why we wanted to have her on the show. So my questions for Lorrie are these. Number one, if people are looking to get out of their smaller place and onto one to five acres of land, what would you suggest? Because inventory is limited, as we've said twice already.
07:12Aside from the inventory side of it, I would highly recommend that they do a lot of research in understanding what it takes to take care of acreage property. Whether you're just going to sit there and enjoy the privacy or if you're literally going to start working it like you and Kyle do. There's a lot involved. It's a lot of work. It's not just hanging out in the house, drinking coffee all morning and waiting for everything to happen outside. It's not.
07:41Really? No, I know. Isn't that a surprise? Yeah. And there's also a lot of other things, aside from the crops or animals or whatever it is that you're looking at having on your acreage, just having acreage property. So you're not going to be on city water and sewer. You're generally going to have a little bit more difficulty with your electrical systems because you're a little bit further out. So you want to make sure you have a backup system, especially in Minnesota. We have storms this year.
08:11Unlike last year where we had no storms and no rain, but this year we've got our typical storm season. So you're going to have a lot of electrical storms that come through, might knock out your power. You also have a septic and well system, which is for your sewer and water. You got to make sure that you understand those systems, how to take care of them. The fact that if something goes wrong, the city's not going to fix it, you're going to fix it. So an average septic system.
08:40is about $30,000 for a new septic system. And a well is anywhere from about 20 grand, 15 to 20 grand, depending on how deep they need to go. So as long as those are already existing, it's a little bit less expensive, but you need to make sure that they're all in compliance with the entities. So wells are governed by the Department of Health in Minnesota, and septic and sewers are regulated by the counties.
09:10So you have to have somebody who understands where to go to make sure that those systems are compliant and registered with the corresponding agencies, as well as just the acreage itself. It's got to be amenable to what you want to have on it. If you're growing crops like you guys, you want to have a fairly flat level with sun, not an orchard grove sitting on your property covering it up with shade or pole barns like your friend put up.
09:40where you suddenly don't have anywhere to put plants. So there's a lot of moving pieces and bringing what a client is thinking and what they really need to look at in reality and bring those into alignment with what their budget and their goals are is kind of my job.
10:07Yeah, and also on the client side, the client really needs to know what they're looking for. The first time we looked with you, we weren't quite sure what we were actually looking for. We were just looking to get the hell out of the house we were in. Right. And the second time, we really had a much better idea of what we were looking for and what we wanted to do with it. And we basically gave you a cut sheet. A unicorn. You told me to find a unicorn.
10:37Well, yes, but we told you the details of the unicorn. Right, right. And that's what I'm talking about. You have to come, you know, speak with people, determine exactly what it is that you're looking for so that we can come into alignment with everything. If possible, yeah. And we lucked out that this place has a generator that kicks on on its own and directs electricity to the house immediately.
11:05We didn't even know that that was going to be possible for us to have. And so that was the one thing that wasn't actually on our cut list, but we were pleasantly surprised by, and it works great by the way. Right. Now, didn't you need, but that needed to be repaired because it had sat there for so long not being used. It may, you guys did have to do a little bit of work on it. Yeah. It ended up needing.
11:31the circuit board replaced and then something else, I don't remember what, and I think it ended up costing us about $6,000 to get it to where it works. Which isn't bad considering the generator system can cost you upwards of $30,000, $40,000 depending on the size of it and what it's got to run. Yes, and we absolutely did not, I mean we kind of, kind of cringed at the price because that's a lot of money.
11:58but we were not at all bothered at having the repairs done because it's really important. Right, right. And in actuality, the fact that it was there and repairable saved you a fortune. It sure did. And then the other thing that I would say, having lived here for almost four years now, is if you're gonna buy a property and you're not, you're moving from the city to quote unquote the country,
12:26There are things that you're not necessarily going to realize you need. Like we ended up having to buy a small utility tractor to be able to move wood for the wood burning boiler system that we have, and we ended up picking up a pickup truck because kind of needed one and things like that. So it's not only that first mortgage payment and the rest of them that follow that you have to consider. It's all the things that you need to add to the property. Correct.
12:55So that you can run it and do what it is that you want to do on that property. Yep. And when we moved here, if you recall, the only plants that were here were hostas. Yeah, my favorite. And the stuff in the tree line, like the wild black raspberries, which is awesome, and the wild elderberry trees that are here, and the yarrow that was coming up in the pasture, as it were.
13:25having to, number one, dig up a bunch of plants from the old house before it was sold and bring them down and get them in the ground. And then anytime somebody had free rhizomes or roots for lilies or irises or peonies or whatever, we were like, yes, please, we'll take them because we needed to make it ours. So there are just little things that you won't know until you actually move in to the new place.
13:54Right, and no one can anticipate everything. No. So regardless of how prepared you feel you are for your move or for your new dream home and dream life, because it is a totally different lifestyle, you're never gonna be 100% prepared. If you haven't done it before, you're not gonna be ready. You can just prepare as much as you possibly can, but just know things are gonna come out of the side. And...
14:23knock you on your boots. Uh huh. You just have to brush off and get up and keep going. Yep. And the one thing I would not suggest is getting a brand new puppy a month after you move into a new house. Right. I couldn't believe you did that. We did because it was the right puppy and the right family that had her. So we did and she's fantastic. We adore her. She's amazing. She's almost four. And I'm not sorry we did it, but- Of course not.
14:53Having a puppy eat the floorboard corner in your kitchen because she's teething, just after you have a brand new remodeled house in your possession is a very sad moment. Oh, definitely. So puppies are just as much work if not more than kids. Although once they do grow up, they listen better than your kids do. So that's, you know, catch 22 there. Yeah, and they don't really talk back. I mean, they yip at you, but they don't talk back. They're not snotty, so.
15:22It's good. But either way, yeah, we got a new puppy a month after we moved in here and not sorry. Sorry, not sorry. Right. And then COVID happened as well. So you guys really got slammed when you moved in. COVID was going on before we even called you. So we knew that was a thing. I know, but I can't remember what year you bought it. 2020. 2020. Okay. So yeah, so COVID was, yeah, you guys are right in the midst of it.
15:51Yes, and we basically did all the moving ourselves because we didn't feel like it was fair to ask people to help and expose them to germs or us get exposed to germs. So that was a lot of work with a lot of trips back and forth. Yeah, you guys did it in the midst of all the unknowns, you know. Yep, and I think it was the best time to do it because we were like, why the hell not? Let's just go. So it worked. It was fine.
16:16And it was also in August and it was super hot the weekend we moved all the heavy furniture in so that was fun too. Yeah, yeah. People always say, oh, is real estate in Minnesota a seasonal job? Well, sweetheart, if it was a seasonal job, I would not be doing it. No. I need a full-time year-round job. And there are benefits to moving in the winter. If it's snowing, you're not getting soaking wet like you are in the rain. It can be colder, but you're not sweating to death.
16:45So yeah, so there's pluses and minuses about moving regardless of what time of year it is. Yeah. And somebody told me a long time ago, but this was like in the 80s, that people like to move in July and August because they can get in and get settled, especially if they have kids because then school starts and the kids are off to school. Yes. Yeah. So and then it is cyclical. It's not seasonal, but it is cyclical. So everybody wants to get in.
17:15excuse me, before the school season starts. But they don't wanna start looking until after school's out. So that really crams it in when they have kids. And then they wanna get in before Thanksgiving, then they wanna get in before the holidays, before Christmas or what have you. And then it's usually quiet for a couple of weeks till, cause people are like, no, we're entertaining, we're having our celebrations, we're not gonna show, we're not gonna look.
17:43Uh, and then after the first of the year, it's a little bit quieter. For some reason, Superbowl is like a key to the world. And as soon as that's over the spring market in Minnesota, just goes gangbusters. So like literally I have had clients message me or call me the day after the Superbowl is over. It's like, so yeah. That's interesting. Those are pretty much our cycles in Minnesota. Now, whether or not they're like that all over the States.
18:12You know, in the country, I don't know, I doubt it, but there would definitely be some similarities. Yeah. So, speaking of AC, because we, being hot when you move in. Yes. This place has central air, thank God, and we cranked it as cold as we could get it the day we moved in because it was just miserably hot outside. And so, it's now June and we've been using the AC, obviously, it's been hot and muggy when it's not been cold and rainy.
18:42And last night I had made a grilled ham and cheese sandwich and then Cameron put his together and made his and after he went upstairs, I could smell something hot. And I was like, did he get the spatula in the flame by accident? Because that happens. And then it went away. And I was like, okay, well, nothing's on fire that I know of, so we're good. And when I got up this morning, Kyle says, I got to tell you something and you're going to hate it. And I thought somebody died. And I was like, what?
19:12the blower on the furnace isn't working. And I said, oh, and he said, the compressor for the air conditioner is fine. It's working, but the blower's not working. He said, so, he said, do you want to call the place that came out and did the ones over on the furnace last year and see if they come out and see what's going on? And I was like, yep. So right now we have no central air working. It has turned off completely. We have...
19:40We have two portable AC units in our bedrooms because as you remember, the vents for the furnace don't come into our bedrooms. They come out in that landing. So we each have portable air conditioners in our bedrooms because otherwise we would sweat to death at night. So right now mine is off so that it's not making noises on the recording of this. But as soon as I'm done talking to you, it'll get turned back on and the fan is blowing that cold air out into the stairwell and dropping down the staircase and we'll be fine until
20:08The tech gets here at noon to tell us what's going on. So that's another thing that happens is things break. Right, and that's just home ownership period. So a lot of, you know, the good news is if you're renting and you move into a home, you're no longer paying somebody else's mortgage. You're actually gaining equity in your home. You can do whatever you want with your home. But you do have to pay for the upkeep. Yeah.
20:36Yeah, and it's not inexpensive people. It's not every, every repair that we have had done over the last couple of years has been at least a thousand dollars. Luckily we haven't had that many to have done. Right. Well, and you are in an older home, albeit it was remodeled. Your home was built like, I want to say early, early 1900s, before 50 for sure. Yes.
21:02Yes, it is an old farmhouse and it looks beautiful, but I'm sure the bones are definitely a hundred years old, right? And we love it. We absolutely love it except when things break then we're like, yeah But it's fine because if we had bought a new home in a development Things break there too. So absolutely and that's what I tell clients all the time They want to do new construction and new construction is great
21:31Um, but it also comes with its own headaches. So you can build a home and you can say it's perfect. And even if you find a house that's 85% checks all your boxes, that's the perfect house, um, because even if you build new construction, custom build all out, the minute you move in, I wish I would have done this, we should have done this. You know, we should have changed that. There's always something. So 85% is a pretty good mark.
22:00Yeah. And if you're partnered up, your partner has a say in the decisions on the new build. And Kyle desperately wanted to do, he wanted to buy land and then build a house on it. And I flat out told him no many times. And he was like, well, why we can have everything we want? And I said, no, because we are different people and we're not going to want the same things. Yes.
22:28And they don't want to argue with you for months about a house build. That would not be great for us. And he was like, yeah, you're probably right. And like I said, it's exponentially ridiculously expensive. Yes. Um, so you can get much more bang for your money if you buy an existing home. Um, but if you have the budget and you want to build, there's no problem with that, but your budget will definitely have to be higher if you want to buy land and then build on top of it. Yes, exactly.
22:58Not only are you building a house, you're going to be putting in a septic and a well and a generator and everything else. Yes, all the extras that go with it. Right. Which aren't actually. And LP, like you're not on natural gas out there either in most places. No. Occasionally you'll find one that does have natural gas, but generally you're going to be heating with wood or LP, which is liquid propane. So you'll have to have a tank and fill that up.
23:26Yes, an important hint for people who don't know. In our area, they have summer prices for propane gas. And it's marked down from what it normally costs the rest of the year. And so we always get our propane tank filled in like July or August while we're still on summer prices because it saves us a lot of money. Right. But you do have some boil off as well because of the heat.
23:55albeit the tank is insulated, you do still have some boil off. Yeah. So. Yep. But we didn't know about the summer prices when we first had it filled. The guy was like, it's a good thing you called now, because it was in August, I think. Right. And he said, you're saving yourselves like 20 or 30 cents a gallon by doing this in the summer. So, good to know. Yeah. Especially if you can do it like late in the season, because it's not going to, it's going to start to cool off, then you don't have as much burn off either. Right.
24:25And the other thing that we learned when we moved here is our house was set up for an electric stove, not gas stove. They didn't have it so that you could use the LP for a gas stove. And I hate electric stoves. I hate cooking on them. I can't control them the way I want to and I love to cook. So I put up with an electric glass top stove for a year and finally said, I can't do this anymore.
24:55And so we had a, I don't know what they're called. I don't know if someone who works with LP is a plumber or what their term is. We had a guy come out and get it so that we could have an LP gas cook stove. Yeah. So you, yeah, the plumbers come out and do the plumbing for the gas. Um, the plumbing for the gas. And then, uh, the nice thing is. Well, the good.
25:21there is niceties, but you need to know about them, is your appliances you can buy with conversion kits for LP. Yes. So it can be either LP or natural gas, whether it's your air conditioner or your furnace or your stove, what have you, you just make sure that you are purchasing one that has the LP conversion kit with it. Yep, and that's what we did. We bought a really nice, really nice gas range thing.
25:51from Lowe's, I think it was, and made sure that it had the converter kit with it. And then we called the guy and said, we have the stove, when can you come hook it up? And he said, how's tomorrow? I was like, that's better than a week from now, please come. And he did. Yeah. And he was great. He was great. He walked in and I was like, I'm so happy to see you. And I had a huge smile on my face. And he said, why are you so smiling? And I said, because I've been working with the glass top electric stove for a year. I hate it.
26:21My wishes come true in being here and putting this in. He was like, well, let's get it done. I was like, yes, please, let's get it done. So, and best gas stove I've ever had. I love this thing, it's wonderful. So anyway, wow, this has gone really fast. We're almost at 30 minutes. What can help the realtor the most?
26:48when a client is looking for a new place? We sort of touched on it, but is there anything we missed? Well, I think, you know, to round it off, when a client is looking for a realtor, you want to make sure that you find somebody who is experienced and well-rounded so that they can inform you and help you off in the right direction or away from properties that aren't going to be a good fit for you. Not that you shouldn't go look at them. I would never steer anybody away from a property.
27:18but educating them on the pluses and minuses of each one is huge. And then just communicate, excuse me, communication with your realtor is key. So be honest, be forthright, you know, and if you're not always going to get the answer you want to hear. I tell, and I told you in Kyle this, you're not always going to like what I tell you, but you will always know the truth and you'll always know where you stand. Absolutely.
27:46you know, just communicate with your Realtor, find somebody that you mesh with and somebody who can actually guide you and has the experience and the knowledge to make sure that you don't get in over your head. Okay, I want to add something to that. Also find someone as talented and skilled and bubbly personality as Ms. Lori is here because that really, really helped. Okay, this is the hardest part of this whole thing is listening to you rave. Oh, why? The fact that my voice is disappearing.
28:15Well, but yeah, listening to you compliment me is very nice. But yes, I'm very humble. Thank you. Well, we love you. You're now part of the family. Well, that's the nice part. When you do get a good realtor and you do get that relationship going, I would say pretty much most of all my clients, we become friends afterwards. Yeah, I refer to you as my sister from another mister a lot of the time. Oh, yeah, there you go. That works.
28:43Another one too, yeah, another mister and another mom. Yeah, that too, yep, exactly. But I think what I was actually trying to get at is what the person who's looking for a new place can do to help the search, help the realtor with the search. Narrow down exactly what you must have. I always tell my clients make two lists, makes a must have and a nice to have. Well, three, and then a deal breaker.
29:12So if you can come down to a few points that are absolutely necessities in that property, get those down on paper and get those to your agent. And then if there's deal breakers, like absolutely no way and heck are we going to buy those if it has this or that or doesn't have this or that, put those deal breakers down as well because that'll help narrow down the search. I find a whole lot of property, but most of it's nothing that you're going to be interested in if I don't know what you're looking for.
29:41Yeah, you've got to be able to narrow it down somehow. You can't, you can't just be like, I'm going to take you to see a hundred houses. That's not going to work. Right. But yeah, I mean, don't just tell me you want a kitchen. Yeah. The house comes with a kitchen that's guaranteed, uh, functionality. Can't always guarantee that, you know, things like that. Gas stove. I know you had to give up your gas stove for a year, but you've got a lot of your other things that you needed in that house. So you have to be flexible as well.
30:09It's a little bit of give and take with your must haves and deal breakers. Yeah. Well, the must have for us was not to live in the house in Jordan anymore. And we got that. So we're very happy. Yes. That was a big task because I did not think after, after the first couple of years that you guys were ever going to just pull the trigger. Well, we weren't really in a position to pull the trigger.
30:38things happen, life happens, and then it's the right timing. Yep, and then once we were, we were like, let's call Lori and get the heck out here now. And we did, and we're so happy we did. So it all worked out great. Yeah, and as far as clients go too, don't ever feel like you're putting your agent or your friend out if you call them or ask them a question, even if you're not ready to buy. I've known Mary and Kyle for years, they weren't ready to buy. I've known a lot of clients,
31:08Mary and Kyle are probably the law close to the longest before when they started searching to when they were actually ready to buy. So I've had clients, you know, two, three years and I just consult with them. That's what I'm here. I love real estate. I love helping people. If you have a question, let me know. If you're under contract with another agent, let me know that too because then there's a little bit of an ethical dilemma. But get to know your agent before you're ready to pull the trigger. If you're even thinking about making a move in the future.
31:37find an agent that you like now before the pressure's on. Yes. Then you can get that relationship going, you can get to know each other, and you can actually have a much more successful transaction when it comes time to actually do it. And far more enjoyable too. Right, less stressful for sure, yes. Yeah, because it really helps when the person who's trying to find what you want is someone you like and they like you. Right, oh yeah.
32:05I mean, my clients, I get totally invested in my clients, in what they want and their happiness and their goals. And any good agent will do the same. We're the second tier. You guys are first and foremost, always. So what you want, what you need, and then my job or any good agent's job is to guide you and to get you what you want for the best possible price, the best location.
32:36All right, I think maybe this will help some people. This particular episode, I hope it will. I hope so. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me. I really wanted to do this with you. You are welcome. And again, you can share my contact information if anybody has questions in the future or questions that we didn't hit on in this podcast, feel free to contact me. All right, awesome. Thank you so much. Okay, thanks Mary. Bye. Bye-bye.
 

Blended Acres

Today I'm talking with Lawrence at Blended Acres.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Lawrence at Blended Acres. Good morning, Lawrence. How are you? I am well, and you? Good. Where are you? I am located in Quinter, Kansas. Okay.
00:27I couldn't figure it out from your Facebook page. I didn't see anything about what state you were in. I was like, I have no idea where this person lives. OK, I will have to address that. Yeah. OK, so tell me about what you do at Blended Acres. We are a first generation farm with myself and my wife. We raise a
00:50sheep for lamb meat. We also raise corn and wheat and currently some oats and millet and a few other feed crops. And then we, in the fall we sell pumpkins and kind of have a small farm market.
01:14Very nice. How did you end up getting here? Because of your first generation, I'm guessing it wasn't family. It was not. I, uh, in 2004 when I graduated, I came to Kansas to go on a custom harvest crew. And, um, just absolutely fell in love with, with Kansas at that point in time. Um, and then, uh, it was in 2007.
01:43when we moved here permanently.
01:52Okay. So I get that you fell in love with the thing that you were doing, but it's a huge leap to go from falling in love to actually doing the thing. So were you just like, I'm young, I learned, I can do this? Well, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't give you enough detail there. I grew up in Michigan
02:22of my neighbors in that area on the farm growing up.
02:31Once I came here, it was quite a process. I mean, it started as a hobby. And...
02:45most things were done in the evenings after work and that and over time as we've been able forward to is how we've gotten to this point where we we have our own operations. Okay so tell me tell me about the operation because this is this is not small scale correct? Not anymore no not really. We have a currently
03:13a little over 200 years. We have 450 acres of farm ground that we rent. And then we custom farm on average, I do plant 8 to 12,000 acres a year between the different crops.
03:37When we messaged you were like, I'm not sure that I fit what you're looking for. And when I said that you are, I'm going to tell you why I said that you are. You are perfect for what I'm doing with my podcast because there are people in the world right now who are interested in doing the kinds of things that you're doing, but they don't know anything about it. They don't know how to go from falling in love with the idea.
04:06to making it go. And you fell in love with the idea and you're making it go and you're making it go big. So you're exactly the kind of person I want on my podcast because you're helping other people be inspired to go after the dream. What? I'm glad that that I can fill that role. Yeah because it's kind of scary for people.
04:34especially people who maybe grew up in the city and get introduced to the idea of not being a city person anymore. And they're like, I have no idea how to get from here to there. So part of my goal from my podcast is that people get to live vicariously through the stories they hear, or they get inspired to stop living vicariously and actually go do the thing.
05:04Okay. So that's why I wanted you to be on my show. Okay. So do you guys have kids? Yes, we do. We have...
05:19I'm sorry, I'm counting. We had five kids. We have, our youngest is five. We have two girls that are, will be 10 here in the next, well, one couple days and the next one is in July. And then our, and Philip would be.
05:48just turned 12 and then we had a son that passed away. He would have been 14 this year. Okay, so you're a classic farm family. You're married and you got a parcel of kids and that's way cool. It is. And that parcel of kids is gonna come in real handy as they get bigger and wanna help. Yes. And I'm guessing that.
06:16the older of the five probably do already help. Well, he kind of, he does help in the shop some and does some stuff like that, but it's not really his cup of tea. The youngest one and our one daughter are probably the ones that are most intrigued and in love with the farming.
06:46Well, a couple out of five isn't bad. It's real good. I don't try to force anything on the kids. We've been trying really hard to develop their likes and interests so they don't feel like they have to be part of the farm. But there's a lot of things that.
07:11are still useful on the farm that aren't directly, you wouldn't think are directly related. Our one son is very, he's mechanically minded, so that is a very useful thing, but that also can take you into a lot of other industries. Sure. Yes, absolutely. So he's not pigeonholed into just mechanics on the farm. No. So that's...
07:42That is one thing that I've seen a lot over the years is if you make your children feel like the farm is the only option, they're going to either hate it or they won't be around. So I try to leave the doors very open for the children. You are a smart man. That's a good plan. Okay.
08:12lamb for eating. Yes, yes. Does that like go to grocery stores or is that to local buyers? Well, the large majority still goes to a packer. We have a contract with them. But we, in the last couple years here, we have been having our processing done at a local processor and we've
08:42via Facebook, local ads and farmer markets here in Kansas. Okay, so my question is, because we, I've said this before on the podcast, we here at A Tiny Homestead really love lamb, but for us it's a treat to get it and cook it because it's kind of hard to come by. And so my question is,
09:08When you are sending your lambs to slaughter to be sold in stores, where is it going? Like what states is that meat going to? Well with the packer that we have a contract with, it goes all over the country. But mostly it's larger cities and a lot of lamb ends up in the East Coast where the demand is highest. If it's sold that way.
09:38here with what we're selling off the farm ourselves, it's mostly just been within a 150 mile radius of where we live. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that there was a huge demand on the East Coast for lamb and I am in the Midwest. So that might be why I'm not able to get my hands on lamb at a grocery store very often.
10:03I guess you'd call it not our immediate small grocery store that's in our town, but where most everybody travels to to go to the bigger Walmart is in Hayes, Kansas. There is a grocery store that has it there, but what we've seen is it's very expensive. It's almost, it's more than most people are going to spend for a small cut of meat.
10:32So they don't stock a lot of it, but it is available there. We've been trying to keep our prices low enough that it is still feasible for a family to try it. Yeah. And with inflation prices across the board, it doesn't surprise me that it's super expensive at the grocery stores. When we have had lamb, we have literally bought a lamb. Okay.
11:01And and butchered it ourselves not killed it but butchered it ourselves and that made it very affordable But my husband hunts so butchering a lamb is not a lot different than butchering a deer No, they're very similar in size Yeah, so so that's how we got into knowing that we enjoy cooking lamb and lamb is is Terribly versatile for cooking with because it wants to take in whatever you season it with
11:31Yes, it does. And if you cook it right, it's really tender and it's delicious and now I want some. Yes. We have found that anytime you cook lamb, if you have patience, it's gonna turn out amazing. It's not something I would recommend that you grab out of the freezer and try to cook within 30 minutes because it needs to be completely thawed and you cook it.
11:59slower and you'll have a very desirable product. Absolutely, yes. I cooked a small leg of lamb in a very large crock pot one time and it was delicious. It turned out great. The other thing about lamb is the tallow. The fat is amazing for soaps and for lotions and all kinds of things. So that was part of the reason we wanted to buy.
12:29the whole animal ourselves and butcher it because then we can have the tallow too.
12:35Yes, there's a lot of different byproducts with a lamb. The lanolin and the wool has a lot of uses.
12:47Sorry, just lost my train of thought. It's a very versatile used animal, I think is where you're going. We actually had some ewes that had a lot of extra milk after we were weaning some lambs. So I milked some ewes for a time. The milk drank well. And my wife was making some soap for a little while with the sheep's milk. And that was a very...
13:17fun project and I really enjoyed how well it worked to clean my hands and it actually helped put some moisture back into my hands. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure with the work that you do, you get your hands dried out all the time. Yeah, all the time. The one thing I do want to say about lanolin is some people are allergic to lanolin and if you've never been exposed to it, make sure.
13:44that you put like a little bit on your skin, like on the inside of your wrist before you like slather anything with Lamolin in it on your body because you can get real sick from it. Yes, some people do have a reaction. So you have to be aware of how your body handles certain things. Yes. And the only reason I say that is because I have heard from a few people and it's happened to me.
14:10you can develop allergies as an adult that you never had as a child. So when you're doing something new, whether it's a food or something you're putting on your skin that you have never tried or that you haven't tried since you were a 10-year-old and now you're 40, be really careful because sometimes you're going to get surprised at the reaction to it. You can. You can. And just a public service announcement because I...
14:38I found out I am allergic to capsaicin two years ago, the hot thing in hot peppers. And I couldn't breathe. And I had always been able to eat hot peppers and then I can no longer eat hot peppers. So that was a huge surprise.
14:54So I want people to be careful and take care of themselves and be aware that things do happen that you don't expect to happen, that's all. Okay, so when do sheep or lambs go to market? When do you actually harvest them? Anywhere from 120 to 140 pounds is ideal. Some markets and some groups like them a little lighter.
15:24and some of them like older ewes. It just depends on their upbringing and where in the world they came from. Yep. Okay. So do your lambs, do your sheep, sorry, do your sheep lamb in like staggered batches throughout the year or do they just lamb in the spring? Well, that's...
15:51changed over the years, but currently we're trying to lamb a group in early February, March, and then we lamb again in October and November. Not every year takes for fall lambs, but there is a percentage that does. That way we have a more steady supply of lamb available.
16:21Yeah, so throughout, well, every six months basically. Yeah, yep. Yeah, okay. Cool, see, I haven't talked to anybody about sheep yet, so you're it. Okay. You're it. Okay, so when you guys butcher or have somebody butcher the lambs for sale in your community, do you get back the bones and the wool and stuff, or do you just get back the meat?
16:50Well, I always shear the lamb before it goes into the process, because if that wool touches the meat, it can leave a really gany flavor. So we want that hide pretty clean before it goes in. Okay. As far as I do get some of the organ meats back, but as far as the bones and the rest
17:20No, I usually don't take that back. Okay. Does anyone ask for the bones to make um to make lamb broth? Well it um
17:33I mean, you can get some, they'll package soup bones. That's one of the things we get back. But the people that want a lot of that product, a lot of times they'll come here to the farm and buy the live animal and harvest everything themselves. Okay. Yeah. The reason I ask is because we did make lamb broth, you know, bone broth from the lamb bones. And oh my God.
18:01It is amazing. Like we've met our own beef broth before from beef bones and that's okay. It's, it's, it's nice, but lamb broth is just so rich and deep and, and savory. And again, I'm going to have to talk to my husband this weekend and be like, we need to find somebody who's selling lamb because I just talked to this guy and I want to make lamb again, my mouth is watering thinking about it. That's how much we like it here. So.
18:30Anyway, anyone who's never made bone broth from lamb bones or sheep bones, try it, because it's really good.
18:39Okay, so what do you guys do with the wool? Do you sell it? Do you spin it? Do you make things? Well, the last couple of years the price has been, it hasn't even paid to send it anywhere. It's been doing, we use it a lot as mulch around plants. That's really good for that. But when the
19:06up enough to where we can pay for the shipping, we do send it to be processed. Okay. Yeah, I heard that the wool market is really not great. I heard it from somebody else a while ago. It is not. We in the U.S. are not able to scour and process a lot of wool because of the regulations that we have here in the States. So China is the main buyer of wool and
19:36Our wool in the US generally is not as good as the wool that's coming out of like New Zealand and Australia and those parts of the world. The western part of the United States, the wool from the western use tends to be more desirable than the wool from the farm flocks in the eastern part of the country.
20:02Is it really hard to process the wool to get it to the point where you can spin it? Is that why it's such a problem? It is quite a process and I think, I'm not an expert on this topic. I would want to do a little bit more research but a lot of what the issue is is getting the wool clean leaves a lot of byproduct, waste product.
20:31And that is, the exposing of that is the main concern, is why it's not a huge industry here in the United States. Okay. All right. That makes more sense. Because I know that the sheep can get kind of grubby. And I also know that the lanolin is all throughout their wool and that makes it hard to work with until it's cleaned. And carding wool is an...
21:01utter pain in the butt and then spinning it. I mean, back in the very old days, people had spinning wheels and they would spin the wool. But that's not a thing now. I mean, I'm sure there are people who do it because they like to do it. There are people, but they're very far or few between. I think I know four or five people throughout the country that do that. Yeah, and it's time intensive. It takes a long time. It is.
21:30an awesome hobby to have. We watched a lady doing it at a historical reenactment a few years back. And the process of it is amazing, but it's a very long time to make it worth it. So, okay. The crops that you grow, you said wheat and what else?
21:59I've raised millet and oats and then sorghum, sedan grass for feed also is another thing that we've raised and occasionally a soybean, but not very often. Okay, what's milo? Milo is a grain sorghum. It looks like a broom on top of the plant that has small round seeds on it. Okay. That's a feed crop.
22:29It's pretty widely produced here in western Kansas. Okay. And is it for, is it for, um, is it for cloven, hooved animals or is it just for cows? It's, it's, it, a lot of it would go to, uh, chicken feed, hog feed, uh, some cattle feed. I use it some with the sheep. Um, but it's, it's, it's mostly, it's very.
22:57The nutrients are very similar to corn. It just has a little less energy. Okay. Is it related to corn? I don't, I can't not direct. More of a sorghum type grass, but most, most corn is in the grass family also. So it, I guess in a way, but not directly. I'll have to look it up and see, cause now I'm curious. I'll look it up later.
23:27Okay, so with that stuff, is that just to feed your animals or is that sold out? Most of that is sold. When we raise it, it goes to the local co-op and a lot of that, the last few years has ended up in the export market. So that's really, and they do use it as a, our local ethanol plant does use quite a bit of.
23:57milo to produce ethanol also. Okay. So, there's a lot here. I mean, it's not just you get up in the morning and go feed the animals and water and that's your job. You have to consider all the markets. You have to consider the health of your animals. You have to consider the weather, the health of your crops, the futures. You have a complete and total farm business.
24:26Yes, I would say that that would be the marketing and the financial end is the most challenging part of what we do. Agriculture is very capital intensive. It takes a lot of dollars to operate on a day-to-day basis. Yes, and it takes a lot of dollars even on a small scale too. It does.
24:54We are a farm to market homestead. And so we have maybe a third of an acre garden that we grow every summer. And we are growing specifically cucumbers, tomatoes, and green beans this year heavily because that's what people want. They want to be able to can in August and September. And so...
25:22It's not a big garden. I mean, it's a big garden compared to our little tiny garden we used to grow on our city lot. But it's not the scale that you're doing. And it costs money. It costs money for the diesel for the little tractor to till it. It costs money for the seeds. It costs money in keeping, making sure that we're fed and rested so we have the energy to do the work. It costs money. And so
25:52So the old saying about it takes money to make money is absolutely true. Very true. Very true. And when I was a teenager, my first job ever, I think I was 11 or 12 was babysitting a six month old baby. I had never babysat in my life and it didn't cost me any money to make the $30 that I made for the night, but it costs me an anxiety and stress and being worried that I would
26:21that I would kill a baby because I had no experience babysitting. So everything costs, but in the expenditure of whatever the energy, the form of the energy it takes, there's usually a return. And so my next question is, are you happy doing what you're doing? Do you love it? I do love what I do. There is days.
26:50I need a disclaimer here that it's extremely stressful and then you will question is this really worth it. But I would say 90% of the time, I'm very grateful to be doing what I'm doing. And there's your return. Yes. Okay. I have one more question. Why did you name it Blended Acres? Well, there's... My current wife is my second wife. I had...
27:20I've been through a divorce and the first time I started off it was just Libby Farms. It was my last name. It was a pride thing. I wanted to leave an absolute legacy that had my name on it. After the process of going through a divorce and raising children.
27:47My wife came, my current wife came into my life and we became a blended family. Yes. And.
27:58when the opportunity came to start again into agriculture like we are now.
28:08We spent a lot of time pondering and discussing what to call this. I didn't have that absolute desire to have my name carried on, but I wanted it to be available to any of the children. Or if my children decide later that they don't want
28:35be any part of this that it could be transferred onto another individual. And that's where we come up with the blended acres. We are truly a blended family. What we do, it's a blended operation. We have multiple facets of what's going on here. And it just, my wife presented that name to me and it just stuck. Yep. I love that. That's fantastic. We are a blended family as well.
29:03The four kids that we have raised all have different sets of parents. I have three of my body and then my husband has one from a previous relationship. And the four kids, we consider them to be ours, but only one of them, the youngest, is actually genetically related to me and my husband. Does that make sense? Yep.
29:31So I love blended families and blended families are the best way to teach kids compromised. Mm-hmm. I agree with that. Because there was a lot of big personalities in my beautiful blended family. And they all had to figure out how to work together and how to have disagreements respectfully. And they all do it really well. So blended families are amazing.
30:00All right, Lawrence, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. And I love, I love, love, love that you are raising sheep because I had not had chance to talk to anybody in depth about sheep yet. Okay. One thing I would like to share if you have just a moment. I do. Um, some advice for anybody that is trying to do this. It's going to take a lot of hard work and don't.
30:29Strive for the shiny. Do what you can within your means. You don't have to have the nicest stuff to start with. Find stuff that's reliable and build from that because I've seen people try to have all the best right off the bat and it usually doesn't last. It ends in tears. Yes, it does. So I guess that's patience and diligence and trying to...
30:59make wise decisions in our businesses what's allowed us to get to where we are now, not just, oh, I want a new pickup. We have no new machinery here. That is not part of our operation. And to be quite frank, if it was, we would not be in business. We could not afford the debt load that goes with it. Yeah.
31:28Absolutely. I actually have another question about what you're saying because this is what happens. Would you also suggest that people find mentors, people who are doing it already and talk to them? I would very much so. If it wasn't for my upbringing with my grandfather on his farm and the gentleman that helped shape me as a young man, I would not be able to do what I do now.
31:58And another attitude that I've always adopted is I do not know everything, and I'm not afraid to ask to find out. Yeah. So yes. So yes, fine. I mean, I'm always asking questions, going to conferences, learning, trying to develop myself personally to continue to do a better job at what we have here. Yep. So.
32:26So basically do what you can with what you have where you are and don't be afraid to ask questions. Ask questions. Lots and lots of questions. Okay. I think that's fantastic advice, Lawrence. Thank you. You're welcome. You have a great day. You too. Thank you. Bye.
 

Strom Acres Homestead Pinnacle, NC

Today I'm talking with Jamie at Strom Acres Homestead Pinnacle, NC. If you'd like to buy Happy Homestead Coaching by Jamie Strom, click here, and I will receive a small commission. 
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Jamie at Strom Acres Homestead. Good morning, Jamie. How are you? I'm well, thank you. How are you? I'm great. Is it lovely where you are? Yes, it is. Very sunny today. And where are you again? Pilot Mountain, North Carolina.
00:28That's right, North Carolina. You're like the 10th person I've talked to from the Carolinas in the last month. It's, it's gotta be the place that homesteaders go to, to build their dreams. I swear. There's a lot of it around here. A lot of it grew up learning it. Yeah. Um, so tell me about yourself and what you guys do. Um, I live here on Six Acres with my husband. We are empty nesters.
00:58And I replace my children with farm animals. As we all do, yes. Um, they're fenced in orchard. The orchard has apple, peach, pear, plum, almond, trees. I think that's all out there. And I keep the chickens fenced in with the orchard. That way I don't have to move their poop. They just fertilize the trees for me. Perfect. And you have two coops inside that. So if a predator or something has to get in, they got to go through two fences.
01:27We've also got dogs and cats and honeybees. That's all for now. I'm also a nurse. I'm a diabetes teacher. I work part of the hospital and part time from home. I have two grown kids, 33 and 27, and I have a grandson that's 10. Wow, okay. I have four grown kids too, and one of them is 34 and one of them is 32. So your 33 year old is right in between. Yeah, yeah.
01:57Nice. Okay, so how did you end up coming to this lifestyle? I think it slowly progressed over the years. Um, I've always had a little garden started out probably in my 20s. When I first got married, got my own place, always had tomato plants. And then started the raised bed thing and then started the chicken thing. And then we added on honeybees.
02:26And then we expanded the raised beds to now we have about, well, I think it just keeps expanding. Um, I like the idea of living, being self-sufficient. Um, COVID did scare everybody when they ran low on food in the grocery stores. And I thought, Hmm, I could just do this myself. My grandparents did it. If they could do it, I can do it. So I've just slowly been learning more. And just.
02:55building on the knowledge already had. Yeah, it's like a runaway train, I swear. Especially with social media, you always see something else out there you think, if they can do it, I can do it. Yeah, I think it's true. And I don't think it's true for everyone. I've said this a couple times on the podcast that
03:18I'm not sure that homesteading is for everybody. I think that it takes a special person, and I don't mean in a derogatory way, I think it takes someone special to want to learn and grow in this way. Absolutely. I know lots of my friends say, I could never do that. I could never do that. I'm like, well, I'm glad I can. They don't wanna get their hands dirty. They don't wanna do a little chick-a-boop. They don't wanna hear a rooster. And that's the kind of stuff that just don't bother me.
03:46Yeah, I kind of like hearing roosters. We don't have one, but our neighbors about a quarter mile away have a rooster. And I'm usually up before the sun comes up and I hear him calling and I'm like, oh, he knows what time it is. I recently made a ringtone out of my rooster's roost because he's teaching a younger rooster how to do it. Oh, fun. He's going, he's doing his, errr, errr, and then the baby goes, errr. That's adorable.
04:16That's great. So I don't know when your book came out. I know you have a book out and I don't think it was out when I approached you about being on the show. So can you tell me about your book? Sure. I wrote it the last half of last year and it was published in January. It's called Happy Homestead Coaching. That's the book. It's on Amazon. Anybody's interested. Okay, what's it about?
04:46about how to not just do the homestead thing, but how to maintain happiness and a peaceful life throughout it, not let it overwhelm you, not let it be something that you regret. That is a fantastic topic for a book because there have been days since we moved to our three acres where I'm like, what are we doing today? And it can, it can overwhelm you. Oh yes, absolutely. You have to know when to say, that's enough for now.
05:15Yeah, last summer we were making lip balms and cold process lye soaps and candles. And my husband was doing the garden and the farmers markets and the CSA. And I was trying to keep everybody fed and make sure the clothes got washed. And like in July, I just looked at him. I said, what are we doing? This is nuts.
05:40And he said, this is summer. He said, wait until November. You'll be like, I'm so bored. What do I do now? And we don't even have animals. I mean, we have a dog and barn cats and chickens. It's not like we're taking care of cows and goats and horses. Right. That's one reason I don't have those is because I do feel like it would overwhelm me. Yeah. I mean, I would love to have them. I think that would be really fun, but I think the fun part of it would probably go away after about a month and I'd be like, Oh, this is.
06:10a lot of work. Okay, so do you guys, I asked this of everybody who homesteads, do you homestead just to be sustainable for yourselves or do you sell stuff? We haven't sold stuff as of yet because we, I can and I want to preserve and keep as much as I can in the basement. After I feel like I've got enough stored on my own, then I'll start selling. And I just got about 70.
06:40chicks from Tractor Supply in the last two months. So I'm gonna start getting too many eggs and I'm not canning eggs. So I probably will start selling them at that point. I got that many chickens so that I could raise them and then sell the chickens. I can buy the chickens for three or four bucks and then sell them for 30 or whatever. That's my plan. My plan is not to keep 70 chickens. Yeah, that's a lot of birds and a lot of eggs. Oh my God. You're using ducks too. Oh.
07:10So you have branched out into other fowl. I did, I was a sucker at the tractor supply. They're awfully cute, it's hard to walk away without them. Yep. And if we had the set up for chickens, it'd be so easy just to put them all together, and it is. Just like other chickens, they all get along fine, they all eat fine, they all drink from the same water. No fault can go to it though, ever. Yeah, I won't go to tractor supply between February and-
07:39June if I can avoid it because I'm gonna get suckered in and I'm gonna be like we should try doing baby chickens and my husband really wants to do that and I don't most of the time I don't but I went to Tractor Supply like two springs ago and they had the most adorable ducklings and the guy let me hold one and they're not supposed to but he did and that duckling almost came home with us and I was like yeah I need to not go to Tractor Supply when it's when it's the
08:07the time that they're selling the baby fowl because they're adorable and I want them, but I don't actually want them. You kind of do and you kind of don't. Yeah, we have like 18 chickens that are laying hens and that's more than enough. I'm good. It's all good. And they're useless so you don't ever get baby chickens? No. Okay. Nope, but we have many, many, many eggs, many eggs. I'm sure. When I first brought the babies home, I had them in plastic Walmart tubs in my kitchen.
08:37I had three of them on my kitchen table. I was not ready for them. And as they got bigger, I'm like, hmm, now what? And luckily we had a storage shed, it was 10 by 10, that we just cleaned out and made it the nursery. Yeah. This week we put a chicken access door through it and fenced outside so they can go in and out and it's working great. Yeah, I mean, honestly, chickens are the gateway drug to all the other animals you wanna get.
09:04And the reason why is because chickens are fairly low maintenance. Fairly. I mean, we got four chickens when we lived in town before we moved here. And really, my husband would clean out the coop like once a month because it was four chickens. And we had eggs enough for me to make a batch of cookies for the kids and for the kids to have a couple scrambled eggs during the week. So it's not that hard.
09:32They don't require a lot of care and they don't really require a fancy coop. We bought one of the sheds you can get at Home Depot, you know, the vinyl ones, when we first got them. And actually, no, when we first got them, we got one of those chicken coops that it, I don't know how to explain it. It looks like a rabbit hutch. Yeah. One of those. And it really wasn't big enough for four chickens.
10:01And so we ended up getting the shed thing from Home Depot. And once the shed was built, the chickens were so happy because they had so much more room. And we kept referring to the shed as the chicken mansion. We built them a mansion. And we called it that to the neighbors. And the neighbors like, what do you mean chicken mansion? And we explained, they were like, oh, they're moving up in the world. I said, yes, they have much more room now. So it's a really simple thing to do.
10:28as long as your city allows you to do it if you live in a city. Yes, you mentioned having them when you were in the city. When we started out, we lived in the city. And then I didn't know they would get old enough to fly over the fence. We would get calls from the neighbors saying your chickens are walking down the sidewalks. And I learned how to trim their wings, but that's when I thought maybe we need a different place.
10:56Yeah, our plan was always to try to find a piece of land with a house on it because living in town wasn't really my favorite thing ever. And so when we had the opportunity to go, we went like there was a fire under our feet. We were like, okay, it's time, let's move. And we did. And our chickens are smarter than the average chicken, I guess. We live by a very busy highway. And it's not
11:26It's not like an interstate highway, but like a two-lane highway. And we live in the middle of corn fields and soybean fields and alfalfa fields. And so the big semis are going down the road all the time because they're transporting stuff back and forth. And I was afraid we started letting the chickens free range this past fall. They've usually been in a run and my husband was like, I'm gonna let them out. I said, okay.
11:54I was afraid that they would go out on the road and get hit. They only go about halfway between where their coop is and where the road is, and then they go back. They never actually go to the road. So we have not lost a chicken to a truck yet. Yeah, that's good. Maybe they go to the mountain too. Yeah, I don't know, but they love going out halfway across the garden, which is the expanse between the road and where their coop is. And they get about halfway across the garden.
12:24eat their way back through the earthworms and stuff. So I don't know what the deal is, but maybe they're just smarter than I think they are. Maybe so. Could be. I might have the smartest chickens in the world and I don't even know it. Who knows? I doubt it. Chickens are not the smartest animal ever. They're fine. Okay. So your book is... Tell me the name of the book again real quick. Nappy Homestead Coaching. Thank you. So are you...
12:54interested in coaching other homesteaders by chance? Yes, and I put in my book that I would coach other people. I put my contact information in it. And the book also teaches you how to coach others once you become a coach yourself and make an income off of it if that's what you choose. Very nice. That is a really great idea. I put all my passions together. The coaching, which I do through nursing, the happy, peaceful stuff, which I do online too.
13:24And then the homesickness kind of mixed them all together. Yeah, I really love the topic of the happy part and the joyful part because I have talked with so many people lately who are just swamped with the busyness and the fastness of life right now. And it's like they never get a chance to just breathe, to calm down and look around.
13:54Yes, enjoy it. As humans, we all need that. We need a chance for our anxiety levels and whatever the hormone is that goes with stress to come down. Yes, absolutely. I've got used to not being fixated on having the perfect garden. If I've got weeds in my beds, so what? I'm happy and the plants are still growing. I'll get to it when I get to it. I don't let it take me out.
14:22Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I have lots of thoughts about this and they're all dancing in my head and I can't pick one. Yeah, humans have to rest. You can't stay at a level of high anxiety all the time. It will kill you. It will, literally.
14:44So yeah, I think it's great. I'm actually thinking about picking up a copy of your book because I'm really curious about what's in it. Yeah, I'll probably get the E version and read it before I go to sleep, probably. Because right now I've got a lot going on too, who knew? So. You should watch out for it. If I'm not careful, it'll sneak up on me and I'll get overwhelmed, especially when I went from 10 chickens to 80. But you gotta face yourself and remind yourself
15:14Enjoy the small moments. Look out the window every morning and look at what you've got and just take a deep breath and relax and be thankful for the things you do have. Not worried about the things you still need to do. Yeah. My husband is one of those guys who is always looking forward further than he probably needs to. And he's always thinking about how do I make it bigger, better, more?
15:44And I finally had to sit him down a couple years ago and just be like, honey, we have already achieved more in our fifties than most people do by the time they die. Can you just take a day and look around and breathe it in and smile and realize what you've accomplished? And he was like, but, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you need to slow down. You need to stop for a minute and just take it in.
16:14This being of brain activity becomes a habit over your lifetime. You get used to being in this crisis mode where you have things to do and you've got to keep going or something bad's going to happen. So it's like turning your brain sideways to make it slow down and go from sixth gear to third and realize you can relax. It's just hard to do until it becomes a habit. Yeah, I tricked him. I had our kid make a fire in the fire ring. And
16:43I poured a little tiny snort of whiskey in a glass and my husband came over to talk to my son because we have benches that sit around the fire ring. My husband was sitting down talking to my son and I handed my husband the little tiny snort of whiskey and I said, drink this. He said okay and he drank half of it, put it down and I said okay.
17:07I said, you're sitting still. He said, I am. I said, there's a nice fire. He said, there is. I said, you have another sip of whiskey. I said, can you please now settle down for a minute? And he was like, you tricked me into stopping. I said, I sure did.
17:24And I started asking him questions about what he thought of what we had managed to do that particular year. And he's like, well, we did this and I want to do that. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, stay focused on this past year. And he did. He tried. And after he got talking, he thanked me. He was like, thank you for asking me about this. Because I didn't realize how much we've really managed to get done and how great it is.
17:53So if you have to trick somebody into calming down, trick them, it works. They'll thank you later. Exactly. So, speaking of busy, I cannot keep a lid on my news. I wanna share it with you and it'll get shared on the podcast when this comes out. I am starting a Midwest Makers Directory online today. I am starting to build it.
18:21because it does not exist. I'm making a directory for people who make things and who are crafters. And I am so excited about this. I woke up yesterday morning not knowing I was gonna do it. I had floated the idea a year and a half ago and it didn't seem like anyone was interested and I didn't think I had the skills to build it. And then yesterday someone commented on that post from a year and a half ago.
18:48And a whole bunch of people also commented and liked on it. They would be interested in that being a thing. So I went to Google and I typed in, how do I build a directory website? Because I didn't know if maybe there was a program that would do it for me, that I just had to pay somebody to do it and found out that it is affordable and simple and I can do it. So.
19:15talked to my husband last night when he got home and I said, so I have a thing that I ran by you a year and a half ago but now I have more information thinking about doing this and he's he listened and he said do that that is something people obviously want and need and you're good at this go do it. So for the next two weeks I'm gonna be building this thing and then getting the word out. The reason I'm sharing it is because it plays into the calm and joy thing.
19:44I thought that I would not sleep last night because when I have a thing that I'm gonna do that seems big to me, I chew on it when I try to go to sleep and I can't get to sleep. I slept like a baby last night so I know it's the right thing to do. Yes. So excited. And I don't want to hijack your story but it's driving me crazy and if I didn't get it out I was gonna be all distracted and not be able to ask any more questions. So. You got it before you. It's a good idea. I'm so excited. Um.
20:12A lot of times I wanted something homemade. Like recently I wanted like a crochet chick because I didn't think I could make it. I do crochet but I don't think I'm that good. And I wanted something local but I usually go to Etsy. But Etsy, it could be coming from anywhere all over the world and I can't really narrow Etsy down to looking just in like Midwest area wherever you are. So that's an awesome idea.
20:40Is it set up so you can do it as regions of the United States? And you can also have a map where there can be pins for people, for their addresses and stuff. It's really slick. I'm so excited to dive into this later today. And I was a good girl. I did not jump on it last night. And I absolutely did not cancel this interview with you because I was like, nope, I have to do the podcast and then I need to eat food.
21:07And then I can start on this because it's going to require my whole brain to get it going. Yes. So I'm, I'm glad that I had you to talk to you because it made me think through and take time and not just jump in and then be frustrated by six o'clock tonight with it. So that does come back to, to calm and joy and ideas and that you can't do everything at one time.
21:36Absolutely. So I think that plays into your book. And I will absolutely list the link for the Amazon listing for your book when I do the description for the episode. Don't let your new project overwhelm you. One more time? Don't let your new project overwhelm you. No, no, no, no. I'm going to try to take it as slowly as I can and still make it worth the time I'm putting into it. And my daughter happened to take a coding.
22:05class, a computer coding class two years ago. So I called her last night and I was like, I'm going to do this thing. If I get stuck and frustrated and overwhelmed, can I call you and can you try to talk me through whatever is I'm doing wrong? And she was like, of course I can. So I have a helper. Good. It's nice having grown kids sometimes. It is wonderful having grown kids who know more than I do. Yes.
22:31I want my kids to be more successful than I have ever been and she's well on her way. Anyway, enough about me and my idea. I just had to spit it out before I choked on it. So let me see what else I can ask you. You said that you can. Do you love canning or is it just a necessary evil? I enjoy it. I mean, if I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't grow so much.
23:01But I didn't know that my dad did it until I told him I was doing it. And he gave me a book that he used. My grandparents never really taught me how it's like, I know they did it, but it was like a survival skill that they had to have. And I guess they felt like, now that we've got canned food at the grocery store, I don't, my kids will never need those skills, but we do. I do enjoy it and I do try to teach it to my kids too.
23:31I think one of the best and worst things that ever happened is I think it was after World War II when all the instant foods became a fad. It was great because it freed women up to go pursue other things, but it was terrible because people stopped learning how to cook and providing nutritional food for their families. And I like knowing exactly what is and is not in my food.
24:01Yeah, me too. Me too. And it's, I swear, everything is a double-edged sword because women back then were expected to be in the kitchen and take care of the kids and bring their husband, their pipe and their newspaper and their dinner. And I, I'm trying really hard to say this the way I want it to come out.
24:29I am a stay at home mom to this day. Our youngest still lives here. He's 22. He's a fully grown adult and there are reasons why he's here and there are very important reasons that I'm not allowed to get into them. But I'm also not a full time hands on radar raised mom of little ones anymore. And the fact that I have time to cook from scratch and enjoy it is such a joy to me.
24:58It's such a blessing to me. And the thing that I have really learned in the last 10 years is that all that home cooking that I did for the kids made them healthy and made their brains work. And so I'm glad that I had the privilege of being a stay-at-home mom and cooking for them and making them things like crocheted scarves because I could.
25:23Because they saw me doing these skills that were important to know and they all learned to do them too. Yes.
25:33So I don't know, you can play on that if you want. If not, that's fine too. Yeah, I totally agree. I wasn't a stay at home mom, but now I think I've done more of the homesteading since my kids grew up and moved out because I got the time to do it now. Yeah. But yeah, I think there's a balance to it. You don't want to do too much. You mentioned like when we had to stay home and cook and clean and raise the kids all the time, there's a balance to it. And now we do have a choice.
26:01where we want that balance to be. We could be at home doing this kind of stuff all the time, or you can work full time now. Women have a choice. Yeah. But when you have the balance of both, it can be awesome. Yeah, and it's wonderful. I mean, I loved raising my kids. You know, I really, really did. But once the oldest turned 18, I didn't realize how I had been holding my breath for that.
26:31The day he turned 18, I swear I exhaled for five minutes straight. I was like, okay, he is, he is of age and I am still sort of responsible for him. But I'm not anymore. And it's a lot of weight on parents to raise their kids to adulthood. Oh yes. On top of everything else they're doing. And kids are, these days are needing their parents more past the age of 18. Yes.
27:01We still take our kids, new stuff every day because they're willing to learn. Especially a lot of the home fitting stuff. I didn't do a lot of this when they were growing up. I was working full time every time as a nurse. So now that I'm getting into it and sending them pictures of the baby chicks and the cannon in the garden, they, they do ask more questions and they're interested and they start more of their own at home too. Yes. We never stop being examples for our kids. It just keeps going. Oh yes.
27:30Okay, so I saw the pictures of your chicks. They are adorable. And most people don't know, I mean, anyone listening to this podcast probably knows, but people who are new to the homesteading idea don't know that average laying time from, from hatched chick to eggs is like 18 to 22 weeks. Right. And so,
27:58Part of the reason that we don't buy chicks, we buy laying hens that are already, you know, just started laying is because you still have to feed those little creatures until they start laying before you see a return on your money. Oh yes, and when they're growing, they eat more. Once they're grown, they kind of just free range. I don't feed them a lot of feed. They eat a lot of bugs off the ground. Yep. Right, when they're young, we're going through a lot of chicken food. Exactly.
28:27So it's really fun getting a day or two old chick and raising it, but it's also expensive if you're buying like 20 of them to keep them fed until they start giving eggs. And the reason I say this is because there is this picture of homesteading in a lot of people's heads that it's just this very pretty, very fun, easy thing.
28:54and it is very pretty and it can be fun, but it's not easy and it can be expensive. And it makes you work hard and you're tired at the end of the day. Yes. And I don't say that to discourage anyone, but I just want to be honest about this particular lifestyle. If you're really gonna dive into it deep, you gotta be ready to do the work. Absolutely. My justification always is that I'm gonna get a return off of it.
29:25I wouldn't have 80 chickens just to be pets. I plan on selling them and making money. And that's my justification for anything around here I do. It's to save money. Yeah, and that's honest. It's really nice when you can do something and give of yourself without expecting any return. But even with stuff that isn't a monetary return, there's some return or you wouldn't be doing it.
29:55The self-sufficiency is huge for me. The money we put into the garden blend dirt and the raised beds, I'll never get back. It would take a lifetime to get that back out of food. But the self-sufficiency part of it that I can take care of myself if I need to is something money can't buy. Yeah, exactly. And I'm gonna say this and then we're gonna wrap it up because it's been like half an hour already. That was fast.
30:24We have a huge garden that we grow and we sell produce at the farmers market from it and we sell produce at our farm stand on our property. And my husband decided that he was going to cut back on the many varieties of things that he's been growing and focus more on the things that we know people want like tomatoes and pickling cucumbers and just cucumbers and squash and green beans, the stuff that people really want.
30:52And I happened to look at a loss leader flyer this past weekend from the store. And I said, um, how many tomato plants did you plant? He said, 120. I said, how many cucumber plants or seeds did you plant? And he said, a hundred. I said, good. And he looked at me because I had that, oh, thank you, Jesus. Look, I'm there sound in my voice. He said, what? And I said, honey, I said, I don't see inflation coming down anytime soon.
31:21I said, I am happy to sell the excess produce this year. I said, but I hate to say it, but we need to make sure we can tomato sauce and diced tomatoes and pickles and green beans and freeze our squash because it's going to be real expensive to eat this coming winter. Yes. And he was like, Oh yeah. And I said, I'm actually getting a little nervous about this. And
31:49He said, well, he said, we've got all growing season. He said, and I have lots planted. I said, yeah, we need to stay on preserving it. So, anyone out there who isn't growing things, if you have even the littlest space in your yard that you could put in a raised bed, I would suggest growing some things this year. Yeah, absolutely. You mentioned how many tomato plants you had going. I'll tell you a funny story.
32:15I bought like 10 packs of tomato seeds, different tomato seeds that I wanted to plant in like January. And my husband thought it'd be sweet and bring home a tray full of 96 cherry tomato plants. Oh my god, okay. So now my plant tomato bed is now his cherry tomato bed and I told him I hope you like cherry tomatoes because you're going to be eating them for the next year. That's a lot. And we found two other beds and I cleaned out that I put my seeds in. Yatch. I love cherry tomatoes.
32:45And cherry tomato plants are prolific if they're healthy. Mm-hmm, like bushes. Yeah, yeah, and I like cherry tomatoes, but I don't think I could eat that many from that many baby plants, no. Not the good news. We're gonna have to find a cherry tomato recipe book. Mm-hmm. There is a cherry tomato pie recipe that I saw, and the comments that I saw under the recipe said that it
33:14almost tasted like a strawberry pie. So I can try to find it and send you a link if you want to try making a cherry tomato pie. Yeah, that'd be great. I don't want to. When I eat too many tomatoes, they do start to taste like strawberries to me. And when I eat too many strawberries, they start to taste like tomatoes to me. So I'm going to skip the pie thing. But it is a thing. It's out there. Yeah, please send it to me. I will try to find it again. I'll message it to you.
33:43All right, Jamie, thank you for entertaining me today, because really this is all about entertaining me today, because I was so distracted by my idea that I got to get going on. I'm like, I'm going to let her talk, because I need something to get my brain off this idea that's been spinning in my head for 24 hours now. I understand. Thank you for your time and your thoughts, and the fact that you wrote a fantastic book that will help other people. That's great. You too. Have a great day.
34:13Thanks, you too. All right, bye. Happy to see you. You too, bye. Bye.
 

Shipshape Farm

Today I'm talking with Whitney at Shipshape Farm. You can also follow on Facebook.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Whitney at Shipshape Farm. How are you, Whitney? I'm doing really well. Loving this day. Good. Is it North Carolina? It's actually South Carolina, but we're super close to North Carolina, so it's all good.
00:28Yeah, I've talked to a bunch of people in your area over the last couple of months and I always screw it up. If it's South Carolina, I say North Carolina and if it's North Carolina, I say South Carolina. I can't keep them straight, so. You're totally good. It's the Carolinas and I'm a North Carolina girl who now lives in South Carolina, so I'm good either way. Okay. Well, tell me about yourself and Shipshape farm.
00:54Well, first off, the name, I know it's a little tricky, but it comes from when we first moved out here in 2020. My husband is former military, former Navy, and the land was in a lot of disarray because it had been a couple of years since it had been well tended. So the idea was that courtesy of the Navy with an anchor and getting things ship shaped and then also
01:21kind of rescuing the land, that's where the name came from. But yeah, me, my husband, our four kids, and my parents all live here on the farm in the upstate of South Carolina. And I'm not exactly sure what you want to know about, so you'll have to ask me more detail. Okay. Well, how did you end up having a farm? Oh, I'm...
01:48We had moved to the upstate after my husband got out of the military because it was near to all of our family and that was in 2017. And then in 2020, the world kind of went on fire for everybody. And we were living on a quarter acre in the city and it was just not the best spot if we needed to like, if food supply chains got shut down, we needed to have better, just
02:18to take care of our family well. So we started hunting at the time. I was actually a real estate agent and was able to find this property that was only really 25 minutes from our existing home. And we were, the owner was lovely. We were able to meet and talk with her and then move onto the land. So initially we moved to the land for just.
02:45our family thinking we didn't know what was going to happen in the world, but we wanted to be prepared. And then as we've lived here, thankfully the world has not imploded. So that's been marvelous. And we've gotten, that's a good thing. So we've gotten to learn a lot because we started out as like the very worst farmers ever. But we've learned. So here we are.
03:14My mom is in charge of the garden. She does a fantastic job taking care of that. And really, from about April to November, we don't have a greenhouse yet, but from about April to November, we primarily eat all of our fresh produce is from her garden for all eight of us. And then we have chickens, and so we've got lots of eggs. And then we have goats who we milk. So they're dairy goats and then land clearing goats as well.
03:42And so we're slowly working to the self-sustainable component. Yeah. Okay. You're not, you weren't the worst farmers ever. You were just beginning farmers. That's all. Oh, I don't know. We lost some livestock. The things that you think you're supposed to know, we just didn't, we just did so many things backwards. But the beauty of it was...
04:12Our mistakes sent us hunting for the people who knew more. And so we've been able to build a phenomenal community here with people who are much more knowledgeable and very gracious in sharing their wisdom. So we've been able to learn a lot from them. It is so funny to me that so many people changed their lives during COVID. Yeah. And pretty much to either make sure they had food
04:41or to get away from people because it was just so uncomfortable being surrounded by people but not being able to be around people. And the thing that's come out of it is this huge community or network of new people in our lives. Yes. And that's wonderful. It's this crazy circle that happened. It's been really grand. I would say my favorite part though is that...
05:11getting to do life with multiple generations together. If you had told me that this is my life, would be my life, like 20 years ago when I got married, I would have said you were insane and that that was not me. It sounded like a terrible idea to especially live, share the land with my parents and I'm about a mile and a half away from all of my in-laws and...
05:40But it is glorious. It's very much like a lot of people in a marriage. So there are times that it's tricky and challenging and conflict and confusion, but the good far outweighs the difficulty. So it's been really wonderful to build those deep relationships in a way that we could have never done with the military. Yeah, it must be a great way to hone your compromising skills. Yeah.
06:11That is very true. So, we don't really have any, maybe laid back is a good word. I mean, I would say I'm probably the most laid back of everybody, but I'm still pretty hyper. And so getting us all to work together well with all of our very strong personalities has been entertaining, to say the least.
06:38I bet. I bet it's been fun and frustrating at exactly the same time. Yes, yes. But that's most good things, right? Yes, it sure is. Every damn day. Pretty much. Yeah, you just... But that's, I think, I think with both the land and the relationships, it's it's such a constant in-your-face reminder that the good things in life take effort. They take work. They're not easy.
07:08And we have this idea in our culture that easy is the best way to go. Easy is to like almost king. Comfort is king. But we miss so many beautiful things in our lives when we're not willing to put in the effort and the work. Absolutely. I couldn't have said it better myself. That is brilliant. Okay. So what do you guys do at Ship Shape Farm? Well.
07:35As of this past semester, so in January, we opened up to be able to do classes here on the land. So, and you already heard, I said I'm not very phenomenal or I started out not very phenomenal. So it's kind of fun because we have preschool classes and we have homeschool classes that come, they come once a week. And it's been amazing because they cannot ask a dumb question that we have not already asked.
08:05There's this level of, it's all good. Let's ask and learn together. So starting in February, we had a winter session. So that was six weeks long. People signed up to come for one class per week, either preschool or homeschool bracket. And we just explore the land. So the biggest perk I have found personally, and what's been mirrored back from the parents of the preschoolers is that
08:35The goal is when you come onto our land, we leave hustle culture on the main road. It's not allowed on the driveway. So we come here and spend two hours reconnecting with the wonder of childhood in the world around us. And so we go at the preschoolers pace. We do not hustle them. We do not rush them.
09:00So sometimes our little nature walk will take an hour and a half. It's not a long walk. But when you're counting every single acorn that you see, it takes a minute. So it's just that ability to be delighted in the smallest things. So that's one component with our preschoolers and then with our homeschoolers. It's really just enabling them and we have it catered for homeschoolers because that is...
09:29during the school day, it's not taking up nights or weekends. But it's enabling them to have tech-free learning engagement. There's so many opportunities for homeschoolers now, but a lot of them do involve some sort of device. And so it's really grand for them to get outside. We build things together. We're painting farm buildings. We're learning about goat care. We're gathering eggs. We're digging in the garden, taking care of plants. So it's just that opportunity to.
09:59really engage with your world and be where your feet are. So it's farm and nature school is what it is? Yes, yes. Okay. So they all get to taste our goat milk. They learn how to milk the goats. They learn, the older ones who have the hand strength learn how to trim the goat hooves. So they just, they love it. So we did a winter session, a spring session, and we're in a little.
10:26short three-week session this May before the summer time. We're actually doing summer camps here on the land this summer. Okay, summer camp. Does that mean that they'll stay over or is it day camp? It's day camp. The lodging and liability for overnight, it was pretty daunting. So we're just doing day. Yeah, I just, I never know because when I was growing up in New England, there was a lot of go to camp and stay for a week or two.
10:56Yes. So I thought I'd ask. That's a fair question. There's a lot of options in the area. There's not as... Let me back that up. There are many marvelous options in our area for camp. However, quite a few of them involve a lot of time inside.
11:20And ours is gonna be totally outside. If it is raining, we're gonna be outside anyway. Like you don't melt in the rain. You're not the wicked witch of the west. So we're just gonna get messy and get dirty. In fact, I have a very clear warning when people sign their kids up, like they will get dirty. And just pack them a change of clothes for going home in because you're not gonna want them in your car. But I think...
11:44I don't know. I think it'll be grand. They're based, all the camps are based off of classic children's books. So we're doing one based off of Treasure Island, one off of Peter Pan, and one based off of Charlotte's Web. That is amazing. I have a question. Were you a teacher in a former life by any chance? No, I'm just a mom that liked to be over the top. Okay.
12:11really just doing the stuff that I did with my children when they were little. Um, we would, we would just create things and do fun stuff together all the time and we'd bring their friends in on it. And so now this summer I'm working with my kids, cause they were all teenagers, they're all old and having the opportunity to, to, to share that delight and joy and creativity with other people. That is phenomenal.
12:39I'm in love with your plan. I think it's amazing. During COVID, my youngest kid was still living with us and he's actually still living with us. He's 22. All right. And we, I don't know, I think we both felt trapped because we couldn't really hang out with anybody because we didn't wanna get sick and we didn't want to get anybody sick by accident. And so we would go on hikes every morning about...
13:09five miles from where we lived. And one of the funniest things is we started doing it in like end of April 1st, part of May of 2020. And this hiking area was state land in Minnesota. And it had this hillside that you would basically like S curve down to get down to an old building that people used to live in. And you couldn't go in the building, but it was a really cool old mansiony kind of building was really pretty.
13:37And the hillside was right in the sun in the morning when we would go and come to find out garter snake baby season in Minnesota is May. So the first time we were walking down the hill, there were all these little snakes crawling across the warm tar. And I'm not afraid of snakes. Garter snakes are harmless. They stink if you hold them too long, but they're fine. And he's a fanatic. He loves amphibians, snakes, whatever. So
14:05To our pleasure and surprise, there were all these little snakes. I was holding snakes, he was holding snakes. There were no cell phones or tablets or anything. We were literally just in the moment of discovering baby garter snake season in Minnesota. It was so fun because he was 17, I think, at the time. That's awesome. Just watching him be five again was amazing. So
14:34I am a big fan of getting outside, getting in a nature and just seeing what is presented to you and taking that moment to drink it in because it might not come again. Yes. And so how old are the kids? How young is the youngest kid who signs up for camp and how old is the oldest kid? We have two age groupings. So it's ages four to seven and then eight to 11.
15:01We have a couple sibling groups where they're like slightly on the edge of one or the other. And so we've worked with the families to enable their kids to come. So we're talking kids. We're not talking teenagers. No, not yet. I'm working on that. I'd really love to have a program in the future where we can have older kids come out and learn.
15:26really just comfort with various tools and the ability to like mend fences or just have some actual skills that come from manual labor because they're really beneficial. And you can learn a lot about yourself doing hard things. Yeah. The reason I asked about the kids' ages is because those ages are perfection for discovering the world. Yes.
15:51You must have such a good time watching these kids discover things they had no idea existed. It is so fun. I think what I love the most is watching the parents remember. Because our preschool class is not a drop-off class, so the parents come with. And watching the parents see their children's curiosity gets...
16:19barked again is so beautiful. With our homeschoolers, some people drop off, some people stay, we're good either way, whatever makes you happy. Our homeschool kiddos, they, COVID was extremely life altering for them. So if you think of like a child who's seven now, I mean, they were three when COVID happened. And...
16:47that amount of isolation and just fear. Like everyone was kind of bathed in fear there for a bit. And our kids bear the marks of it much clearer, I think, or it's much more obvious than the adults. We all have kind of learned ways to like hide our crazy, I feel like, but kids don't have that and it's a wonderful gift. So it's been fun to kind of show them like, no, you can get dirty and that's not bad.
17:16And you can actually be a little bored because then you might ask a question to learn something. Like, let's learn about the world around us. Let's be curious. And that's the thing I've noticed more than I would have thought. With our kids who were toddlers in COVID, they're very wary of curiosity and questions. They're much more fearful.
17:45than what I remember my kids being, I guess. Huh. Yeah. I haven't really been around any small kids since before COVID hit, so I would never have known that that was a thing. Well, it's been fascinating to observe. So my oldest, who is almost 19, she is also a dance teacher. And both of us have... And then my...
18:1116 year old, my almost 15 year old, they babysit kiddos. And it's something they've noticed that they're like, we have to kind of teach these kids that the world itself is actually not scary. Like you can take a step off of a ledge, you know, like take the step off the deck or whatever, and you're gonna be okay. Like jumping on the trampoline is not the end of the world. Like it's, what I would think of is just like regular.
18:38childhood type things, there's just a lot more fear. And so that impacts how we talk in our house, how we interact with other people, because we as humans don't do best when we're constantly surrounded in fear. We need to focus on the good, focus on the joy. It's always there, it's just sometimes you have to hunt harder. Yeah, huh. I hadn't even thought about that impact on small kids with COVID, because I just, I wasn't around any. Yeah.
19:08then. All my kids are adults. They're all grown. So yeah, I wouldn't have had any experience with that. I, hmm, that's kind of terrible. I'm really glad that you're doing what you're doing to maybe bring them back to being able to be kids. That's great. It's so fun. And I don't want to leave out my youngest. My youngest is 13. He's the only boy. So we've got three girls and then dude.
19:32And they're actually already out of school for the summertime. And so they've been helping me teach farm school this, this may. And it has been so much fun. I, my wish is for every parent to have the opportunity to work side by side with their kids in an area they excel in, that their kid excels in. And then you can, you can learn from them.
19:55and they can teach you how to do better. And it's just, it's a beautiful thing. So this is, I think, gonna be my favorite summer of like my entire life. Well, good. It's always good to have something to aspire to. That's a beautiful thing to aspire to. I have not worked side by side with my three oldest because I had one later in life when I was 32.
20:21And so I was very busy still in the trenches of diapers and then body training and then trying to get him to eat food, which actually wasn't that hard. I shouldn't say that he was the most adventurous eater of the four. But the youngest actually is living with us and helping us on our homestead. And I was watching him and his dad work together on building the heated greenhouse that is almost done. We're within days of it being finished.
20:50And watching those two work together was just the most entertaining thing two weekends ago. I was like, they're exactly like each other and yet they are so different. So I understand the working with and I get to work with them when we're cooking together. So that's fine. It's kind of really, I shouldn't say it's kind of really, it really is very satisfying and makes me really proud.
21:20of this kid and I'm proud of the other three too, but this is more working together as adults than working together as teenagers. That's awesome. Well, I'll have to get pointers from you on the greenhouse because that's the next big project on the land for us to do. I don't have any pointers except that you can find plans for greenhouses online that
21:48that will give you an idea of what you want, how big you want it, whether you want it completely open on the inside with the rafters exposed, that kind of stuff. And then basically you're building a frame out of wood. And then the backside is like the corrugated metal sheeting for the back wall and the back roof part. And the rest of it is that polycarbonate plastic stuff so that light can get in.
22:18So you're basically making a box. And I didn't have a hand in any of this. The only thing I did was I wrote the grant application to get the funds to be able to build it. That was my contribution to the greenhouse. I wrote the thing. Which is a solid contribution. That's beneficial. Yeah, I wrote the thing. They said, yes, here's the money. And they said, you must spend all of it by the end of April on your...
22:45supplies to build your greenhouse and I was like I am more than happy to do that. So really, I don't know, do you have somebody in your family who is good at building things? Yes. So my primary role is not building. I'm normally the feeder of all the people. So I handle that. But my husband's very mechanically minded and he and my mom and dad work really, really well together.
23:13So they typically are the ones that handle the different building things. So mom and dad built our chicken tractors and they've been throwing ideas around for what they want to do for the greenhouse. But mom is the gardener, so she's like the final say on exactly how it looks and what she needs. So they just have to work together. Yeah. Yep. It's genuinely not.
23:41that hard to build a greenhouse. The hard part is the up and down the ladder to get the roofing pieces on. That makes sense. And neither my husband nor my son are very good with heights, so they really had to knuckle down and just do it. And they trade it off because my son does not like heights and my husband doesn't like the wobble of the ladder under his feet. And so basically he would do some.
24:08And then my son would do some and then he would do them. My husband would start again helping out. They would trade off on being up and down the ladder. And both of them at the end of the day, they were like, I can't face that ladder again tomorrow. So they did the side parts and then the following weekend they did the roofing. They finished the roofing so they didn't have to do ladder climbing two days in a row. Well that makes sense. That sounds reasonable. Yup.
24:35their thing and I don't blame them. They're not my thing either. And the greenhouse is only about 20 feet tall. It's not like it's, you know, 10 stories or anything. But they figured it out and it's looking great. And I think it's going to be finished at the end of the day, Monday, Memorial Day, I think. Oh, that's exciting. That's very exciting. Yeah, but I certainly could, I could have my husband.
25:02scan the drawing that he did and I could message it to you if your husband wants to look at it. Oh, that would be amazing. They're always on the hunt for what we need to do next. So we were fortunate when we bought this property, there were quite a few different structures on the land. We just have had to repair and replace roofs and that kind of stuff. Sometimes the tricky part when you inherit...
25:27different buildings is that they're not actually what you need. And so you have to figure out, do I want to repurpose it? Is it worth saving? Is it worth taking completely apart and then using those materials in a better way? So we just had to go from one building to the next to try and figure out what we wanted to do. Yeah, I understand. We have a one car garage to the
25:56It's got to be at least 50 years old. I bet it's 60 years old, the one car garage, because it's just wood with a rolling door that goes up into the ceiling. And it's not big enough for a car. I suspect it was probably for a carriage at one point. And then they redid it for a car. And cars were small back in the 80s. A lot of car models were very small, so it fit.
26:23And so it's become the wood shed because it's still fairly dry in there and water doesn't pull in front of it. So that's our wood shed. It's not a garage. That's awesome. Yeah. When I first saw it, I was like, oh, this would make a great writing studio. Cause I write sometimes and I thought that I would be doing that, not podcasting. And it just, it was so beat up that my husband was like, I
26:51we're going to have to redo the whole thing if you want this to be an actual writing studio. And it's going to cost about $10,000. And I was like, no, no, no, wood can go in there. That'll make an excellent woodshed. I'm good. Yes, that works both. And so instead I do a podcast and I sit at a prefab desk with my five-year-old computer and my brand new monitor. The monitor died, so I had to get a monitor. And I talked to people about what they're doing instead.
27:21it's really fun. Well, that's really cool. That's hopefully in the future, I will be able to write. That's always been a dream. I've just always been running around a bit too much to write. Yeah. And I'm going to say it again. I've said it a couple of times on other episodes. Writing is, it's like wonderful once you've done it. The actual writing part, I could live without the pen to paper or the fingers to the keyboard.
27:51I could, I just skip that. That would be fine. And you can't actually write anything without those things happening. Writing is painful. I know there are people who don't think it's painful, but for me, it's painful. When I'm in the zone and I know what I'm trying to write and the words are coming, it's amazing. But that blank screen or that blank piece of paper that you start with is the most frightening thing ever. Yeah, I would agree with you on that.
28:20But with the podcast, I just say, hi, how are you? What do you do? And people talk to me and it's like, this is great. I love this. Well, that's good. Then you found the right spot. Exactly. And I get to learn so much from everybody I talk to. I have gotten so many secrets and tips about things that I have been doing my whole life that make the things I've been doing my whole life easier. Oh, that's awesome. It's amazing.
28:49I love, love, love your farm school idea. I talked with a lady a couple weeks ago. Her Facebook page is Independence Gardens. And her organization that she started, they go to schools and they put in gardens for the schools so that the kids can learn about gardening and if there's enough produce, they can use it in their school lunches.
29:18Oh, that's so cool. And so the reason I bring it up is because you are feeding the kids souls with what you're teaching them. And her program feeds their souls, but also feeds their bodies. It's really neat. That's awesome. That's really cool. I love how many different people have had ideas and been able to share things with others. That's been really cool. I have enjoyed.
29:47having people taste goat milk and like it. That's like my favorite part regarding the tasting things at the farm because a lot of people have had like farm fresh veggies and farm fresh eggs and that kind of a thing. But I would put our goat milk up against anybody's and people actually like it. So it's a good deal. Yeah. I love goat milk cream. The cream from their goat milk is amazing. Yes. I agree. I agree.
30:16We're experimenting with ice cream, which is really good. Even the first iteration, which was not amazing, was very good, so we're on a good track. Do you have one of the old fashioned ice cream makers, by any chance? Well, no. It's a plug-in one. So my great uncle had one of those old ones, but a cousin got it, not me, so.
30:45You should keep your eyes open and see if anybody's looking to get rid of one or if you can get one for cheap because that would be a super fun thing to do with the kids. Yeah, with the goat milk. Yes. Oh, that would be so... I can remember making fresh strawberry ice cream at a family reunion that we went to when I was like 10. And the guy...
31:12that set it up, he'd been making it forever. And one of the old fashioned ice cream makers with the rock salt and everything. And his brilliant idea for the reunion every year was to have all the kids take a turn turning the thing. Oh, that's a good idea. So that we all had a hand in making the ice cream. And I can remember doing that and just being like, I can't believe we made ice cream out of milk and sugar.
31:38It's a really cool feeling. That's a great idea to find one. I'll have to go hunting. Yeah, the kids would probably love it. And then you've got their snack all made and they made it. And we're good to go. Yeah. All right. Well, Whitney, this went really fast. We're already at 31 minutes. Wow. Okay. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me and good luck with your camp.
32:03Oh, thank you. And thanks for reaching out. It's always fun to talk about things you are thrilled about, you know. That's much easier to talk about than the wretched stuff. So this was a lovely time to talk. You're welcome. Thank you again. Have a great day. All right, you too. Bye.
 

Goose Ridge Soaps, LLC

Today I'm talking with Kim and Janice at Goose Ridge Soaps, LLC. You can also follow on Facebook.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Kim and Janice at Goose Ridge Soaps, LLC. I do not know what is wrong with my tongue this morning. Good morning, ladies. How are you? Good morning. Doing well.
00:26I'm good, except I hate it when I screw up the intro. It makes me mad. It's fine. It's always like goat rope. So which sometimes is accurate. Well on that note, my dad used to call people from the Midwest goat ropers. And he and my mom live in Maine. He's always lived in Maine and I live in Minnesota. So I am technically now a goat roper or a flood lander according to my dad. So go figs.
00:56All right, so tell me about yourselves and Goose Ridge Soaps. Yeah, well, Janice and I met a number of years ago in a different part of the state. So we're both Marylanders and we met in Western Maryland, which is a good two hours or so from where we had lived previously and where we live now. We were really into, or still are, really into kind of outdoor stuff, the homesteading type things, learning new skills.
01:27stuff our ancestors did that we've kind of all kind of sort of forgotten how to do, which is a shame. So there was a outdoor women's weekend where you do all kinds of things. You're doing everything from basket weaving to kayaking to fishing to trap shooting, archery, all kinds of just cool outdoor stuff. And she and I both attended this weekend, did not know each other. And I was actually in the process of selling the house I was currently living in and moving
01:56an hour and a half south and found out where I was moving to. That's where Janice was from. And we were going to be living a half, a half a mile, quite literally apart, which was hysterical. Um, and both being into the same types of outdoor activities and stuff like that. I mean, we just instantly became friends. So when I moved down to my new house, I had a built in friend already and we would get together and do stuff. I kept bees. So we would.
02:25We made canned applesauce. We got the honey from the beehives. We would go pawpaw picking because there was a pawpaw stand in the woods, a secret place near the river. We both lived at that point near the Potomac River. So we would do all kinds of fun things together. And one day I had been using.
02:48natural like real soap with lye and fats and oils like the old fashioned stuff. I just just had started using it didn't realize that it was a different feeling than what you buy in the store. And I thought, well, how do you make this? And I started researching and I called Janice up and I said, Hey, let's make soap. I got all the stuff. Come on over, bring a bottle of wine. So yeah, we
03:17She came over, we decided we were going to do this and we made a whole bunch of real soap that summer and gave it away as Christmas presents to friends and family that year and kept some for ourselves of course. But what we quickly found out was that other people, the people we gave the stuff to, they didn't realize there was a difference between real soap and commercially manufactured things that you bought at the store.
03:47everybody commented on how it was, it felt amazing on their skin and oh, you guys need to sell this and all that kind of thing. And at the time I was working full time, Janice was a stay at home mom who was, who was also house babysitting other people's kids and working part time doing stuff. So we were both really busy and we just kind of made it as a hobby and sold it on Facebook just to pay for ingredients. So that's kind of where it started.
04:17And then in 2019, I met my husband and I moved from Southern Maryland up to where we both actually live now. So a year later, Janice and her family sold their house and moved five minutes away up here and we decided to get the band back together and make our hobby an actual business. And so we formed our LLC in April of 2021. And it's been kind of a...
04:46you know, a whirlwind ever since. So that's, yeah. Okay. So your story defines, um, um, coincidence and serendipity. Oh, totally. Every step of the way. I, we, that's how it's sort of worked out for us. Yeah. It's been, it's, it's been interesting. Everything that that has happened with our business since we decided to make it a business, everything is just really,
05:15fallen into place when it needed to happen at the best time for us. And we've been really blessed in that respect that things have happened. And if things haven't happened, it's because we weren't ready for it yet. And it's been neat. It's been really neat. Okay. So are you guys like the only game in town for soaps and salves and things, or do you have competition?
05:41I believe we're the only ones that are doing it exactly how we're doing it. There are some other natural soap makers in the state that are a little bit bigger, that have been around longer, but we seem to be the only people that are – we're teaching soap making classes in the community and I don't think anybody else is doing that. We like to educate people and do things like career day at some of the local schools.
06:11We are in a lot of the local retail stores. I don't think anybody, there's some other small soap makers that are doing it at farmers markets as a hobby mainly. There's somebody, there's a company that's up in Hanover, Pennsylvania. They have their own facility, their own retail space and everything up there. Pretty large, but they're still just local. They don't reach outside, to my knowledge. They don't distribute in any.
06:39stores other than their own, but they do the same type of thing, the natural soaps. What's really nice is people are starting to realize that stuff feels better. And so there's a lot more soap makers coming on the scene, which I think is fabulous because people really didn't know or weren't paying attention, maybe. I'm not sure to what they were putting on their bodies. And people have found that getting back to the...
07:06for lack of a better word, ancestral formulations of things. You, nine times out of 10, fix a lot of the problems you experience. People who have eczema, oh, I break out when I use this, I go, and they go to the dermatologist, they get all these steroids and medications, and sometimes it's just as simple as getting rid of all the synthetic stuff and using something natural.
07:29You know, one of the things that we like about our brand in particular is that from the get-go, we have always used animal fats in our soap. And that is not something that most people do. We find most, not everybody, but the majority of soap makers we see, they're plant-based. They're using plant-based oils and butters. And as we kind of have seen lately, tallow-based skincare.
07:58stuff that's got animal fats and it's making a big resurgence. People are realizing, wow, this actually feels really so much better than anything else. And we've been doing it since we started as a hobby seven or so years ago, we've been using lard, animal fats. And we appreciate people who are vegan, who don't want to use those products, that is absolutely their choice. And we commend them for sticking with what they feel ethically and
08:27strong about. There are a lot of other soap makers who do make vegan plant-based soaps. We're just not one of them. I think that is what makes our brand stand out a little bit. Yeah. That's also all of the local soap makers that we have met for the most part. Everybody plays nice in the sandbox, so to speak, because everybody does it a little bit differently. There's plenty to go around. Most of us see each other as collaborators and friends, and we bounce ideas off one another.
08:55It really has been a refreshing kind of not really a super competitive thing. Yeah. I mean, like she said with the vegan soaps, there are people out there that do that. And when we have customers that express a desire for vegan soaps, we can refer them to those people. We try to use natural colorants, for example. There's other soap makers that like to do more artistic things with brighter colors. That's what someone's looking for. We refer them to those people.
09:25Yeah, it's a collaboration more than a competition really. Very nice. I'm impressed because I'm going to say this again, women tend to help each other up, help each other move forward. And I don't know if all the soap makers or whatever are all female, but women, women tend to want to be part of a community and lift each other up. So it's not, like you said, it's not a
09:53competition, it's a collaboration. Right. So, where do you guys source your ingredients from? Oh my, good question. Because of the size of what we're producing now, a lot of our ingredients come from bulk suppliers of oils and butters and things like that. But, the goat milk and the cow's milk that we use in our soap, we source locally. So we have two
10:23people who raise dairy goats that we get our milk from. I have goats, but they're all weathers. So, you know, milking them is a little awkward. Just a titch, yeah. Just a little bit. So we have two people that we source goat milk from that are in within probably 30 minutes of us. And then the cow's milk, the majority of it comes, my younger sister has a Jersey hobby, if you will.
10:51And she's a veterinarian. She has a practice in Pennsylvania, which is not that far from us. Um, cause we're up in the Northern kind of area in Maryland. Um, so the majority of our cow's milk comes from her. Uh, but in a pinch, my neighbors are dairy farmers. So we, we get that locally as well. Um, the, I'm trying to think some of the herbs and things that we use, like the comfrey, the calendula, some of the botanicals, lavender buds.
11:20Oh yeah, jewelweed and cornflower, if we've had enough of it. My farm is 45 acres, so a lot of that we either grow or we forage for at my place. And the jewelweed, we go every June or July and we go get jewelweed while it's still pulpy down in the woods and we...
11:48macerate that and use that in one of our soaps for poison ivy. So we try to source things as locally as possible. The Lardy even now, we have found a couple of local processors to where, I mean, it's a byproduct of an industry that exists anyway, so why not support a local industry instead of buying it from, you know, a big manufacturer or something like that. So we try to source as much locally as possible. Definitely. Can we, can we, I'm going to...
12:17Jewelweed. I love jewelweed. I'm so glad you brought it up. Oh, yeah. I live in Minnesota and my husband and my son have been trying to get the gardens in, but it's been raining every other day here. Yeah. Yeah. Six inches of rain between yesterday afternoon and this morning. Wow. We've had a wet spring here too, like really wet spring, but geez. Yeah. It's a big mud puddle out there right now.
12:46But getting back to why I want to talk about jewelweed, I had made some jewelweed bombs two years ago, maybe three years ago, and stuck them in a Ziploc in their lip balm tubes and they're all sealed up and whatever. So I have like, bleep tubes. And pulled one out last year because we had some wasps hanging around and jewelweed actually helps with bee stings. And so because it's been so wet,
13:16We've had an insurgence of mosquitoes this spring. Husband and son were out working outside the other day and my son came in. He's like, do we have any jewelweed sticks? And I thought it was funny. He called them that. And I said, we do ones on the shelf in the kitchen. And he grabbed it and rubbed it all over the mosquito bites. And I said, does it help? And within seconds he was like, Oh, the itch is so much better.
13:44us if it helps things other than poison ivy and we also put camphor in the jewelweed soap so we're not really sure if it's the jewelweed or the camphor but people will ask us but then we have other customers that come back and go oh this works for everything that itches so that's interesting that's interesting yeah and the other thing is if you make it into a balm it moisturizes your skin where you might have already scratched yeah I love it new product do it do it
14:15Thanks for that idea. The other thing that I do with jewelweed, and I lost my source a couple of years ago because we had been in a drought the last three summers and jewelweed wants its feet very wet. So I finally found a neighbor who had some jewelweed and she was like, come cut it. I don't do anything with it. I was like, oh, thank you. Jesus. Thank you. And so last August, I think it was my...
14:43My husband cut me a whole bunch of stems and I cut them up in pieces and I let them soak in almond oil, sweet almond oil. Oh, okay. I have a quart jar full of jewelweed sweet almond oil in my dark pantry right now. I will be making more. But the good news about that is that you can just use that oil too. I don't even have to make it into a stick. I even tell people if they want to go forage for it.
15:12smash it all up. We this is what we do when we're going to make the soap we cut it we we harvest it when it's still pulpy because it's it's when it's still pulpy and the stems that's what's really got the good stuff in it. So we tell people to harvest it up when it's pulpy about the size around of your pinky and cut it into pieces. And then we steep it in a tea in distilled water and then siphon out or not siphon but um
15:37Strain. Strain. Thank you. Strain out solids and then we pour it into ice cube trays and freeze it so we always have it. But then we tell people, do that. Pop an ice cube out, rub it on whatever, put it back in the freezer. And if people don't want to mess with the oils and stuff like that, it makes it really easy. Plus the ice cube just feels good anyway. Yeah. I'm so glad you mentioned jewelweed because I haven't really talked about it on the podcast with anyone because I keep...
16:04forgetting that it exists, number one, because it's such a back of my hand thing. Right, right. And someone brought up crocheting like three weeks ago and hadn't talked about crocheting either. I was like, because I'm so close to the things that I do, I don't think to say anything until someone brings it up. Right, it's muscle memory. People being aware of jewelweed has really gotten better over the last couple of years, because when we first started making this soap,
16:32the majority of people had never even heard of it. Lately, a lot of people have heard of it. People come to us going, I heard you are the ones that make the jewelweed soap. Do you have any? It's just hilarious. You know, it's nice though. Yeah. I did an essential oil last summer and I can't for the life of me remember what I blended together, but I called it Bug Off. Oh yeah. Because it does, it really helps with the mosquitoes and the
17:00the gnats and the noceums and the blackflies. And somebody read the label and just laughed. And I said, it's not to keep people away, it's to keep bugs away. Yeah, we had somebody tell us recently that our lemongrass soap works really well as a bug repellent. And I said, huh, never thought about that. Never thought it would stay on your skin long enough. Once you wash, never thought that it would linger long enough to make a difference there. But they...
17:29They claimed that it really helped repel bugs. I was like, okay, that's a bonus. Yeah, I love lemongrass. Lemongrass is the best essential oil ever for an actual lemon, true lemon scent. Yeah, yeah, very true. And it sticks better. It's funny you bring that up. We use lemon and lime and lemongrass in soap making and the lemon and the lime, anything that's a citrus.
17:58essential oil, it doesn't stick well. It doesn't hang around well. So there's things you have, little tricks you have to do to bind it. So we'll use like kale and clay and make a slurry with the essential oils and let it sit. And then we use that, that slurry to, as the, when we put it in the soap batter for the fragrance, because it'll help hold it longer. But yeah, that was,
18:23It's very strong and I love the smell of it. Janice loves the smell of it. And, you know, it helps kind of give it that little extra kick when you need it too. Have you guys used the sweet orange oil for soaps? We have and again, it doesn't hold. So we were starting to get like the 5X concentrated stuff, but the price of everything, as you probably noticed, olive oil, everything is getting out.
18:52outrageous. So, and 5X orange essential oil is almost priced itself out of the equation. So we're going back to using a slurry with the kaolin clay to hold that orange and switching back to the sweet orange because it's less expensive. It's not as concentrated, you know, so you either need to use more of it or you have to find a way to get it to stick in the scent. It doesn't change the profile of what we're doing at all, but you definitely have to use some tricks to make it work.
19:22Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I don't I don't know a lot about making soap my husband and I started doing it years ago because like you were saying It feels different than store-bought soap and I got itchy from store-bought soap and I said, will you please can we please make? Cold process lye soap because I had bought a bar From someone who made it and loved it. And so we're not we're not experts we just kind of play at it when we make it mm-hmm and
19:52I found a peony fragrance oil. It's not an essential oil, it's a fragrance oil. And it's really weird because the fragrance oil is usable in soap, but it's also usable in candles. So this weekend, my husband was at the first farmers market and a woman and her 10-year-old daughter walked up to the table and they were smelling the peony candle. My husband had actually brought some real live...
20:21blooms from peonies to sell. Oh, wow. And the little girl was smelling the peony candle and he pointed toward the bucket with the peonies in it and said, smell those and tell me if the candle smells exactly like those. And she of course walked over, picked up one of the peonies, sniffed it and went, oh, it smells exactly like the candle. And I thought, oh, thank God. Yeah, right. Yeah. Sometimes things go sideways. Yeah. And then she was intrigued with the flowers and her mom was like, do you want a flower?
20:51And the little girl said, yes. And so she ended up buying a peony stem for $5. And I thought, man, peonies are a dime a dozen here in the Midwest, but he just sold a peony for $5. And that's awesome. Point being is that you can make things smell like the actual thing that they're supposed to smell like.
21:21Yep. Yep. We found, you know, we use predominantly essential oils to scent our soap, but Janice tells people this all the time. Sometimes you can't quite get what you're trying to do with just essential oil blends or the essential oils you have to use are so outrageously expensive. Nobody's going to buy a $40 bar of soap.
21:45The one I always like to explain to people is in the fall, everybody wants a pumpkin spice soap. There is no pumpkin spice essential oil. So the only way you're going to get that is with a fragrance oil. We just try to use good quality fragrance oil. Yeah. Yeah, us too. And we made a mistake. We made soap with a pumpkin spice fragrance oil that wasn't soap safe. Oh no. So we have like 14 bars sitting on the drying rack in my bedroom.
22:15that are basically a year old and they don't smell like anything now. So they're probably going to end up going in the trash. Right. That's heartbreaking, isn't it? Yes. But my bedroom smelled so good when they were first curing. My bedroom smelled like pumpkin spice. I was like, I don't even love pumpkin spice, but this smells really good. When we used to make the soap, we started out in my kitchen.
22:43down in Southern Maryland and all the soap would cure at my house. So I never needed air fresheners. And then when we both moved up here, we were making the soap in Janice's basement at her house. You'd walk in the front door and could smell it. And now we're in our own shop. And people walk in and go, oh, it smells so amazing. We don't even smell it anymore. Yeah, it's totally nose blind. It's funny. And in order to smell something, we have to step out. We have to carry something outside.
23:11and smell it because otherwise it just doesn't register for us anymore. It's, you know, it's kind of funny. And when we leave, we'll, we'll smell our clothes will smell like the shop and we get people stopping us all the time. Oh, where did you just come from? You smell amazing. It's a little awkward. Well, at least that you smell amazing and not you stink. Right. Well, that's true. It could be worse. We could work for a septic company. Yeah. But it's so so. Or at a hog farm. Yeah. Just to do that.
23:40Yeah. Okay. So clearly you guys love what you're doing because it's just ringing through my headphones. Oh, we do. Yeah, for sure. Good. Because part of the reason I wanted to do this podcast is because I wanted to talk to people who love what they're doing. And pretty much everybody says they do. Yeah. It's well, for me personally,
24:07I'm a really, my brain is a very creative brain. So I always have to be learning something new, trying something new, creating something. And Janice is this always wanting new knowledge. She's always wanting to have a different experience and learn something. And so this worked really well. And we just got to where we loved doing it so much and it just kept growing legs. You talked about the serendipity earlier.
24:33Every step of the way, it just got a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger and it wanted to go this direction or that direction. So we just let it. It was never about making money. It really wasn't. We were just selling it to support our habit. We enjoy what we're doing and it's also nice at our ages to be able to just work for ourselves. Yeah. That's big. Yes. It's a lot of work and it's a lot more hours.
25:02but there's something to be said for being your own boss. Yeah. There sure is. There's lots to be said for it. And I keep going, why did I retire from my, you know, nine to five and do this full-time two years ago? Now it's 24 hours a day, but it's when it's something you're passionate about and that you really, really love, it doesn't feel like work, honestly. It doesn't. And you can't stop thinking about it. I actually had my first anxiety dream.
25:32about the podcast the other night. And I've been doing this for nine months now, I think. Wow. First anxiety dream ever. And it was that I had overbooked myself and had five interviews scheduled for the same hour time slot. We can identify with those anxiety dreams for sure. And just raging intrusive anxiety thoughts all the time. Yeah. We can identify.
26:01Yeah, but if we didn't care, probably wouldn't have those dreams. So it shows how much we care about what we do. Yep. And we've even like, one of the things that was really important to us was what Janice touched on earlier, teaching people about the difference between what we're making and what you're buying on Amazon or at Walmart or anything like that when you're just going in and plucking something off the shelf and you turn it over to go read the ingredients and you have to have a decoder ring.
26:31And so it was really important for us, and it still is, to just educate people about what these ingredients are, what they do, just because it's synthetically made does not mean it's evil. You know, we want it, we stress that. It doesn't mean it's evil, and you're not bad if that's what you use. It's just understand what you're using and how your skin or hair could react to some of those ingredients. And if you don't know what those ingredients are,
27:01how can you know how it's affecting you? And so between teaching hands-on classes in the shop and then every other week we do a soap lady chat, we go live on our Facebook and it's an educational piece where we talk about deciphering labels, we talk about natural ingredients that we use in our product. Like we just did one about marshmallow root. You wanna talk about really cool herbs and things to use. It has great.
27:31benefits for your gut health, it's got great benefits for your hair. So we put it in one of our shampoo bars that we make. And we talk about those kinds of things, why we use it, how you can use it, and the fact that it's something you can go out and you can either grow it or forage for it. We just think that's super cool. And we like to teach people. And one of the things that I really like about the classes is just the range of the people that are taking classes. For example,
27:58Some people might just want to do it as a very minor hobby for just for their household. And that's okay. They don't have to get super into the science and the math and the technicalities of it. And then other people really want to learn as much as they can and formulate their own recipes. And I like that it can go to either end of that spectrum. It's not for any just one group of people. It can be for the whole range.
28:28Yeah. Absolutely. I love the fact that all this making stuff allows you to be as in-depth and as creative as you want to be. Yeah. Yeah. You can take it every which direction. And that's when we first started learning, we were just copying other people's recipes, just getting used to.
28:53the process and people get really, and we were this way, people get really weirded out and really scared when they start mixing and playing with lie. I mean, that's a scary thing. And so we like to be able to do that with them and they get comfortable where they're like, okay, this wasn't as scary as I thought, you know, everything on the internet tells you, oh, it's this, it's that, it's so, it's so caustic. Yeah, it is for sure, but you don't need to be scared of it if you know how to handle things properly.
29:20And so when we first started, we were just using other people's recipes to get used to how everything moved, how everything worked, you know, get used to the technique itself. Then very, very quickly, the creative brains took over and decided we needed to really start playing with our own formulations. And then you start learning about chemistry. That's super fun.
29:44You know, and it's been neat. You know, we go, oh, let's make something that has these properties. What oils can we use that'll give us those properties? And you start researching all the different oils and all the different additives you can put in to get something that feels a particular way for your face, your body, your hair, you know, and then you test it. That's the fun part is when we do testers. Experiment. And then, yeah, and then we give it out. We'll test it on ourselves.
30:11We'll give it to people and go, what do you think? Give us some feedback. That's really fun. I like that part. Yeah. I love that part too. And even if we're not going to sell something, I always end up sharing something new that we made with friends. Cause I'm just like, try this. Let me know what you think. Yep. We've done the same thing. We're, we're working on a couple of different recipes and we're working on a tallow soap and we made a bunch of different.
30:38iterations, different formulations that Talos open. We've just been handing it out to our friends, go and tell us what you think. Here's the three different recipes. You come back to me, tell me what you think of each of them. You know, and, and we've had recently had a woman who's asked us about making the purple shampoo bars for gray hair. So we're going to start the process of formulating that using 100% natural stuff. So, you know, no
31:06no synthetic color dyes or anything. We're going to figure out how to do that with things like alkanet root powder or purple clay to see if that actually makes a difference in gray hair and brassiness. So it's solving a problem. I don't know. It's fun to noodle it out and see what you can come up with that's natural to solve the problems people are coming to you with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to watch and see how that goes because...
31:33I have been going gray since I was 14 years old and I'm about three quarters white and a quarter black now. Wow. My sister, my younger sister is totally gray. I've got a little bit through my temples. I don't know why I'm not as gray as she is. She's three years younger. She's totally gray. So she's definitely going to have to test this shampoo as well. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. And because my hair that is going, quote unquote, gray, is actually white.
32:03It's really interesting because when I wash it, you know, when it's just washed, it is snow white. Wow. And my parents took photos of me at the family, well not the family cemetery, but the cemetery where my grandparents are buried. Back in 2014, we were there visiting. And I was standing in the sun. And I swear to you, it looks like I have a halo around my head.
32:32because that white hair just reflects all the light back. I remember this older woman, her name was Alma Robinson. She went to my church when I was a kid and she had the most beautiful snow white hair. And she was an older woman. And I'm not saying, I was a kid and she was 30, you know? Yeah, yeah. Perspective. But she was probably in her 80s and had the most, and I used to sit there in church and just hope.
33:01that when I got older, my hair was that pretty. I used to love her hair so much. Oh, like you said, it was like a halo, it just glowed. It was beautiful. I loved it. Yeah, I really wish that mine would just finish transitioning because this pepper in a lot of salt is not great. I'm not loving it. But eventually I'll be old enough that it will all be white. There you go, yeah. I have my dad and my dad's mom.
33:30to thank for this because my dad's mom was going gray very early. Oh, wow. And then my dad had a patch that started really early. And then when I was 14, my friends kept leaning in while they're talking to me to pluck a white hair out of the streak that was coming in. And I'm like, just leave it alone. And they were like, why? And I said, because nine more grow in for the one-year poll.
33:58Its friends will rally. Yes, please don't pull them. Leave them be. Because if I pulled every white hair I had, I would have had a inch wide streak across the top of my head from, I don't know, 18 till I was about 40. Wow. Yeah, neither one of my parents went gray early, so I'm not sure where it's coming from with my sister. It's got to be somewhere in there. But yeah, I just...
34:24I hope that when everything starts to change with my hair that it's going to be as pretty as Alma Robinson's hair was. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you a secret. Pretty becomes not as important once you get over 50. Well, we're both. I'm over 50. Janice, close. Okay. Being clean and being presentable is awesome. But that whole got us spruce up to go out in public thing.
34:51It's, I don't think it's as important. I think that you, you need to be presentable and you need to be kind. That's what I think. Yeah. I agree with you. We're barely presentable most of the time. I guess. That's not so important, but I just want my hair to be, I don't know why I want my hair to be snow white when I'm older. I have no idea why. And I like winter. Well, if you perfect the shampoo bar, you'll be all set. There you go. Perfect.
35:20Perfect motivation. Yeah, why not? All right, ladies, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. And I love that we got to talk about. Thank you for having us. Love that we got to talk about jewelweed and shampoo bars and lye soap and all the things I love. Yes, thank you so much for having us. It was fun. Yeah, it always is. I keep hearing from everybody, this was really fun. And I'm gonna toot my own horn. This is really fun to do.
35:50I really do love talking with you guys. Yes. I've listened to a good many of your previous podcasts. You definitely really enjoy it and it's nice. It's fun to listen to. Good, because I would hate if it sucked. That would make me very sad. Yeah, very true. All right. Have a fantastic day in Maryland. Thank you. You have a fantastic day in Minnesota. Okay, thanks. Bye.
 

Alternative Roots Farm

Today I'm talking with Brooke at Alternative Roots Farm. You can follow on Facebook as well.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Brooke at Alternative Roots Farm. Good morning, Brooke. How are you? Good morning. I'm good. The season's off to a great start. Good. Tell me about what you do.
00:25Yeah, well, our focus at Alternative Roots Farm is on certified organic apples and other perennial fruits. Well, we have about 1,500 apple trees. We also have apricots, raspberries, cherries, plums, blackberries. And when I'm thinking spring in the orchard here, also asparagus and rhubarb. We have some pastured heritage breed hogs, some purebred Gloucester old spots.
00:55And I do some herbal wellness products and grow greens in my deep winter greenhouse, which is a passive solar structure, and bedding plants in there as well, which it's the season for that. It certainly is. We are doing the same thing right now. I have, I think, 30 basil seedlings sitting on my kitchen table right now that need to go out to the greenhouse.
01:24But I was worried that the cold would burn them. Because our greenhouse is not heated yet. It will be in the fall, but it's not heated yet. Yay. Yup. So I have a couple of questions for you right off the top of my head. If you're growing all that fruit and you're trying to be sustainable, and I assume not use terrible things on your trees or your plants.
01:53What are you using for your apples to keep the bugs off of them? Yeah. So that's a big, huge question. And we've definitely evolved over the years. This is our 13th season and we expanded our orchard seven years ago. Um, so from the get-go, we transitioned to be being certified organic. And so we follow all, all organic practices, but what does that mean?
02:22You know, that doesn't mean that we don't spray anything, but we are selective about what we use in the orchard. Now, at the very beginning, we tried to be, I want to say just like too organic. Um, we tried to just do nothing and that does not work if you want to make a living. Um, so we really focus on.
02:45kind of a permaculture take in the orchard. We want a diverse understory. We've got comfrey planted and we're trying to continue to build that. But we do use organic sprays. My husband John does degree day monitoring, which is a... I'm not going to explain the whole thing, but it's tracking the high and low temperatures to monitor pest.
03:15life cycles or like the life cycle of scab and other bacteria and fungus that might be an issue in the apple orchard. So we're making sure with what sprays we do use that we're targeting it at a very specific time to maximize the benefit and not spray anything additional that doesn't need to be sprayed on there. So we do use some organic insecticides.
03:44We, for certain pests, but then like for coddling moth, we use a virus that is specific to that pest. So, we're being very specific as to which things we're trying to target. Some people like to spray like copper in the orchards. For scab, we prefer to stick with a sulfur. You know, that's a naturally occurring element. We just try to minimize as much as possible.
04:17Okay, you mentioned comfrey. What does comfrey do? Oh, great question. This is one of the biggest questions I get when people come out to the farm, because you'll walk out to the farm, you'll see all these big, beautiful plants with these big purple flowers underneath the apple tree rose. And that was kind of the start of our diverse plantings in the understory, which we're kind of kicking back into gear now. Comfrey has a diameter of like...
04:46three-ish feet. And it is a big hairy leaf, large-leaved plant that's basically like a living mulch under the apple trees. So I grow a variety that is not self-seeding, which is important. And basically it flushes up with these big nutrient-dense leaves. It's a very nutritive plant several times throughout the season. And then that mats down and just creates
05:15a green mulch. It outcompetes all the grasses and everything. So it acts as a living mulch. It breaks down and feeds the soil and feeds the apple trees. And then it has a very deep taproot, like 20 feet. So it brings up water and nutrients that the trees can't access. I also use it to dry it for teas and infusions for myself. And I make herbal infused oils out of it and use it in my herbal salves.
05:45Um, so it, uh, it feeds, feeds us and the trees.
05:54I had no idea. I'm so glad that I'm talking with you. We have apple trees. We have, I think, 20. There's like eight in a row on the right-hand side of our house and there's a bunch over on the far left part of our property. We spray neem oil on the baby apples when they come and they start.
06:22And we did that last year and we actually got apples. But I'm going to have to look into the comfrey idea because I didn't even know that that was a thing. It's really fun. And I completely forgot to mention that bees and bumblebees and everything love it. So yeah, it's great for that. And we've started transplanting other flowers, even like extra onion plants, violets. And we're looking at putting more like herbs underneath the trees and stuff as well.
06:53Okay, so it's to bring in the pollinators, it's to make a natural mulch, so that's awesome. Okay, I had a question at the beginning too because you said something and now I can't remember what my question was. Because again, you guys get talking and I listen really intently because we are baby homesteaders. I keep saying baby as an adjective to what we're doing because...
07:20We know just enough to get started, but we're not that far down the road. We've been here almost four years and we knew a little bit about a lot and a lot about a little bit. So every time I talk with you guys, whoever I'm interviewing, I'm trying to make notes in my head from my husband, who is the avid gardener, because he's always like, what do I do about this? What do I do about that? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm not the gardener. I don't do this. You do this. So.
07:50Whenever people share information with me, I turn around and share it with him and then he goes and studies. So Yeah, yeah Here like John could give you a lot more details about all the sprays and stuff like that cuz that's like his department But I know like the general outline and some of the details but Yeah Yeah, so how did you guys come to be doing this? No, it's a it's a fun story. So
08:19We went in college a billion years ago and we were living up in Bemidji, which is where we went to college. We moved back there and we were both, we both went to school for environmental things. We were working in the conservation field. We had a big garden. We had some great friends who had an organic CSA, vegetable CSA, and we thought, you know, it'd be really cool if we did this in like 10 years.
08:46Uh, 10 months later, uh, John got a call about his old job opening up. We moved back down here and started the farm. Um, so sometimes you just got to put it out there in the universe, I think. Uh, so that was 13 years ago. We started as a organic vegetable CSA farm and transitioned to focusing on our apples seven years ago. And we've just kind of evolved since then. We added the passive solar winter greenhouse. Um.
09:16in partnership with the U of M. And I started doing winter farmers markets. And over the last few years, I've really expanded on my herbal wellness items. That's kind of a passion of mine. And that ties into the holistic care of our orchard and taking care of, you know, we wanted to get into this because we were in the conservation field, but we wanted to actively put conservation on the land. We want our land to, you know,
09:46be better than we found it and be a habitat for all sorts of critters and um, birds and all that. And, um, yeah, here we are today. And it's been quite an evolution.
10:03Yeah, it's amazing how that happens. Where are you guys again? Sure, yeah. So we are in- What time? Technically we're in Medelia. We're kind of like halfway in between New Ulm and Medelia. We have an on-farm store located at our farm. And we do that all year round. And then we do the Mankato Farmers Market starting in August when apple season kicks up. And we do that, I do that all winter with the winter greens.
10:32Um, and I should mention five years ago, we started a second business because we have a lot of apples. Um, so we also make hard cider with our brand tall grass cider, and that's kind of available in the, in the region here, not a single apple goes to waste. I, I bet it doesn't. I love hard cider and I love mead. They, they are the only two things that I drink that are a treat.
11:02and that I can't get my hands on very often when they're made really well. There's a guy in Prior Lake, I can't think of his business right now, Gluey something, G-L-E-W-W-E. He has a thing every summer, like one Saturday a month they open up their place and he makes mead as a hobby. He doesn't sell it because he doesn't have the liquor license to sell it.
11:30Yeah. But he let us try some of his blackberry mead and oh, I wish that he had a liquor license because we would be buying it in the summer. But hard cider is wonderful because it's like fizzy apple cider that can get you drunk if you drink enough of it. And I don't enjoy being drunk. I haven't enjoyed being drunk in a very long time.
11:56But I do like the first glass because it makes you very warm and fuzzy and relaxed. I like that part. Yeah. So hard cider is a wonderful drink. Yeah. And for those who are gluten-free like myself, it's a fantastic option. And we use all of our organic apples and some other select local apples. We forage for...
12:21Forge, for and grow some of the other fruits that go in like aronia berries and raspberries and wild black caps. So it's fun to bring all that together.
12:32That's very nice. I'm so impressed with what you do. I wish that when my husband and I had been in our 20s, we had known each other. We didn't really meet each other until we were 26, I think. And I was married to somebody or I was going to be married to somebody else. I can't remember now. But it doesn't matter. We just were not at the stage where we were going to be ending up together at that point. And I wish we had known where we would end up.
13:01because if we'd known we would have ended up, maybe we would have done things differently and gotten there sooner, if that makes sense. Yeah.
13:10Yeah, it's kind of a bummer. We missed out on the best years of our lives because we hadn't hadn't found each other yet. So, Well, as a fruit farmer, we continue to ripen well every year. Yeah, like fine wine. Yes, exactly. Um, okay. So do you have people come in to the
13:37to your property and visit and do you give them tours or is it just they can buy things at your property? We give tours on occasion, organized tours and we are going to have a farm tour coming up in June. We have another event here in July, sowing seeds, celebrating local foods and lost skills, which is super cool. This is our second year doing that event.
14:03And, you know, sometimes when groups contact us, we arrange tours, but it's all arranged ahead of time, but our farm store is open five days a week and people can come there on their own. And there's usually chickens wandering around and pigs on pasture and, um, you know, whatever else is going on seasonally. So that's kind of how we do that.
14:29Okay, so I have a question because a lot of people who are doing what you're doing offer events or tours or whatever to get people to come in and visit and see what you're doing. And so my question is, when people come and they don't really know about farming or gardening or homesteading or anything, is there a light bulb that you see go on with them when they've been there a while?
14:57Yeah, I mean, I've definitely experienced that over and over again. It's neat to see, you know, they didn't say, oh, I didn't know that grew that way. Or I didn't know we could grow apricots here or just seeing pastured animals, you know, in a different system or whatnot. Or with that event I mentioned, we did, we had a lot of homesteader type folk.
15:26attend and be part of the farm tour and say like, Oh, I didn't know you could do so much on such a small space. Because we only at our home farm here have 4.6 acres. And we have over 400 fruit trees here. And then we have another 10 acres that we manage, which is where the remainder of our apple trees are. But we do a lot on our little postage stamp here.
15:52I love seeing that happen and I love seeing that with adults and with kids, you know, getting to experience that stuff. Okay. Well the reason I ask is my brother is an English professor in Massachusetts of all places and we were talking a while back, like maybe five years ago, and I said as a professor
16:22teach and see that that light come on when someone gets a concept or realizes that they wrote something really beautiful that they thought was just mediocre. And there was like a good 30 second pause and he said, that doesn't happen. No. And I said, what do you mean it doesn't happen? And he said, he said, sis, it's, it's college. He said,
16:46He said, it's not the same as elementary school when kids are learning things for the very first time. He said, he said college people tend to be slightly more jaded because they're adults. And, and I felt so bad for him because he just, he sounded so sad that there isn't that light bulb moment. And I don't know about you, but I live for watching people grow and learn. And so I said that my
17:16I said to my brother, I said, you might want to find a different profession. I said, because it's making you this sad. Are you going to be able to sustain this career? He was like, it's paycheck. He said, and I actually love what I do. So yes. And I said, okay. Well, that's important. There is something, yeah, there's something amazing when something that you're doing sparks an idea or joy or happiness in somebody else. Yeah.
17:46Yeah, you know, I really am passionate about like teaching people about preservation and just some of these lost skills, some home setting skills, whatnot, you know, making tinctures, making salves, gardening, that builds a resiliency in our community and gets us engaged with working with our hands.
18:15because I think that's something that is kind of lost in our society today. Is that like a deeper sense of purpose or whatnot that comes with doing some of those things? And I just think those are the kind of things people, I see people craving, especially just more so in the last number of years that they want that experience. And I think
18:41that leads to light bulb moments and exciting feelings.
18:51Just those human connections. Yeah, and it leads to wanting to learn more. Yes. When I started cooking from scratch, I didn't know what I was doing. I made cookies from scratch. I was like, oh, these are pretty good. What else can I make? Then I did cake. I was like, huh, that's pretty cool. As I got...
19:18further and further into cooking, it branched out into like dinners or I don't know, just more, more and more and more. And I learned that cheesecake is not a gourmet specialty. Anyone can make a cheesecake. But I thought that it was a special magic thing. Up until I made one and I was like, oh, you put the ingredients together and you put them in the oven and you cook it. That's how you make cheesecake.
19:48So, I think that people think that it's hard to learn how to do these things that you can just pay someone to do for you. But it's not hard, it's just you have to want to learn how to do it. Yeah, yeah, you just got to do it. And that can be a really hard thing to see depending on what place you're in. But then, kind of when you go over this hump sometimes, it's like, oh, yeah, you just have to try. And you just have to fail sometimes.
20:19Um, have you ever heard the term limiting beliefs? Uh, I think we, we tend to put a lot of, yeah, we tend to put a lot of limiting beliefs on ourselves and you probably told yourself like, I can't make cheesecake or I would say to myself, like, I am not a baker. Well, you know, I'm going on three years making sourdough because I just like. Decided to throw that limiting belief in the trash and try and burn a few things and, you know, whatever, but like.
20:48It feels good and you get somewhere. Um, and you just, yeah, you just gotta try and get your hands dirty. And not everything. I'm going to say something that. Go ahead. Oh, no, you go ahead. I was going to say, I'm going to say something that probably sounds counterintuitive, but there is actually something really satisfying about completely screwing up the thing you're trying to make and then throwing it in the trash.
21:17and thinking, I can try again. Yeah, with a clean slate. Or when you do that and you try again and you go, oh, that's what I did wrong or something like that, you know, and it just like, you have these little clicks, those light bulb moments, right? Yeah, yeah, I made something like 15 years ago, I made something, I put it in the oven
21:47one of the kids needed something and I completely got distracted from the thing in the oven. And they got my attention before I had set the timer on the stove. And so I never set the timer. So I was dealing with whatever emergency was going on with one of the kids and I could smell something cooking and I was like, I got to check that. And I didn't until it smelled like it was burning. And I was like, well, dinner's ruined.
22:13And I went out in the kitchen and I pulled it out and I put it on the top of the stove and there was no salvaging it. And I was like, okay, this was not my fault this time. And I just let it cool down and I think we had peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that night because there was just no other plan. And once whatever was in the pan cooled down, I literally scraped it into the trash and thought...
22:42good riddance, it was not supposed to happen today. And I wasn't upset, I wasn't angry, it was just one of those things. And when I threw it in the trash, I was like, that's okay. Sometimes things just need to go in trash. So I tried, I failed. It wasn't necessarily because I did anything wrong, but kids come first, obviously. And so we just, we have to keep trying and we have to keep moving forward because if you don't...
23:11and you don't move forward, you might as well not be alive.
23:18At least that's what I think. That's so true. We feel that a lot in the farming universe. That's why we sit down every year and say, what worked? What didn't work? What do we need to throw in the trash? Where do we want to evolve? I think that's just a metaphor for life, but we find it really important on the farm as well.
23:46Yeah, and who knew how important weather would be regarding growing things? I don't know how you guys did last summer, but boy, last summer was rough on everybody regarding weather. Yeah, you know, last year wasn't too bad for us. You know, there is something nice to having perennial crops. Um, and
24:13Apples will start setting, fruit will start setting, fruiting buds in the fall. Weather in the fall is important too as far as moisture goes and whatnot for us. When we have dry years, things tend to be, the seasons tend to be a little compressed, which can sometimes, when four weeks of raspberries come in three weeks, it's like a bust in your bud.
24:38Some things did not size up as much as they were, but like that's also something I guess I can say I enjoy about the job is every season's a little different. You are learning all of the time. I mean, sometimes it can be really difficult, but that's also what the human experience is about, I think is continuing to learn and grow. It doesn't feel good to be stagnant.
25:06So I feel grateful that last year ended up okay, pretty decent. This spring was what made me more nervous but it all panned out.
25:19Yeah, and this past winter was insane. I cannot believe we got through the winter with like a foot of snow. That was it. We didn't even get our snow blower out, which is ridiculous. But I mean, it kind of made up for the last winter because there was so much snow. It was ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot two winters ago.
25:45I'm hoping that this week of rain that we have coming and is raining now here, is going to be okay for the tomatoes and the cucumber babies we just put in. My husband planted over 150 tomato starts this past weekend. Wow, that's great. He also planted radish seeds and green bean seeds. I was like...
26:14Are you going to be mad if those seeds rot out because it's going to be really wet this week? He said, nah, he said, I'll just put more in. I said, okay, good. At least the radishes have a quick turnaround.
26:28Yeah, I put my tomatoes in, but I didn't fully mulch them. So hopefully they won't stay soggy because we have kind of like a clay loam, heavier soil. We'll just see. Yes, the battle cry of farmers everywhere. We just have to wait and see how it goes. I've said before on the podcast that I am...
26:57I am absolutely not a gambling girl. I don't like to gamble with money or time or anything else. I really, really want to know what my odds are and I want to go for the best odds possible. And so when my husband was talking about us finding a place that wasn't in town to move to, he said, I want to have a big garden and I want to do this and I want to do that. I want to do that.
27:25I want to do this." And I was like, you're talking about a huge gamble. And he said, well, yeah, but life's a gamble. I said, I hate gambling. He said, he said, the house will always win on this one. I said, I don't believe you. I don't believe you. And he said, okay, he said, let me, let me rephrase it. He said, it will be worth the risk. I was like, okay, I guess we can go with that. So.
27:52What I'm trying to get at here is that anyone who gardens or farms, it is always a gamble. And you can't be afraid if you want to live this life. And I'm not afraid of it, I just don't enjoy the gambling part of it. I prefer to refer to it as an experiment. It sounds a little more exciting than a gamble.
28:19All guard. And it is an experiment. Brand experiment. Yeah, yeah.
28:25It's a grand and glorious thing no matter how it turns out. Well, and I just, I mean, it's so great that you are gardening and homesteading. I think I see more and more people.
28:39you know, reaching to that or growing a garden or just trying to be a little bit more self sufficient and sustainable, whether it's out of a desire to, you know, get dirty, get their hands in the ground, just try to make something for themselves or if it's because of inflation or supply chain issues. I just see more and more people heading towards that experiment and it just makes me really encouraged.
29:08Yeah, and I'm really happy that people who are living in towns who only have a little tiny bit of space to grow are at least trying to grow something because that's the gateway to, oh, I can try these things and these things and these things and they grow and they learn. So we're right back to the growing and learning thing again. There you go. Yeah. And if people want to get into foraging and...
29:36preserving, canning, drying, freezing, whatever. They don't even have to have gardens, but to get connected to the farmer's market or a local farmer, there's many, many, that's what I love about it. No matter every single farm and every single homestead and everything, it's like thumb prints. We all have our unique way of doing it and you can do it however fits you. So if you really think gardening isn't your thing, you can still.
30:05get your hands on all the fresh goodness or do preservation or do some sort of urban homesteading or something like that.
30:18Yeah, and it's a good thing to keep our dollars local. And I say that as someone who used to go to the farmer's markets and buy from the local farmers because we didn't have room to grow as much as we needed. But I also say it as someone who now has a farm stand on property and someone who sells at the farmer's market because our bottom line relies on people buying our things as well.
30:46So it's a really nice circle. And if you can't grow, you can support your local growers. And if you do grow, you can provide it to the people who need it. Exactly. So important. Right back to that resiliency and connection piece, because our communities are just really important.
31:14Yeah, and our communities tend to be our friends and our neighbors, and we want everyone to thrive and rise with the tide. And apparently the tide right now is locally grown food, so that's awesome. Yes. I grew up on the East Coast, so anytime I think of a tide metaphor, I'm going to use it. All right, Brooke, well, I try to keep these to half an hour, and we're at 31 minutes and 30 seconds.
31:44two seconds. So I am going to cut you loose because I'm sure you have lots to do considering it is springtime. And thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for reaching out, Mary. If you ever, if you need anything in follow up, just holler.
31:59Yep, and don't actually leave me because I need the file to upload. So don't go anywhere when I say goodbye. Thanks so much, Brooke. Have a great day. You too. Take care. Bye.
 

Lazy Ass Acres

Today I'm talking with Kendra and Louis at Lazy Ass Acres. You can also follow on Facebook.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Kendra and Louis at Lazy Ass Acres. Good morning, guys. How are you? Good morning. We're doing well. How are you? I'm great. Where are you? We are in Noonan, Georgia.
00:25Thank you. I'm in Minnesota. It is a bright sunny day here. What's it like in Georgia? It's warm. I saw that you saw the northern lights last night. How was that? It was amazing. I've never seen them in real time before. We didn't know anything about it, so we didn't make it outside to look. So we don't know if they'll be visible tonight, but we'll definitely try to check it out. I know some people...
00:53south of us, they saw it too. So yeah, it's unheard of to see it that far south. So I hope you get a chance to see it. The thing we learned last night is that our eyes don't see all the colors of them, but if you take a photo with your cell phone or with a camera, the colors you don't see show up in the photos. So that was really neat. That's cool. That's, oh.
01:19Yeah, really, really beautiful. And Facebook is filled with photos this morning from all over the place. It was so neat to see it all. All right. So tell me about yourselves and what you do at Lazy Ass Acres. So, um, just a little bit about us. We've been married for 34 years. We have two kids, we have two daughters. One is 27 and one's 30, both grown professionals doing their thing.
01:49We have always had a small-ish garden, even if it was just tomato plants and pots, we've always grown something. But we just decided, like, over time, to grow, I guess. We started out with a small garden, then we got a few chickens, then we got a few more chickens, then the garden got a little bigger, and then we've added. So, just continuing to grow our homestead and continuing to...
02:17do everything we can to be as self-sufficient as possible. And how is that going for you? Like what percentage would you say you're at on self-sufficient? We're pretty high. I would say, based on how little we bought from the grocery store, I would say we're about 80, 85%. So I guess just before
02:46COVID, we became empty nesters. And so we started applying our free time, our family time to the garden expanding. And we just live on a small lot here, about just over five acres. And it was all wooded when we first moved here. And so if you looked at it from Google Earth, it pretty much looked like the Unabomber lived out here. It's just, all you could see was a rooftop and just trees everywhere.
03:15So we've just been etching out more and more ground space and the soil over here is just horrible. It's just Georgia red clay and rocks. So we started on just raised bed containers and just making our own soil using a horticulture method. And then we just
03:40realized we could put that stuff on the ground and amend the soil there and it worked out great. We had moved our chickens around on top of the last year's garden bed and they fertilized and turned it and we just kept doing that. And we make our own compost. We bring in about, I'd say about 10,000 pounds of manure and hay and straw a month and then we turn that with some fresh greens that
04:10local organic market. They give us our scraps every week. And it can be between one to 300 pounds of fresh greens, lettuce, and all those leafy greens. And so we feed that to our animals, and then we add some to the compost and turn it about every week, get all those nutrients in the soil. And that's really been a game changer for us.
04:37Yeah, you can't grow anything in clay. It doesn't matter if it's the gray clay that we have here in Minnesota or the red clay you guys have in Georgia. Clay does not grow anything. So yes, composting and amending the soil and chickens are a miracle creature. I do not love chickens. I'm going to say it loud and clear. I don't love chickens, but I love what chickens do and what they provide for us.
05:07Yeah, they do a lot for us because we grow, we harvest our own meat birds once or twice a year and we get the eggs and everything is used on our chickens because like I said, we harvest the meat. When we do that, all the feathers go to a compost pile. The innards and stuff, they go to a compost pile. The dogs get the chicken feet.
05:37When we're done with the meat birds as a meal, we use the bones to make bone broth out of it and then we take the bones out of that, dehydrate it, and then crunch that up and blend that with egg shells so we make our own bone meal that we give to our birds and use as fertilizer. So it's zero waste.
06:03Yup, exactly. That's why I said chickens are a miracle critter. They give back more than they take, I think, sometimes. And I'm going to say this again, it is not necessarily inexpensive to raise chickens, but if you can make the return go as far as it can, it takes some of the sting out of keeping chickens. Exactly. You're 100% right.
06:33say something about it and then I forgot it because this is what I do. I get listening and I forget what I was going to say because what you guys tell me is so interesting. We have chickens and we don't utilize them as much as we should because we're actually way lazy ass farmers. We just don't and we should but we don't and I have to think about that and talk to my husband about it because I'm like that is really smart. And our chickens are not meat chickens. They are laying hens.
07:02So they're probably not going to be real good to eat, but they probably might make really good chicken stock. So I need to talk to him about that when we can narrow down which ones are giving up on laying eggs because we've got 18 chickens and we've been getting like 10 eggs a day for the last two months. So. Well, that's good. I couldn't tell you exactly what our headcount are on the chickens. I'd have to say.
07:29Probably about, well, there's probably 35 outside between three chicken pens. And then we have some in brooder we just moved outside. And we have some turkeys and we have some ducks. We have some guineas. We actually just had one guinea hatch about 10 minutes ago. So we're in panic mode trying to get that one in the brooder and get the other ones off the eight turners before. We had a two-bar here. Yep.
07:57They hatched a few days earlier than we expected or started hatching a few days earlier than we expected. So we had to figure out what, you know, just switch gears a little bit there and get them, get the breeder ready. I would say we probably have 50 chickens, 50, 55 chickens. But we still have three incubators going right now. We do actually really like chickens. Yeah. Isn't it great when nature surprises you and the babies come early?
08:25Yes, I love it. I just would like to snuggle and like hold a little tiny babies when they can come out of the incubator and they're so cute. Are they really soft once they dry out from the wet? They are very soft. And fluffy. But most of our birds are egg layers. So we just special order some Cornish Cross from Hatchery.
08:54once or twice a year, grow them out for eight weeks, and they go to Camp Kenmore. They end up in the freezer. Yep. Yep, that's a good place for them. So are you guys doing this just for yourselves, or are you sharing or selling with your community? Well, mostly for ourselves. We share with the family. We do have customers, regular customers for our eggs, and we occasionally sell.
09:22some of our birds, whether they're the guineas or some chickens and quail and rabbits also. We just had a small litter of rabbits born last week. So we do sell them mostly as pets. Yeah, I saw the pictures of the babies. They're very, very sweet. Yeah, they just opened their eyes a couple of days ago. Yeah. There is little cuter than...
09:52There is almost nothing cuter than a baby bunny. I know, that's so cute. We have learned. Mostly for ourselves. And we just, you know, we talk to people or they ask us questions on social media or in person about what we're doing. And we just don't realize how deep we are into being so self-sufficient.
10:20because I had a coworker ask me about bone meal. He saw the video of us making bone meal and used that as fertilizer. So I had to back up and explain to him where the bones come from that we harvest our own chickens and we crush up our egg shells from our chickens and then the compost is our compost that we make here on site. And so it's all, I don't wanna say it's a closed circle just yet.
10:49But we're trying to get there. Yeah, we are not. We are not even close to a closed circle. We need to work so much harder at this. OK, so do you guys have any other animals besides the chickens and the guineas? We have two, I would say, pigs, but I think they're hogs now. They're about 450 pounds. I'm trying to think in our feeding order. We have two hogs, Dottie and Daisy.
11:18I think we have three, no we have four turkeys. We're trying to breed, in the turkey pen we have about three that we're trying to breed. Like Kendra said, we may have between 40 and 50 chickens. We have a couple of pecan duck and we have I think about five rabbits and probably about 20 quail.
11:45and about eight guineas. I think the guineas are our favorites. I love the guineas. Everybody complains they're so noisy, they're so noisy. And they are, but they also have just like crazy personalities. And when they're not squawking and being really loud, they make this really sweet little peep that I don't think is precious. But they are so fun to watch because they just have, they're like little clowns.
12:13just some of the silly things they do. And they're just entertaining. And they're also good watch pets, because they let us know if somebody's on the property before the dogs even know. Yeah, I keep hearing that. Our dog is like the most phenomenal watch dog ever created. So I'm not too worried about getting guineas. But my question is, the guineas lay eggs as well, yes? Yes. Correct.
12:40And how big are they compared to like a chicken egg? They are just a tad smaller than a chicken egg. Their egg shells are harder. So like I said, we just had some hatch, started hatching today. But as far as eating them, they taste no different than chicken eggs to us. But they, Kenra said it, I think she nailed it right on the head when she said they're funny. They look like little clowns running around the yard.
13:08And they're so fluffy and when they run, they look like they have little Flintstone feet underneath their big bodies. All fun. That's cute. Yeah, she said people complain that they're loud. Not our neighbors, I think general consensus. You either love them or you hate them. They can be noisy, but they make, like she said, good watchdogs. They alert when there's a hawk or a snake or something on the property that's not supposed to be here.
13:39And, uh, but they're, ours are not skittish from us. They actually will follow me around the property to each feeding station, wanting something. They'll follow us to the pig pen. They want some pig feed. And they'll follow us to the turkey pen and see what we're feeding them. They don't want to miss out on anything. Well, no, that'd be terrible. Yeah. Spoiled rotten. So they know they're going to get a treat at every, every animal station we go to. Every, every time somebody gets fed, the guineas get a little bit too.
14:08And they know this, so they just follow us around. And they're also not scared of our dogs, which the dogs don't bother them, but they'll kind of follow the dog around too, like just say, oh, what's he finding? Is he gonna find a treat for us too? Oh, funny. Huh, I didn't realize they would do that. Okay, so are you guys going through the cicada craziness that's going on in other states? We have some, it hasn't been an outbreak down here.
14:37Um, but we have noticed some, and I was wondering, um, if the chickens have taken up on them, but, um, not, not so much, not, not crazy crazy. What about you guys? No, we don't, we, we're not in the right state for that. We're too far north this time. Oh, okay. And kind of glad we are too far north because I sort of remember a while back, we had some cicadas that, that came out. Not, not like it is right now, but.
15:07but some. And I know that they're harmless and that they don't sting and they don't really bite but they're creepy looking little things. And my 22 year old son who still lives with us, he's like, I wish it was happening here. He said I would be collecting the shells. I said, for what? He said, I don't know. I'd figure out some way to make it into a sculpture. I was like, okay, I'm kind of glad they're not here. So yeah, it's, I've been, I have new friends that I made from.
15:35interviewing them for the podcast and they have cicadas everywhere and they have a social media channel that they do on YouTube and one of the women is making things out of the cicada shells and I'm like, oh, it's really cool but gross, no. I was reading an article, they're actually edible too.
16:04Yeah, I don't. A lot of things. I jog a lot of eating bugs. I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I'm good. I don't really need to try a new taste sensation. I'll pass on cicadas. Okay, so your adult children, are they in on the farming and stuff or are they off doing their own thing? One lives in state. One is out west and she's fixing to move this side of the world. But when...
16:32When the youngest one is home, she's very hands-on. Last year, she helped butcher the hog. And also, I think last year, she helped, if not last year, the year before, with some of the meat birds. So they do like coming over and helping when they're around. I think when she gets a house that's under property, she will definitely be more.
17:01Like she, right now they live in an apartment, but I think she will, she wants to have a garden. She tries to grow things in pots. I definitely think ideally she would love to have a small, if not a farm or a home set, at least a garden and a couple of chickens. And our oldest daughter who lives just a couple of minutes away from us, I think- She gardens. She pots. Yeah, she gardens and she like does, bakes homemade sourdough and things like that. But I don't know.
17:30I don't know how she would feel about the chickens. She likes them when they're little babies, but I don't know that they would fool with like raising them, but definitely she gardens and I think eventually she'll garden more. Yeah. I feel like we pass this stuff down to our kids. My stepson lives in Nebraska and they just moved to Nebraska from Arizona back in December. And part of the reason they left Arizona is because he could not garden.
17:59in Arizona the way that he can garden in the Midwest. Right. And he is so excited. He was weeding out a patch yesterday. He's got a spot for his garden set up. I think he's putting in seedlings and seeds today. And he's been talking his dad's ear off about his garden for this year. And it is so, I don't know, satisfying and amazing that he's so excited.
18:29into this and he learned it from us. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, that's what and that's kind of like... What's on about Granny Grannity? The things with, you know, that we like to pass down and my grandparents who basically who I got the love of gardening and growing food from, they grew up in very in a very rural area and then in the 50s they moved to the city of Atlanta. Well, they were sure college. And they always had a garden.
18:58And so growing up, they moved to Atlanta, but then they built a garden in the backyard. So they always had, they were always growing things, but they grew up, their parents were sharecroppers. So they have grown up farming, that was all they knew. So they passed along the love of growing food, even on a small scale, they always grew a huge garden. We always grew up eating fresh foods. And then my mom did it.
19:25a little bit, but not as much. It kind of skipped a generation. She wasn't as interested in it. And then when Lewis and I bought a house, like that was one of the things that we were excited about was planting flowers and trees and growing food and having a garden. And then we've been fortunate enough that our girls have, to some degree, become interested in it as they've gotten older.
19:50Yep, I think that it's a wonderful trait to pass down. My mom's parents had a beautiful garden in their little town, in their house, in Oakwood, Illinois, of all places. And I know for a fact that both of my grandparents' parents were farmers. So it's been passed down through my family from at least four generations ago. And uh...
20:19I used to love to get my hands in the dirt and get my shoes dirty and plant stuff. And as I've gotten older, I'm not as into that part, but my husband is a gardening fanatic. So he grows the produce and I cook it. So I think we have a good split going on. That's how we are too, a little bit. I grow the garden, but Lewis is the cook in the family. All right. I grow it and he cooks it. And then
20:47He's more hands-on with the meat processing than I am. So we kind of share the responsibilities and the chores. Yeah, I think it's really good when spouses or partners or whatever the relationship is, when you both know what you're good at and what you enjoy, and it's complimentary to the other person. Right. It really makes things easier.
21:15Okay. So how come it's named lazy ass acres? That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know if I have a good answer for that. Okay. As a comedian and a jokester and like things quirky and funny. Yeah. I think it was a little bit of a smart aleck. Yeah. I think it was just a whimsical name I came up with. You know, a lot of people, they name their.
21:44farm or their ranch and they have, you know, they have their brand where it's bar A or something. So I was just trying to use my initials, LA for something. And so I just saw a picture of a donkey and I said, well, let's go with lazy ass acres. I don't want to call it necessarily a farm. Everyone has a different definition of a farm or homestead or a ranch. We just call it acres. And I say we're on a homestead, not a farm.
22:14feed ourselves and feed our family for the most part. But yeah, it's just a whimsical name and it's contradictory what we actually do. I mean, we really work our ass off here. There's never any idle time. Yeah, that's what happens when you have acreage and you decide you want to make it go. We discovered that when we moved to ours almost four years ago, because I was always busy.
22:43in town in the little house that we had. And I was raising four kids and doing my thing. And I was always cooking or cleaning or helping with homework or kissing Owies or making sure people were bathed. And when we moved here, all the kids had full in the coop except one. And I'm still busy. I'm still making sure that there's dinner on the table and there's still clean laundry and that the kid who's still here hits the shower at least every other day because, you know, boys are stinky.
23:13but we're always busy with something, but it's good busy. It's fun busy. Yeah, it's fun and productive. It's gotta be both. And a lot of times it's therapeutic to be outside. I just can't, I turn on the TV maybe on Saturday when we're sitting down to eat dinner. I don't watch TV during the week. I'm outside doing something with the animals or doing some more infrastructure with the homestead.
23:41So it's therapeutic to be outside and in the real world and not in this digital world that a lot of people choose to live in. Yeah, and with all the news that isn't great, you're probably better off not staring at the TV all day. Right, and that's the thing, because when COVID hit, everyone was trapped. They were trapped inside and they were restricted on what they could do or where we go. And I felt we were just in our little bubble. We just really...
24:10didn't feel that effective. Now when we were in the public, we took our, you know, necessary precautions or what have you, but we still had, you know, our property here. We could go outside and garden and be with the animals and walk around and all that. We really didn't feel like we were restricted much. Yeah, we were still living in our little house in the little town before we moved here during COVID, and we were lucky enough to have a lot of state
24:39parks and land near us. So my kid and I would get in the SUV and drive to the park and we would just go for long walks because no one was around. It was fine to be outside and not have to worry about masking up or any of that. And we did more walking during COVID than I think we'd done in five years because it just felt like we were trapped. So we just would go escape and hike.
25:09My job closed down for either six or eight weeks and I was at home, but I still had animals to care for and garden to tend to and we stayed busy. And when I come home from work now, it's usually about seven when I get home. But because we have daylight for so long, I come inside at dark. For the most part, I come in, change shoes and clothes and go out and I'm in the garden until dark. And I like it that way.
25:39It's like a decompression for me to just go work in the garden. Yeah, I don't know if you were aware, but yeah, we both still work full time, 15, 60 hours a week, respectively, and then still do what we do here on the homestead. Yep, my husband works 40 to 50 a week and he's just go-go when he gets home on the gardens right now because that's the time of year it is. Yes. So, yeah, I get it.
26:08That was the thing I was gonna say. Oh, part of the reason that we moved when we did is because we were really packed in tight with our neighbors and during COVID, it was really hard being surrounded by people, but not being able to be around people. And we had planned on moving anyway when the opportunity presented itself and it just so happened.
26:36that 2020 was when we could do it. The best part about living on acreage is that you can just do what you want to do and your neighbors aren't right there being like, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? And if you have people in and they say, what are you doing? They're probably actually curious. They're not like looking down their nose. Right. We have...
27:05We're slowly opening up our property. We had over 200 trees cut down in our front yard just to try to gain some ground and grow some grass. And about the same in the backyard, but now you can see more of our property from the street view. Yeah. We sit back off the road. Yeah, we sit a good bit. And our neighbors who take a walk around the neighborhood, they can see.
27:32some, not necessarily construction, but a lot of activity up here. And so they came up one time, it's like, wow, I didn't realize y'all had done so much to the property. It's really opened up and grown. And, you know, we see what a lot of activity up there with dozers and tractors and stuff. But yeah, like you said, you can do what you want on your property and, you know, have that freedom.
28:00Yeah, that's the best part of this is that you don't have to deal with city codes and regulations and stuff. One of the things that we do have to deal with here is county stuff. We are in the end stages of getting a heated greenhouse built. My husband and my son are building it. It looks awesome.
28:25Yeah, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully most of it will be done by tomorrow evening. But we got halfway into the build and I was like, oh, I didn't get ahold of the guy at the county about a permit for this because if you're putting up a structure and it's over a certain amount of square feet, you have to get like a setback thing and you might have to get a permit because it's too big and you have to have a permit for a certain size.
28:55And I called the other day and I was like, we're halfway into the build and I just remembered to get hold of you He said that's okay. How big is it? And I told him he was like and where's it going? because we had had something we put in a shed for our farm stand a couple years ago and I said it's bigger than the shed and he said okay 50 bucks. Oh wow for the setback thing and he didn't have to come out there and do any inspection or anything just
29:23No, no. And what really kind of tweaked me a little bit is he said, he said, I will email you the form and I will email you a photo of your property and you can just circle where it is printed out and circle it and email it, you know, scan it and send it back to me. And he sent me a photo, an aerial photo of our property that is within the last six months. I was like, holy crap.
29:52Okay. Yeah. It's weird. Go ahead. We've I know we've like looked at just like Google Earth or whatever. And it's like so creepy that like anybody can just see what's on your property. Just by Googling it. Yeah. Yep. It just, I don't know. Like I am a terribly private person. If I am in my home or in my yard.
30:22I expect a certain amount of privacy. I saw that photo come through and I was like, oh my God, we could have been outside naked. And not that we ever are, but we could have been. We could have been. Uh-uh, no, this is not cool. I don't like it. I don't like it, it bothers me. But it made it very convenient for my husband to circle on the picture where the greenhouse is going to be. So that worked out great.
30:52losing and privacy we're gaining inconvenience, go fig. But anyway, so yeah, there are still regulations and rules that you have to follow as a citizen of the United States when you're going to do something on your property. But as you get bigger properties, the rules and regulations become less.
31:17So that helps. Yeah, you're right. Yep. But anytime the city or county can make a few dollars off of you, though. So just for that permit, what have you. It's OK. $50 is doable, and it's totally worth it to us. Absolutely. I saw pictures of the greenhouse. It looked like it's going to be awesome. We will be sharing more photos on Facebook of it when it's done.
31:45And the plan is to have some raised beds in there so we can grow radishes and leafy greens. And we're going to try carrots, but I don't know if it's going to work, starting in October and growing into December, hopefully, because it's going to be heated. Because we got asked by a school if we could provide leafy greens, radishes, and carrots for salads for their school lunches. That's awesome. That's great.
32:12You can't grow that stuff here without a heated structure. So we ended up getting a grant and that's what has paid for the materials to build the greenhouse. That's awesome. Yeah so I'll be posting pictures and my husband wants to next spring do the hanging flower baskets. He wants to start them and we will sell hanging flower baskets at the local farmers market and we've never done that before. That's a great idea.
32:41So all kinds of excitement going on here at the tiny homestead place. Yeah, we follow you. And I saw your little helper up on the rafters on the greenhouse. The kitty. Yeah, that's Chirp. Her name is Chirp. Yep. She, I met her for the first time when she was about four hours old. Cause she's the baby, she's from the first litter from our barn cat last September.
33:11And the first noise I heard her make sounded like a bird chirping. And I was like, that's it. You're chirp. Your name is chirp. And her mama's name is floof. F is in Frank. L O F F floof. Cause she is a puffball. She has the longest hair I've ever seen on a calico cat. Really? So we have floof and we have chirp. And we have, and we have Satan. Satan is the black barn cat and he's mean.
33:40He's mean. That's why his name is Satan. I hear you. We had two barncots. Sue, one is she's gypsy's old. She just showed up one day. Like I looked out the kitchen door and she's sitting on the door about like, would somebody let me in? So we tried to see if we knew if, you know, she belonged to any of the neighbors and she didn't. We live on a dead end street. And I think people probably dump animals more often than we realize around here. Yeah. We just started feeding her and she stayed. And then.
34:09Um, our other barn cat is black and his name is just barn cat. He, um, he was a rescue. Somebody found him injured and sickly and got him healthy and the needed to rehome him and so I brought him home. And he's very, they're both sweet cats. They're, they're very friendly. Um, Gypsy's not so much of a barn cat anymore. She's very old and just kind of enjoying retirement laying in the sun, but barn cats still, he's a good mouser.
34:39and still brings this little presence to the back door sometimes. Yep. I love barn cats. I love barn cats because they live outside, they do their job, and I don't have to have a cat box in my house. Exactly. You're right. I say Satan is mean. Satan was mean. Satan actually is very, very friendly compared to how he used to be.
35:05The Humane Society told us when we got him from them that he was a feral stray. He would never let anyone pet him. And turns out that they were wrong. He will come up to me and do the winding in between my ankles and meow at me and he'll let me pet him. He hates being held. So if you pick him up, he fights to get down. And that's why I say that he's mean. And as for people dumping their pets, it happens.
35:35Farms a lot. Floof, the mama cat I was talking about, she showed up here two springs ago. She was about six months old and we didn't know where she came from. And we put a notice out on Facebook. I did all the channels of if anyone is missing their cat, we have her. And of course, nobody said anything. We think someone dumped her and we think that they dumped her because she was a long haired.
36:05cat and she was all matted up and people were going to have trouble keeping her groomed. And she is aggressively friendly. She will climb you to get to your shoulder so you'll pet her. And she's been like that since she showed up. So I get kind of upset when people dump their pets because it's just so... Abandonment, yeah. Sad. Yeah. It really is. It's horrible, but you know, a lot of times things happen for a reason.
36:35And so I don't condone dump your pets in somebody's yard or at the end of the street or whatever, but. Sometimes it works out. Yeah, I love Floof. I'm actually glad that if she had to be dumped, at least she was dumped here where we could take her, where we could take care of her. All right. What's some of the stuff you got in the garden this year? How much stuff you guys have in the garden? Yeah, he was just asking if I would want her to tell you about the garden. Go ahead. Please do.
37:05So every year, you know, I plant similar things, but this year I have three different varieties of tomatoes, but I probably have 50 tomato plants total, so we can grow enough to can and make salsas and salsa and things like that. And then I'll probably have a dozen different varieties of peppers, mostly hot and some sweet. I have sweet corn, I have okra.
37:33I have cucumbers, squash and zucchini, rattlesnake pole beans, which are my favorite beans to grow, potatoes, garlic and onions. Asparagus. Oh, and asparagus. Asparagus, this is coming up on year three with the asparagus, so hopefully we'll be able to harvest some before too long. It just takes a long time for that. I used to grow a lot of different, like I would try to grow cantaloupe and it never worked out very well.
38:04Finally, it was like stop trying to grow things that are not working out and grow the things that do work out and that you know That you're gonna eat the most of You are going to be swamped in produce. Do you can we do we can and freeze and we make olive sauce and canned tomatoes for recipes for the winter and then Lewis makes his own hot sauce as well, so we
38:30We use a lot of different varieties of peppers for the hot sauce. Yeah, we couldn't keep any of the hot sauce. It turned out really good. And we sampled it, wanted a bottle. And then we started doing jams and jellies. You know, it's nice to try something different, though, if you have room in your garden to try a different plant. Because last year, we tried some birdhouse gourds. And they took off. We had over 100 of them. And they just collapsed.
39:00the trellis we had for it, we were not ready for how productive that plant was. Yeah, so how long does it take for those gourds to dry out enough to make them into birdhouses? I've seen it done. About six months, between four to six months. Yeah, four to six months. I mean, ideally a year would be best just to make sure, but four to six months, they're pretty dried out. They start getting where you can rattle them, the seeds are dried out.
39:29we harvested last year are in my garden shed right now. So I've started cleaning them and because they get kind of splotchy and moldy looking. Yeah. So I just clean them, lightly sand them and then I'll have them ready to like turn into birdhouses and maybe sell at our Gypsy Junker Market in the fall. Super cool. I love that. Will you paint any of them or will you just, will you just...
39:58sell them the way that they are. Roll experiment, we'll probably paint some. We'll probably paint some, but I also thought about just setting up a little table at the market and give them kids $5 by Gord and the kids can paint them their selves and take with them. So kind of make and take activity for kids out there. That's fun, I love that.
40:21I understand what you're saying about trying something new in the garden. We've tried to do that every year for over the last at least 15 years. And the one we tried two years ago was Lufa. I want to do that this year. I just haven't started it yet. I probably should. How did that do for you? It did not. We don't have a long enough growing season for them. They're a really long time from seed to end result.
40:50And so they didn't work. And I did some research after, because we just picked up a packet of luffa gourd seeds. Didn't even think about it. And yeah, Minnesota's not the best place to grow luffa gourds. I know people can, it's been done, but we're not where it's gonna work very well. Maybe with the greenhouse, maybe we can grow them. Yep, I was fixing a side babe with a greenhouse. Yeah, we'll try it. And the reason we wanted to do luffa gourds is because we make,
41:19cold press, cold processed lye soap. I keep saying cold press, it's not cold press, it's cold processed lye soap. And we used to buy cold processed lye soaps from a lady that would do her soaps around the loofah sponges. So as you're using the soap, the sponge comes, or the, it comes through. And so we wanted to make some of those. And I was like, hey, we could grow loofah.
41:48whatever they're called, gourds or squashes or whatever, and we could make our own. And so, yeah, that was why we tried it and it didn't work. So we're going to have to try growing them in the greenhouse and see if it works. Right. This year, we're trying something new with a mini fruit tree orchard. So we planted apples. We planted two varieties of apples, so three each, and then two. I think I planted four peach trees.
42:17a pomegranate and then we have two paw paltries. And then we have all those figs. We have so many figs. Nice. And the blueberries are just overloaded right now. Yeah, figs and blueberries. So is everything blooming right now? Is that what you're saying when you say overloaded? Yeah, the blueberries have already like put on the actual berries, the fruit, and they, the blueberry bushes have so many berries on them like it's pulling them to the ground. They are so full.
42:46Yeah, I think I posted some videos on our Facebook page on that. Yeah. So, and some of them are just starting to turn blue, but you have to let them stay for just a little bit so they'll be sweet. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I know nothing about Georgia's weather. How cold do you guys get in, in like January? Um, they just reclassified us to zone 8A. We were 7B. So we don't get.
43:14Our winters don't get too bad and by our perspective, we may get in the 20s, maybe five to ten days out of the winter time. It rarely gets down to the teens. So it's cold enough for us. Yeah, we don't have too many days or too much time. January is our coldest month and we don't have too much time where we really get below freezing.
43:44It happens, but not very often. Okay, so when... Okay, let's talk about blueberries because that's what we were talking about. When did they start blooming for you guys? Probably late March. Okay. We tried growing blueberry plants at our old house and they would bloom in May or June.
44:14Yeah, because it's cold here in the wintertime. Yeah, you can have that cold. Nothing, nothing grows here in the wintertime outside. We have the opposite problem here. Like I have a really hard time growing like, um, leafy greens and carrots. I've tried Brussels sprouts multiple times and broccoli multiple times. And we go from blazing hot to winter. Um, like we don't have a long enough.
44:44fall to really grow a good fall crop. Usually I can get a little bit, but we just go from hot to cold and then we don't have a long enough winter. I could do some cold things in the early spring, but there we go from really cold to 85 degrees in two weeks.
45:12We kept going from winter to summer to winter to summer. We would just not have the long extended falls and springs that we used to have in Minnesota. And this past fall, we basically didn't even have a winter this winter. It was cold, but we didn't get a lot of snow. We didn't have the weeks of the minus twenties that we usually have. And this spring has been amazing. It's been just...
45:40the slowest, gradualist lead-in to summer in years. That's perfect, y'all. And we had tulips and daffodils blooming for like two weeks straight. That doesn't happen here in the last 10 years. So I got to have the most beautiful spring flowers for two weeks on end. It was lovely. That's so nice. Yes, I had been saying to my husband the last two years we were here, I was like,
46:09What happened to our extended falls and our extended springs? He's like, we're going to get one. We're going to get one. And as soon as I saw the tools bloom, I was like, yeah, they'll bloom and they'll be gone in two days. And this is today's the end of the two-week period from when they started blooming and the petals are falling off now. So really nice to see the flowers for more than two days this spring. It's been amazing.
46:34All right, Kendra and Louis, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me and I try to keep these to half an hour and we're at like 46 minutes and 31 seconds. So I'm going to let you go. Thank you again and have a fantastic day. Thank you for having us. Thank you, Mary Lewis. All right. Bye.
 

Faith & Feathers Farm

Today I'm talking with Kayla at Faith & Feathers Farm about the homesteading life.
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00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Kayla at Faith and Feathers Farm. Good morning, Kayla. How are you? Good morning. How are things in North Carolina? It's been really rainy and kind of a...
00:27We don't know if we're on the verge of coming in the summer or finishing spring. Yeah. This, this weather all over the world has been a little bit odd lately. It's okay. It's all going to level out. I think, I hope. All right. Tell me about yourself and faith and feathers farm. Okay. My name is Kayla, Kayla Creech, and we have a farm here in Eastern North Carolina on the coast and.
00:55This come with a vision about five years ago, we started when my husband brought home six baby chicks from Tractor Supply. And I think the rest is history because that just started our love for poultry, for a farm in general. And we have just went with it. We started, like I said, five years ago, he brought the chicks home.
01:23my children fell in love. At that time we were living in Alabama, a little small subdivision, and it was probably less than an acre. So that's one of the things I wanted to talk about today with people, it does not matter what size or how much land you live on or what you have, you can work with what you have, and that's what I love about farming. Amen, sister. You're preaching to the choir, that's what we did too. And...
01:52Tractor Supply Company, we joke around here that it's evil because every time we go there, we come home with something we weren't going for. Yes, yes, yes. And so five years ago, we started with those baby chicks. Then the pandemic happened and everything kind of went into a scare or maybe where's our next food source gonna come from? Maybe we need to think of having something to rely on in case we can't get to the store.
02:22We had no idea that, you know, which way it was going to go and kind of the unknown, not really fear, but just having a plan B and option in case you couldn't get to the store. How were you going to feed your family and what were you going to do? Mm-hmm. Yep. That's where the whole homesteading boom, craze, whatever you want to call it, seems to have started, the renewed interest in it. Yes. And so the pandemic happened, kind of jobs went on scare.
02:52We weren't quite sure what we were gonna do and we decided to move back to North Carolina where we originally were born and raised. We did live four years in Alabama, like I said, and did farm there. We always had a garden, even if it was small, you know, just planting roots where you're at with what you have and kinda making it work is what my goal is in life. People say, oh, I can't garden. Yes, you can.
03:21It doesn't matter if you've got a pot on a porch, a little small container bed, a kitchen window, whatever you have that you can put seeds in and start somewhere, wherever you're at. You don't have to start big and have a huge garden. No, you don't have to. You can have a little tiny raised bed and grow things because nature hates a vacuum.
03:48If you provide the right conditions, nature is going to grow something. It's going to work out, isn't it? Yup. I love that you're saying all this because I have been saying this for over 20 years now. All the things you're saying. And people just assume because they see Instagram, they see YouTube, they see what the social media wants to project as far as what you've got to have and you do not have to have that to make it work, you know?
04:18Yeah, and thank goodness there are people like you and people like me who are dispelling the myth because it is a myth. You can grow a potted basil plant to the size that you need it to be to be able to use that basil to cook with in your kitchen even. Absolutely. I started years ago Seed Starts and my husband, we were fortunate at a time, he did build us a greenhouse.
04:48And believe it or not, I've had the best seed start in a milk jug, one gallon milk jug. So literally taking a milk jug and starting your seeds. You don't have to have anything fancy from what a lot of people think and once you get those seeds started, you know, it depends on if you want to direct sow or start your seeds ahead of time, but you can make it work. I have started plants in a milk jug.
05:13almost making like a partial greenhouse with the lid and cutting it half open and starting your seeds. I've heard of people starting their seeds on their dryer in their laundry room using bread bags. Putting the seeds in egg cartons and putting that bread bag around the egg cartons and make a little ecosystem for those seeds to start in and using that bag
05:43to act like a greenhouse, the bread bag. Yeah. That's what you have. Yeah, we used clear, I don't know how many gallon, but containers that had the clear lids too. We used those to start plants one year. Yeah, so when people approach us, we've had some friends say, oh, I can't grow that. I said, can you get a pot? Can you get a flower pot and we will make it work. If you don't have a big garden,
06:11will start right there on your porch walking down your steps, just some kind of pot to put dirt and what you need into it to filter through and your seeds and we can make it work in the right conditions. Are you a teacher at heart, Kayla? I am. I've done it for 16 years and also I work in the medical field, but I always go back to teaching and being with the...
06:40around children and not necessarily just children because you're not ever too old to learn something. So I'm 35 now and I will tell you I still learn something every day. I want to write a book one day but I haven't got that far yet with three kids because we have three kids and they keep us busy and plus the farm. But I would love to write a book about what I have learned in the past five years and how faith and feathers.
07:09farm has come about and what I have learned as far as not necessarily just chickens but what I've learned on the way and to help other people to learn from the mistakes that I did if I could put that in someone else's hands or educate someone else along the way where they wouldn't have to learn the hard way because people they just think okay I'm gonna go get chickens.
07:34It doesn't work that way. I tell everyone that you need to research the animal before you go buy it. And you need to set them up for success. You need to have everything that you can think of to bring them to your farm where you can be successful with that animal. Even if it is a plant, I mean, what does that plant need to grow? What does that animal need to grow? Are you gonna be able to provide it with, you know, protection?
08:02I'm in rules if it's a guy we have guys we have chickens we have ducks we have pigs and we are a rescue farm so i didn't finish telling you that so what we are is a rescue farm our mission like i said five years ago was to start with those baby chicks and have a food source in case we were not able to accommodate you know food for our family if times got tough and we still don't know what tomorrow will bring
08:29but only God knows that, but we can prepare ourself. It's not that you are scaring someone or wanting to put fear in someone, but to be educated, prepare yourself for what might happen. And so, started that little farm with those five chicks. We went from that to, and with life, you know, seasons change just like the weather. And our outlook on what we started with definitely has changed. And I'll tell you why.
08:59We started with the chicks wanting a food source and I got into special breeds, special breed poultry. And I met so many people along the way and it was just a wonderful opportunity to do that. But I enjoyed so much. I got away from what I really started to farm for was enjoyment. It's a hobby.
09:26I love just walking outside and watching my animals interact, interact me, interact with them, my children feed them, the eggs, and all of those fun things that you do on a farm. And with the collecting of the eggs, the ship them out, and you had this deadline, and all these chickens separated for certain breeds. It wasn't, I wasn't enjoying it anymore.
09:51So about two years ago, we come up with a name. We had started farming five years ago, but we finally come up with a name. What was our intention? Well, first faith is always have faith in what you do, faith in God, feeling strong about what your intentions are, faith. And then feathers is we started with chickens, so that's why we got the feather part. And after that, my goal shifted and now we rescue animals.
10:20We have a lot of military around our area that move in and get deployed elsewhere. They can't take their animals with them. People's health declines. They can't take care of their animals no more. Or, you know, with the way the world's gone, some people can't even feed their self. And hardly feed their animals. So we want to provide them a place where they know that they can call me. And I will give them a home. Sometimes they have a permanent home here.
10:48Sometimes I give them a home long enough that there may be somebody else in the area that is searching for that animal Or I'll put out fillers like hey Kayla. Do you know anyone that has a donkey? I know you meet so many people on the way I'm really needing a mini donkey. So that is where our Hobbies have switched to and I could not be more happy at this part of my life I feel like I'm making a difference in people's life for one helping them
11:17They can't move or get deployed because they're worried. They get attached to their animals. They are already worried about the move and then they don't want to worry about their animal going somewhere that they're not taken care of. So they know that they can entrust us. They see what we're about. I can go anywhere from three hours away rescuing a rabbit to an hour away rescuing a duck. So you never know where we're gonna end up but that is what we are.
11:46are set on now is rescuing and rehoming animals, keeping some of them and also seeing what our future holds as far as our food source. We have never lost sight of that. We always keep things here that if something happened, we would have a food source, whether it was a garden, whether it was a meat rabbit, whether it was quail, chicken eggs, something that you can live off of. If you
12:13can't sustain yourself and get to a grocery store or if our food system wants to fail us. Yeah, that's amazing that you're doing the rescue because we have a dog I love more than life itself and I can't imagine parting with her. But if something happened I would want somebody like you to take her and this is how much I love her every time I talk about losing her it makes me cry.
12:40It's terrible. I'm so dumb. I should not be this attached to her, but I am. But you are and they are like family. So I mean, we have goats. We have learned so much along the way. Some animals need more care than others and we do have rescues that are handicapped. Yeah. I know that they need more help than what some other animals would. We do see a vet. I do all I can.
13:09before I reach out to the vet, but when we reach out to the vet, we need help. And sometimes we have done all we can do and they have to reassure me of that. So this is where the medical field background comes into play. I am so fortunate and blessed that God has led me on a path of teaching to the medical field and now to farming because all of that has incorporated into our farm and people reach out to me all the time.
13:40It's not doing well. What can we do? What do you suggest? Is there anything natural that I can give this animal to try first before I resort to a vet? So it really like I said, I would love one day to write a book and tell about our journey on how we've become fate the feathers farm and What we do and what we could do to help other people To save them the heartache of losing an animal if it's something that we could have prevented
14:09if they were placed in, if it was placed in their hands, and every animal that leaves our farm, whether it was raised here, whether it was rescued, whatever the situation may be, when that animal leaves our farm, those owners now have a clear understanding of what this animal needs to be fed and what it needs to be taken care of because I want to set them up for success and the animal up for success. Yeah. Can I, I have not written a book.
14:39But I know I've talked with a lot of people who have, and one of the things that they tell me is if you really feel called to write a book like you're talking about, if you can find 20 minutes a day to write down things in a journal and keep those journals, that would be a really good jumping off point for your book later so that you're not trying to just start it from scratch 10 years from now.
15:05Absolutely, because you know sometimes we get that squirrel in our mind like, hey, we're on this subject like me talking to you. I just love people in general. So I'll be talking to you one thing and then this conversation gets switched. So definitely taking those thoughts at that time and writing them down too. So you don't forget. And also, you know, our time is limited, but I feel a calling to help people in a way.
15:32I've actually learned a lot of natural recipes along our way that help with poultry and some of our animals to try before resorting to the vet. I'm not saying that they are a cure, but they definitely are a preventative and a way to help those animals and then if things get worse then you definitely could reach out to a vet in situations like that. And I really do think it helps to know what that animal needs.
15:59If it is a goat, for instance, you know, goats were raised, I'm sure in the mountains and the hills, you know, and we don't have that here on Eastern North Carolina. Our farmland is flat. There's minerals. We're very, very deficient in selenium here. And so that is one of the things and minerals that the goats need. And you don't want to have to go to the vet every now and again to get a shot just because your soul is lacking minerals.
16:28and the goat needs that type of mineral. So definitely making sure that you have minerals, loose minerals for goats. That the chicken has fresh water all the time and is not in stress. If they feel like a predator is around them, they will be less likely to lay eggs like they should every day to every other day. My mom asked me the other day, she said, Kayla, how do you know all this? You need to go to vet school. And it's not, it's just that I've...
16:55prayed about it. God has blessed me with situations. He's put people into my life that have taught me and if I can teach someone else, I would love to do that. That is why I wanted, I was so excited when you reached out to me because it makes me feel good that people have the similar interests like us and want to do this. They want to Homestead.
17:24other people want to try to do. And this is what the podcast is about. The podcast is about letting people learn vicariously through people who are doing whatever it is they're doing, whether it's farming or rescue or cooking from scratch and selling it or cooking from scratch and not selling it or making crafts. So I was more than happy to reach out and get you to talk with me. You were saying back
17:5110 minutes ago that you really enjoy having the chance to just watch what you're building. Watch your chickens, watch your ducks, whatever. We have a five, well, they'll be five weeks old Saturday, five week old litter of seven barn kittens right now. Oh, wow. And they just came out of the pole barn last night and my dog has been through this once before we had a litter last fall. My dog loves the babies.
18:19And she has, she knows there's, she's known there's babies in the barn, but she doesn't go in the barn. So she's been waiting and waiting for them to come out. She saw them last night and I watched her and I watched her ears perk up. I watched her go on, on point like they do. And her rear ends start to wiggle because she's a mini Australian shepherd. So she only has a nub in for a tail. And many Australian shepherds, Australian shepherds are known as wiggle butts.
18:48She was wiggle button all over the place and waiting for those kittens to come introduce themselves. And this morning, now that she's been introduced, she has been just asking every 10 minutes to go outside because she thinks they're still out there. So watching that happen is one of the most amazing, funniest things I've ever seen because you would think that she would be like, eh, baby cats or whatever, but they're her babies.
19:16Yeah, and it's life on the farm. Now there is hard days. I'm not gonna lie to you. People start out with farms and they get disappointed. You may go out one morning and that chicken or that goat or whatever you have on your homestead may not be thriving. It may not be doing good. And it kind of brings, we had a neighbor that had actually looked after our animals while we went on vacation and I do not vacate.
19:43that much anymore that's the only thing about having a farm you have to find people that you trust to feed your animals when you're gone and I come back to a lot of death not necessarily something he had done in particularly but my own dogs had did it. They actually had attacked some of our chickens and because they were not put up at night and he didn't know that so sometimes things happen on the farm we don't understand why they happen there is heartache but there's
20:12also times of joy, new birth, you having those kittens in the pole barn and just seeing the dog's reaction of anticipation of waiting for so long and then finally being able to go and enjoy them and spend time with them and if any of my days are stressful all you have to do, my husband gets he talks about me missing sometimes and he knows where to find me. I'll be outside talking with my animals. It is an awesome therapy.
20:41I believe talking with your animals and getting out and enjoying nature is the type of therapy. Absolutely. I just talked to my dad this morning and he had a weird thing happen a couple weeks ago. One of his salivary glands got blocked and he got a nasty infection. He and my mom have a border collie dog. He was telling me this morning that she has been just the best caretaker. He said, now, your mama.
21:10is the best caretaker for me. He said, but this dog, I swear, he said, ever since I got sick, she has been right by my side. He said, I've been taking her for walks this week and she has stuck right by me and she's never on a leash unless there's a reason for her to be. And he said, she has not been making him go find her or chase her. She's right there guarding him. Something's wrong. Yep. So yeah, he
21:35And he said that when he was actually feeling terrible when he got home from the hospital because he spent a night in the hospital, she was right there by him and he was petting her and it just made him feel so much better. So yes, having animals is therapy. You may not think so, but it is. And they, they, um, just like a dog waiting for you to get home, they do not know the time that you had left them. How long it was? 30 minutes? 10 minutes?
22:01Five hours they are just excited for and and wanting your acceptance and love So that is what I tell people all the time about having a farm If you can do all you can do not to let that animal down You've really got to be passionate about what you do and when you lose passion in it or when it's not it's time to shift But I have not lost passion in this and I will continue and our farm will reach out to animals that are in need but
22:29just like that dog waiting on you at the door. It just wants your acceptance. It wants your love. It does not judge how you look, how you feel. It just wants your love. That's all it wants. Mm-hmm, absolutely. Okay, so you said you have three kids. Are they involved in the running of the farm? Yes, and we have two girls and a boy, and the two older girls are 12 and nine. One of them is a fashionista, Hoshi.
22:58really more about what she's wearing going into the teenage phase, excited about that, but she still loves our animals. Now my middle daughter, she's out there day with eggs, picking the animals up and holding them. And my oldest daughter and husband, they have favorites on the farm. He's more of a duck and pig person, and I'm more of a chicken person. So we literally have an animal, I guess, for each person.
23:26to love out here. So yes, they helped me so much on the farm. I couldn't do without them. And that is a lot that people don't know about having a farm or a homestead is the thing it takes. We have a lot of animals here. So the feeding, the cleaning, you know, closing up your pen at night, making sure everybody's in to prevent predators because we live in an area where there's nothing around us but fields. And so we face
23:54almost every predator you can imagine, especially snakes right now. Snakes are in and foxes, it's time for the fox run and we are getting, missing a few guineas. So that's just, it's part of life. It is the life cycle. We don't want it to happen sometimes, but unfortunately it does. And so my family is very, very supportive and help as much as they can with the farm, whether it be feeding, caring for an animal, cleaning for an animal.
24:23and just having patience with me because they know it takes a lot of time outside to caring for those animals and not as much time inside anymore. Yeah. You were saying about knowing what's involved in having an animal before you get an animal during the research. One of the things that I want to share with the listeners is that if you're going to get chickens, chickens eat a lot more feed than you think they would. Absolutely.
24:53I had no idea. Or they call them little mini dinosaurs and they have a appetite. They literally will eat and eat as much as you feed them. They're not good self-regulators. No, no they are not. And I will tell you this also about, you know, learning the animal before you get it. I love going to tractor supply, especially during chick days because my husband said,
25:23Because I have had to learn your different types of breeds of chickens. What? So when I meet someone, I'll see them there and they're looking at the chicks and I'm like, okay, what are you wanting? And my husband and my kids laugh at me every time, but I just love people and I want to help them. It's not that I'm trying to get in their business or tell them what to do, but you, you know, is it for me? Is it for a dual purpose chicken? Would you like a chicken just for show?
25:52You're not going to want to get a silky and let and that be your meat source or your dual-purpose bird because in all in all they're in the Bantam variety. They're not going to lay as many eggs as what you say a Rhode Island red chicken would every year. So their requirements are different. So you need to know that too about what you're getting versus going out there and just getting a chicken. There's a lot more that goes into it than just, hey, I'm going to get chickens and I'm going to feed them.
26:21I'm gonna get an egg every day and it's gonna be so much cheaper than buying eggs at the grocery store. That is wrong. Definitely wrong, yes. The other thing that I want to say is you were saying that if your passion dies out for it, it's time to switch gears. Here's the thing about that. You're right. You're absolutely right. But the other thing is that in the beginning of any new thing.
26:50People are evangelistic about the new thing, whether it's a new food or a new lifestyle or a new animal or whatever. They're focused on it entirely and they're excited about it. And then you have to come down from that high that you're on with the excitement because you can't maintain it, number one. And number two, things do go wrong and it does hurt.
27:19and it will make you cry. And you have to learn how to balance your passion and the disappointment that will inevitably come when something goes wrong. The barn kittens that we have right now, I am purposely giving them a fairly wide berth because I don't want to get attached. Because barn kittens don't always survive on the farm. And it's not anything that we can or can't do. It's just that sometimes they don't thrive.
27:49because they're outdoor animals. So they're adorable and I love them. But if a couple of them don't make it, I'm not gonna be nearly as destroyed as when the first barn cat that we got from the Humane Society got hit by a car and died. I was very upset about that. And I don't wanna feel like that again. So I'm admiring the kittens from afar. I have held them and kissed them and petted them twice now. And that's enough.
28:18Because mom is doing a good job, these kittens don't need a second mom. Absolutely.
28:25So that's what I wanted to say about that because it's really hard when you know something bad can happen, but you try and hard to have faith that it won't and then it does anyway. We have rescued goats. The mother died at a farm previously. They had done everything they could for that mom. Unfortunately, when you buy animals from an auction, you don't know what you're buying.
28:54And so they did not know that the goat was pregnant. So she had two babies and we had a bottle baby at the time that did not have a friend. So we rescued the two bottle babies, not knowing much, except that the mom had died and they had tried to do everything they could. But when the mom went down on that farm, she was not able to feed them and do like she needed to, so us rescuing them, they were kind of.
29:21malnourished from their mom passing at the other farm. The mom was wild so the owners were not able to intervene like they needed to and get a hold of the babies and care for them because of the way the mom's temperament was. And so when we rescued them, I had all these intentions of, you know, I was going to do this and I was going to do that and it was going to be wonderful.
29:49And then that's why I was saying back at the previous comment about going out and some days are disappointing because when you go out, one of the babies was down that morning and the vet had to reassure me, you know, Hey, Kelly, you have tried everything. We know your intentions. You were wanting to nurse them back to health, but sometimes things are out of our hands and I lost that goat and it was nothing we had did. We had kept her three days. We were bottle feeding her, but
30:16You can't, it is out of our hands sometimes, but just knowing that you've done all you can do, there isn't a reassurance in that, that I did seek out and try to get it help. I brought it here trying to get it more help and just doing the best that we can with what we have. Yeah, exactly. And I'm gonna put this out there. You can tell me whether you agree or disagree. I feel like when you are working with nature,
30:45whether it's plants or animals or whatever. It gives you the highest highs and the lowest lows. No one who's working with nature needs to do drugs because you will be higher than a kite when things go well and you will be lower than low when they don't. Absolutely, 100% agree with that. Also, I will talk about nature taking its course. There is nothing better than letting a creature or an animal
31:14do its own thing. It's got its own natural instinct. I can come in here and I can sit eggs in an incubator and I can hatch those baby chicks or those baby quail. And I can take care of it to 100% and they are reliant on me. But then I can go and take a broody hen and put eggs up under her or let her hatch her own clutch of eggs.
31:42And watching that mom hatch those baby chicks will give you the most high, like you're talking about, whether it be plants, chickens or whatever. And just seeing those babies that she has got the instinct to know how to take care of from day one by helping. I did not know this, but they can actually help some of them hatch. You know, in an incubator you're not really supposed to help some hatch. Some people do.
32:09Some people don't, they say only the strong ones survive and can get out of the shell. But in nature, the mom can actually help the baby chick hatch. And she knows exactly what to do. I have had such good hens before that I have hatched eggs myself or bought baby chicks from Tractor Supply and not even had to bring home and put under a heat lamp or a brooder plate because I would give them to an experienced mom.
32:37And as soon as she's done her first initial cluck cluck or her noise that she does to call her babies, that chick knows what to do. And it amazes me every time how aseptive of that they are that they can just let nature take its course sometimes. Like what you're doing with the barn cats. Let mom and nature take its course and see how it goes.
33:02Yeah, it's kind of amazing that we as humans really have no idea what we're doing with our first baby. Yes. I know when I got pregnant with my daughter, first child, I was 19. I was young and I had no idea what I was going to do. I mean, I knew what I was going to do. I was going to have a baby, but I had to get books and read up on what to expect when you're expecting and what happens.
33:28what you do when you bring the baby home, because I knew you had to feed the baby. I understood that I had breasts and that I would breastfeed my baby if I could, and I did, and I loved it, and she loved it too, and she is 34 years old now. But I didn't know what I was doing, and I watched my barn cat have these babies last fall, not the latest litter, but the first litter, and I went out.
33:57to check on her maybe three hours after those babies were born. And she's a very floofy cat. She's a very long haired cat. Her tail was completely soaked from all the water from the sacks. And she had those babies right up under her and they were nursing. And she looked completely blissed out. Like I don't know what just happened here, but I feel so good.
34:26She was under a year old. So technically she was still a kitten herself. And she had six babies, never had had babies before and knew exactly what to do. Because it's all instinct. Isn't it is and I have people contact me, should I do this or should I do that? I was like, give it a little bit because you'll be shocked. A mom knows how long to sit on her eggs. Most chickens do.
34:54Do they need to intervene? Do I need to do this? I was like let them sit it out give them a day or two They know when to come off of the nest if they if they might be waiting for a few more to hatch Even though they've got two under two baby chicks under their wing They may be knowing something we don't know that they need to sit just a little bit longer for those last few to hatch Mm-hmm. Just let nature like I said take its course because God created that animal and he he made everything perfect and they know
35:22what they need to do to care for their self to a certain extent. Now do you need to supply them with clean water every day and food? Absolutely. But I have more chickens that would love to get out in free range and just enjoy the bugs and the nature and the grass that God created instead of me feeding them every minute. I'm so fortunate that my geese love to free range.
35:48and that some of our chickens love to free range. Now, is there certain breeds that are there waiting at the food bowl like a dog every time you feed them? Absolutely. But just letting nature take its course and letting what is out there provide their nutrients for them. Yeah. And I feel like homesteaders and farmers and growers all know I was going somewhere with this, something you just said, and I just lost it. I feel like, oh, I know what it was.
36:17We all need to work with nature as much as possible instead of trying to work against it or change the direction because it's never going to stay put long. With our rabbits this year, I'm trying something new, you know, like with the food system, we have no idea which way it's going to go. So being self sustainable is very important, whether it be, you know, I don't have anything against vegan if you want to grow your own plants, that's fine.
36:46We do both here. We do meat and vegetables. And so having that source there is so important and me being able to now grow and know how to start seedlings and grow fruit food for my animals. That is important too. Um, what if, what if the feed store closes and you're not able to get feed anymore, um, just things like that. And I feel so blessed to be able to.
37:14go out and grow lettuce and turnips or carrots for my rabbits. That's amazing when you can turn around and grow something with your own hands for your family or for your animals. That's a proud feeling. Mm-hmm. Absolutely it is. We are getting ready to get stuff planted here in a week or so, because I'm in Minnesota and it's still a little nippy for planting anything outside.
37:43May 15th is usually the day that we're like, okay, we're safe to put seedlings in the ground now. Are you having cool nights still? Yeah. Cool night. Yep. Last night I think the low was 50. Oh yes. And we're in 80s and 80s to high 80s during the day and we are, you know, 55 to 65 at night. So it's time for us, um, with busy life sometimes we don't plant when we want to.
38:13Me, I'm way behind this year. But you know, like I said, life has a season. Every season is different. There is some things I will tell you about, just like getting an animal. You need to know your soil. You need to know what your farm or homestead can grow. And sometimes that makes trial and error. When we first moved to this homestead, there had been nothing here that my dad and them had planted over the years was just soybeans.
38:41So we knew soybeans would grow, but it's very sandy. But we could not get anything to grow except peppers. Now peppers love the sand. Peppers and our squash. But certain vegetables did not thrive unless we made raised beds and amended it with our own soil. And we love our rabbits because we are able to source our own fertilizer through their manure.
39:10And that makes me also proud to have a whole system there of being able to grow the vegetable to feed the animal, but have their manure and what they have to actually grow what they eat to fertilize it. So that right there in a cycle of itself, that will make you proud. A full circle system, I love it.
39:34All right, Kayla, on that note, we're at like almost 40 minutes and I try to keep these to half an hour, so I'm gonna let you go. Thank you so much for talking with me today. I really appreciate it. Yes, we absolutely enjoyed it so much. All right, have a great day. Thank you.
 

In The Kitchen With Grammy

Today I'm talking with Shavonica at In The Kitchen With Grammy. You can also follow on Facebook.
00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Shavonica at In the Kitchen with Grammy. Good morning, Shavonica. How are you? I'm great. How are you doing? I'm good. I want to know all about what you do at In the Kitchen with Grammy. Great. So...
00:28It all started about four years ago and I started cooking with my granddaughter. She'll be six in July and we just started making videos and, um, cooking with, with her and now I have four granddaughters and a fifth on the way, but we get in the kitchen and we cook and I teach them how to make different kinds of foods, but now we've started a channel called In the Kitchen with Grammy and we're doing pies. Um, I think that pie making has been a lost art kind of, and
00:55You know, people aren't really doing that anymore. So I want to teach my granddaughters and make sure that they know how to do all that. So we started the, in the kitchen with Ramy. We have a weekly broadcast that comes out where we, I have either a grandchild or I've had several gifts come on and, um, we're cooking and making pies. And then we actually take our pies out in the public and let them taste them and rate them on a scale from one to 10. And from that, uh, people were saying, where can I buy these pies? And I said, well, you really.
01:24can't buy them anywhere. We're just, you know, it's a YouTube, Facebook channel and all that, but they kept requesting it. And so from that, we've actually formed Grammy's pies and I'm now in the pie business probably about a month ago and doing pies on a weekly basis. That's great. Um, so are you falling under the cottage food laws for Texas? Is that how you're doing it? Yes, ma'am. Okay.
01:51So in Texas, are you allowed to ship your food if you have your cottage food registration thing? No, not yet. Okay. All right. That we're working on. It may require me getting a permanent location, getting it inspected and that type of thing. And so we've had tons of requests for shipping and that'll be something that we're working on and trying to get that in the works.
02:19Yeah, all the cottage food laws in all the states are not the same. We're like you in Minnesota. We are not allowed to ship foods if we only have our cottage food. It's not licensing. It's a registration. I keep wanting to say license, but it's not a license. But I guess in other states, you can ship. And I'm waiting for Minnesota to decide that we're allowed to ship our goods as well. Okay. So...
02:48Let me rephrase that. You can actually ship within the state. I should have said that. You can ship within the state of Texas. So I can ship. It's a big state. And so I could ship anywhere within the state as I've, what I've read, but I can't ship outside the state. Okay. We're not allowed to ship anywhere in Minnesota. No, no. And the people that are in charge of this, the higher ups as it were, not me, are working to get the laws changed, but it's a very, very steep climb.
03:17So yes, yes. I love pie. I hate making pie because I cannot perfect a pie crust to save my life. Do you have a secret for making pie dough? Yeah, I use a recipe with we use real butter. People just say your your crust is really flaky. You know, it's just really it's crisp. It's good. And so, I mean, just.
03:44rolling it out, using the right kind of flour, just the right ingredients. And one of the things when you're making a pie crust is using really cold butter. It's got to come straight out of the fridge and you've got to, you know, use it right away to make your pie crust stick. Okay. So do you, do you like use a grater and grate the butter so it gets incorporated or how do you use the cold butter? I don't. I cut up.
04:11butter in kind of like cubes and then I use a food processor. Oh, okay. And it, you kind of pulse it, pulse it, pulse it and it, you know, grinds it up and gets it all in there and makes it a little easier. And you actually have to use really cold water as well. So cold water, cold butter in with your flour mixture and that helps. And I also offer a gluten-free crust in my pies. So that's another little option. You are a one-stop shop then. That's great.
04:40I never thought of using my food processor to pulse the cold butter. I'm going to have to attempt making pie crust again now that I have been reminded that you can do that. Yes. Okay. So I don't know what to ask you exactly because I just don't know. So how old are your other granddaughters? All right. So my granddaughters are, my oldest one will be six in July. I have one that just turned three.
05:09one that just turned two, one that's 19 months, and then one that's due the first part of August. So do the three and two year olds try to help too, or are they still too little? No, no, they try to help. They get in there and they love it. We've got a couple of cooking shows with her on it also, and they absolutely love to get in the kitchen with Grammy and cook. Awesome. I saw a couple of your videos. They're really fun. I looked on your Facebook page.
05:36The only cooking I did with either of my grandmothers, and they're both now passed, so there's no cooking with my grandmothers anymore. My dad's stepmom, technically, used to make thumbprint cookies out of pie dough, actually. And so she would make the pie dough, and then she would have us kids stick our thumb in the middle of the rounds, and then she would put some kind of preserve in that indent and then bake them. And...
06:05It was like little tiny thumbprint pies. I remember doing that with her in her kitchen. And I don't know that I ever cooked with my mom's mom. I don't remember. We lived in Maine and they lived in Illinois. So we saw them like every other summer in Illinois. And my grandma was a fantastic quote unquote Southern cook. She made amazing fried chicken. She made some.
06:32delectable pies, but I just don't remember actually cooking with her. So the only thing I remember is thumbprint cookies. I never cooked with either of my grandparents and didn't have much cooking with my mom. Um, and so I think I just wanted to make a point to cook with my grandchildren and change that, teach them some things that I had to learn on my own and, you know, make sure they knew how to cook.
06:57And provide them some really fun memories to inspire them to keep cooking. Absolutely. Cause there is something fantastic about making food from scratch. And I've said this a few times already. Yeah, we do have all of our pie recipes though, are passed down from generations. So I did get recipes from, you know, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents that were passed down. And so that was, that's fun that we're able to incorporate and then turn around.
07:27and pass those on down to my grandchildren. Yeah, are there stories that go with the recipes that have been passed down? One of them is called a cup of pie and it came from a great, great grandparent. I'm not really sure the story behind it, but it's funny because it's called a cup of pie and it's a chocolate pie. And as my mother-in-law put it, there's not a cup of anything in it and it doesn't make a cup. She doesn't know why it's called a cup of pie, but it makes it delicious, fudgy.
07:56You know, chocolate pie. Yum. Um, my mom has a, a Texas, we call it a Tex-Mex pecan pie. She's, she had a pecan orchard back in New Mexico and so she grew her own pecans, harvested them, made pecan pies and she's passed the recipe on to me. And, and we actually are currently using her pecans, you know, still to make those, those, uh, pecan pies. And so that's where that recipe came from. And then I've got a triple coconut cream that was passed down. Um,
08:25It started out as a double coconut cream, and then I've just changed it and added it. It actually has four derivatives of coconut in the pie, and it's really tasty. It's one of my top sellers. Okay, well, I think that you might wanna make a, write a cookbook here after you get settled into your selling pies. Absolutely, that's one thing. My son helps me with all of this.
08:50stuff that we have going on all of my business. And that's the thing that he's been recommending is that we just write a cookbook and publish that. And as we did the pie tasting out in the community, that's what people asked, are you gonna have a cookbook and when will it be published? And so we're talking about it and it's in the works. If you're gonna do it, I'm gonna offer up advice and I probably shouldn't because nobody needs my advice, but I'm gonna offer it up anyway. If you're gonna try to publish a cookbook, I...
09:17I would try floating it to an actual publisher, partly because trying to self-publish cookbooks is kind of a pain in the butt because of the formatting in the way you do it on Kindle. I used to do this and it really is a pain if you don't know what you're doing. And also, because you have the videos and because you're becoming fairly known, you
09:44publisher might be willing to work with you a lot sooner. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. It just takes the pain in the butt part out of it for you. You supply the recipes and the stories and then they do the thing and you supply the photos. Awesome. Yeah, we actually have my daughter-in-law is a photographer. So she, we have taken professional photos of every pie that we've done so far. We currently have eight on my menu.
10:10That will grow as we, you know, but we started out with the eight that are on the menu and they've got professional photos and everything of each pie. So that's on our website. Tell me, tell me the different pies, the names of the pies. Okay, let me see. I've got pecan pie. It's called a Tex-Mex pecan pie. I've got a chocolate pie. It's chocolate cream. I don't do any of the meringue because a lot of people don't care for it. And meringue is very touchy and it can be, you know.
10:39the humidity related. And I mean, there's just different things that can affect meringue. So all my pies that could be meringue, they're cream pies. So they're topped with a homemade whipped topping. All my crusts are homemade. So I've got the pecan, I've got chocolate, I've got a peachy keen. So that's an interesting one where you've got your, and I don't make, I don't get any of my, I don't use canned fruit or, you know, it's all fresh. And so I peel the fruit and slice it and cook it down. But anyway, it's got a peach filling.
11:09And over the top of it, it's got like a cinnamon cream sauce before you top it on. So it's really good, really tasty. And I've got an apple, an apple pie, I think is my son's favorite. And that one's really good. It's been a good seller. I've got a lemon dream pie and it is the best of both worlds between a lemon pie and a cheesecake. So it contains cream cheese.
11:40You put your lemon pie in your crust and then you top it with this. That's almost like a cream cheese frosting, but with lemon, so good. And then you top that with your whipped topping and that's been a top seller. I've got a blueberry cream pie. That one's really delicious. Yeah. And the, the lemon, okay. Let me go back to the lemon. The lemon actually has a graham cracker crust. And so that.
12:07That's a really good one. And then the blueberry is not a double crusted. It is a limit. It's a blueberry cream pie. And so it's layered with, you've got a crust, you've got a cream and then you've got your blueberry filling and then the whipped topping on top. So it's a layered and it's a top seller. I really like that one.
12:25Okay. My triple coconut. I mentioned that earlier. That's the, got four different derivatives of coconut in it. And, you know, it's topped with toasted coconut on top of the whipped topping. And I think that's eight, yes? But what I do offer is not only your original pie, but I offer every pie in a gluten-free, every pie in a dairy-free and a sugar-free. Yeah.
12:55The only one that I can't, oh, buttermilk. I didn't mention buttermilk. I make a homemade buttermilk that's been passed down for generations as well. And it's really, it's a, you know, top-level pie. That's the only one that I can't do dairy-free, obviously, because it has a buttermilk in it. But everything else I can do is sugar-free, dairy-free, or gluten-free. Okay, so what's a buttermilk pie? I've never heard of it. Really? Okay, so some people call it a chest pie, a buttermilk pie, but I feel like there's a little bit of a difference between them.
13:25It contains usually either three fourths to a cup of buttermilk and sugar. It, when you cook it, it's one of the pies that you don't cook on the stove. It's one of kind of like a pecan pie. It's a custard pie where you're going to mix it in a bowl, pour it into a raw crust and you're going to pop it in the oven, it's going to cook on its own. And it, it forms this crust over the top that is just delicious. When you cut into it, it doesn't taste anything like a buttermilk pie. So people will say, Oh, buttermilk, buttermilk pie.
13:53That just sounds weird. And so I have, also when I go to the farmer's markets weekly, I have samples and people will taste that and they're like, oh my goodness, that's really good. I never would have thought that's what buttermilk pie would taste like. Okay, well, I'm a Yankee, so I don't know about buttermilk pie, but is it like a custard consistency? Yeah, it's definitely a custard pie. Okay. And so like I said, you mix it up in a bowl and you pour it into your...
14:20your pie crust and it forms the crust of the top and you cut into it and it's definitely a custard. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. It's anything like buttermilk. So you'll have to try it sometime. I'll have to look up a recipe and see if I can get my husband to make it because he's the one that makes pies around here. He's the best thing I ever chose. He gardens, he bakes, he's amazing.
14:47I am a sucker for lemon. I love lemon everything. And I also love cheesecake. So that lemon cake, lemon pie sounds amazing. It is. It is so good. Not just from my word, but people that taste test, they love it. So it's an amazing pie. Yeah. I tried making lemon bars a couple of years ago and lemon curd is not the most easy thing on earth to make for me.
15:17And I made it and it turned out okay. And my husband and my son tried the lemon bars and my husband was like, these are okay. He said, I think we need to work on the technique on the lemon curd. And I was like, I think you're absolutely right. Really be careful when my lemon pie calls for. Not flour.
15:43My mind just went blank. Not flour, but what's the other thing that you use for thickening? Um, cornstarch. Yes. Thank you. My mind just went blank. I'm sorry. So you've got to really whip it while you're cooking it, or you're going to have the clumps, same thing with my chocolate pie, you know, you've got your cornstarch and you've got to really whip it and cook, you know, stir it the whole time that it's cooking, or you can, um, literally end up with clumps of, you know, the cornstarch or the flour or whatever in there. So there definitely is a technique. And.
16:12you've got to keep it going. With the lemon pie that we discussed, it has fresh zested lemon, fresh lemon zest, not only in the pie, but in the frosting itself. And it's just so good. And then I put a little lemon zest across the top of the pie as well. Well, yes, because it makes it pretty. Lemon zest is really pretty. Yes, it is. Yep, and presentation is half the battle, I hear. It really is. And that's, you know, from years ago, I used to cook with,
16:41like youth kids in our church, we would do like bake sells and I would tell them, presentation is everything. If you, you know, even if you go to the dollar store and buy a dollar plate and put it on, you know, it's in, it's cute. People are going to be more act by that than they are something that just doesn't look very pretty. So presentation is most definitely everything. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, maybe that's why my cookies don't sell so well. I'm, I'm really not, I'm not really selling my baked goods. I don't have enough hours in the day.
17:10to make enough things to sell, because I'm doing a podcast and I've got a couple other things in the works. But I tried taking photos of some peanut butter cookies that I made, and it was just an utter failure because I'm not a photographer. And if I ever find the time to actually start baking things and selling them, I'm gonna find a photography student at the high school and be like, if I trade you baked goods, will you take photos of my stuff for me?
17:41So, um, yeah, if you get a chance, go to my website and look at the pictures. It's a www dot Grammys pies.com Grammy with a Y and my pictures of the pies and my daughter-in-law, she's got a carissa grace photography and she did all those pie picture photos and they're really good. We noticed the same thing. We tried, um, taking pictures like with our phone and just trying to get good angles and it, you know, it just didn't. So we had to do the whole background, the whole, you know, white
18:11table cloth and setting it up and the display and the whole thing and they turned out really pretty. They look very appetizing, you know, when somebody goes on the site and it makes them want to click on it and like, ooh, I think I want that. Yeah. My podcast usually gets released Monday, Wednesday and Friday morning at 7 a.m. and I suspect that when this one gets released, everybody who listens first thing in the morning is going to be like, I'm having pie for lunch from somewhere. Yes.
18:40I'll tell you a funny story right quick. I was having some problems with my phone and so I had to call Verizon and I was talking to somebody from the Philippines yesterday and tell him, Hey, my business line is not working properly and my voicemail and he said, what kind of business do you have? And I told him it was pies. He looked it up right then and there and he was like saying, we don't have those kinds of pies over here. Oh my goodness. Those look so good. And wanted to, you know, what's your Facebook and I want to follow you and all these things. And so now I've got some followers from the Philippines. I said, Hey, be sure and share that with your friends.
19:09have them follow me and so he was very interested in what kind of pies and you know what they tasted like and so he was he loved it and then I had to work on my voicemail and he had to call and listen to it he was like that's a very catchy voicemail I love that because my phrase is my catchphrase is you don't have to be hungry to eat pie because you can be full from a meal and I don't care somebody pulls out a piece of pie and then you say I have a little bit more room you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and eat this piece of pie and so
19:38That's a catchphrase for a long time is you don't have to be hungry to eat pie. You do not. I, I, okay. I have a minor tiny story about a pie that I have made for years. I make an eggnog pie at Thanksgiving and Christmas, and it is the easiest thing ever. It is Cool Whip and the egg, the cream cheese, instant pudding mix and some rum extract.
20:07And basically you make the pudding mix with eggnog and you make it so it turns into like this really thick pudding. You put it in a graham cracker crust and then you put regular cool whip on top and then you sprinkle a little nutmeg on the top and it's an eggnog pie. It is the easiest, fakest, most terrible thing for you ever. My father-in-law loved it the first time I made it and he asked every year for Christmas
20:36if I would make it. And so I'd whip two together and we'd eat, we'd have one after the Christmas dinner and then I'd have one from put in the freezer because you can freeze it. And I think three or four years ago he didn't ask and I said, um, did you want eggnog pie? And he said I want it and he said but I can't have it anymore. My doctor told me I can't eat that kind of sweets anymore. So I made him one anyway and he stuck it in his freezer. So there's always room for pie.
21:05That's right. There's always room for pie. And that's the thing that I've run into as well with people being diabetic or whatever is finding a sugar derivative. That's not Linda and not asked to tame and all that. And so what I've had people say about when they've taste tested my sugar free prices, that's sugar free. They can't tell there's not a funky playing. You know, that's what they say. There's not a funky playing to it. And so the you know what I'm using is really.
21:34good for diabetics and people watching this sugar but yet it doesn't taste like a diet pie, you know? Yup. I can't drink diet soda because it has that weird taste to it. I can't get past it. Me neither. So I'm like, if I'm going to drink soda, it's going to have real sugar in it. Yeah. Absolutely. So. Okay. So your six-year-old granddaughter.
22:03How much of a hand does she have in your kitchen? Is she at the point where she could make her own batch of cookies or pies or whatever? She's not at the point where she can make her own pie yet, but she knows I've taught her how to measure eye level and how to whip. And so she's definitely a hand. She can get in there and help, but she's not at the point yet where she can just whip up her own pie. But.
22:31I'm guessing that it's really fun for her. Yeah, and she loves it. And when they come over and we're not recording, they always want to get in there. They've got their aprons and they come over and grab their aprons and they want to jump in. And their favorite thing actually to make is like pancakes and waffles. And we did that for years before we even started the pies. They would come over and, let's make pancakes, let's make waffles. And so we would do these little cooking videos and I'd say, what do you want to make? And again, it would be waffles or again, pancakes.
23:01That was just kind of their favorite thing to do, but they love to get in there and cook. I love that you're making such wonderful memories with them. And kids are really honest. If it doesn't turn out great, they're going to tell you. That has happened. You know, kids aren't typically fond of like lemon or tart things. So we've done some things where they've tasted it and they're like, uh-uh, I don't like that. You know.
23:29Yeah, the buttermilk well funny enough my my granddaughter the one that's about to be sick She she says her favorite pie is the buttermilk and the chocolate. Those are her two favorite I was shocked by really the buttermilk is really sweet I think you'd be surprised if you tasted it and then I've also had other guests like I've had my mom on the cooking show I've had my sister My daughter my daughter-in-law even my son got in because his favorite pie is Apple So we got in and they were all you know, they've all been on my my cooking show and it's just been fun
23:57My husband's on there. It's nice to have built in guests. It is, it is. And I'm going to venture out. I've got a couple of friends that are coming to visit and they want to be on one. And so it'll be fun. So the one pie I didn't hear you mention is strawberry pie. And I thought strawberry pies were a very Southern pie. That's on the upcoming list. Strawberry. My daughter, my granddaughter has already said she's been begging for something banana. So I've got a banana, banana, nana.
24:27pudding coming I mean, I'm sorry, pie coming and Let's see one more cherry and key lime. Those are all on the upcoming list Okay. Um, are you gonna try doing a strawberry rhubarb as well? I'm gonna do a variation of strawberry. Yeah, it's gonna be a strawberry cream pie Okay
24:51The reason I asked about the strawberry rhubarb is because our rhubarb is now coming up. It's May in Minnesota, so it's rhubarb season. My husband is just an expert at making pie crust, and I am more than happy to let him make the crust. Then, we'll probably pick up a quarter to a strawberry, and we're going to whip together a strawberry rhubarb pie next weekend. I have been dreaming. This is my thing. Every May, I'm like, can we please make a strawberry rhubarb pie now?
25:21leaves. And he's busy. He's in the middle. Well, he's in the, I don't know what the word is, the end stages of getting a heated greenhouse built. And so his weekends have been very full with working on that. But my son mentioned that the rhubarb is ready to be cut. And I said, hmm, strawberry rhubarb pie sounds good. And he was like, yeah, we're going to have to talk dad into making the pie crust. I said, it takes him like
25:49minutes to make the pie crust. I can put the pie together once it's made. So that's in that's in our upcoming plans here. Sounds yummy. Mm-hmm. I love strawberries. We have a few requests for blackberry pie as well. I haven't done that one yet but I have you know blueberry and strawberry upcoming. Yeah I don't know do you guys have black raspberries in Texas?
26:18I don't think so. We have blackberries that grow even wild. Black raspberries. Okay, well, we have black raspberries growing wild in our tree line. Really? And we made a black raspberry pie the first summer we were here, which was four summers ago now. And oh my goodness, black raspberry pie is the yummiest thing I've ever tasted. Wow. It's like a darker tasting
26:47Raspberry pie. It's like a cross between a blackberry and raspberry mixed together. That sounds delicious. Yeah, it's really good. Yep, it's a thing up here in Minnesota. I hadn't really heard about it either until I moved here. But yeah, there's all kinds of things in every state that no one knows about until they live there. Absolutely.
27:17Like when I was growing up in Maine, we had wild blueberries growing everywhere on my parents' property. So we ate a lot of blueberry jam and a lot of blueberry cake and a lot of blueberry pies. Oh, yummy. Blueberries are so good for you too. Yes, antioxidants all over the place. All over. That's right. Yup. I can't eat blueberries raw. I can't handle the pop when you bite into them. Okay. It just grosses me out for some reason.
27:46But I love blueberry pie. I love blueberry jam. Blueberry cake, not so much, but the other two I'm all good with. Well, I'm really excited that you are raising your granddaughters and I assume if a grandson comes along, he'll be in the kitchen with you too. I bet he would. I'm really excited that you are teaching the girls so far how to cook and how to have fun in the kitchen.
28:15Yes, thank you. I think it's important and you know, it seems like cooking itself seems like a lost art anymore. I think that maybe some of the younger generation is getting back into it, but there's a whole generation that just didn't, you know, they did a lot of eating out and still, and there's just been a kind of a lost art of cooking and baking. And so it's important to get them in there and teach them and, and show them that it's fun and you know, get them to love being in the kitchen.
28:45Yes, and as I have said with every episode that I've done with anyone who's cooking or baking, there is a focus and a zen about cooking from scratch. And there's so little time for anyone to focus on one task at one time anymore that I'm grateful when I have the chance to get in the kitchen and really focus and be creative because it's the only.
29:12I'm thinking about at that point in time. Yes, absolutely. You're able to put your own twist on a recipe or you know think about what you're doing and I always like to take no matter what I'm making. I always think about how could I make this better if I'm making you know dinner or a dessert or whatever and think about what can I do to make this better and sometimes that's great and sometimes it's like oh maybe I'll go back to the the original recipe, but you don't know if you don't try and
29:42and see how things go. Yeah. Are you like me when you find a new recipe, do you make it the way it says to make it the first time? Try it and then be like, oh, I need to change this and I need to take that out. I need to fix this. Absolutely. I've even done that with if I find a pie recipe or any kind of recipe, like just for dinner, I'll look at that and sometimes I either try the real recipe or I'll look at it and I'm like, that would be better.
30:09with the seasoning or with cheese on top or you know, whatever. And so either I'll make it the original way or I'll just change it to start with. Cause I'll think that would be better with this and it's added or, you know, or I don't like this ingredient. So I'm going to remove that before I even try it or whatever. So, yeah, my, my rule is that I make the recipe the way it says to the first time. And I am such a stickler for it that even when I read the recipe and I, and I know it's not right, I still make it the way it says to the first time.
30:40and knowing that it's gonna fall, it's gonna be a failure. And then I'm like, yeah, that recipe's wrong. This is what they should have done. And then I do it again and it turns out great. Seeing, I guess I'm just the opposite because I look at it and I know I'm not wasting my time on either a technique or something like that. I've tried that, done that, that, you know, so I'm gonna do it the way that I either know how or I think it's gonna work better just to save time. I don't know, one of my mottos is work smart, not hard. And so if I don't have to do something twice,
31:10I'm not going to do it twice. Well, luckily, luckily, luckily, most of the recipes that I find, I read the comments before I actually decide to do it. And if the comments say, no, this doesn't work, then I just don't do the recipe. Yeah, I do the same. I'll read comments and it'll say, this was good, but I took this so much longer. I added this and so I'm like, that's when I'll start getting ideas. I'm like, okay, that sounds like a better idea. And I absolutely agree with you on that.
31:40But when I was younger, I didn't realize that I could read the comments and save myself the time by reading other people's discoveries about the recipe. So that was when I was really a stickler for doing it the way the recipe said the first time. But I finally learned that, oh, people comment on recipes online and I can find out all the mistakes and all the things first. Or even just a trick. Like, you know, this recipe may be showing you how to do whatever. And then somebody on the comments would be like,
32:10hey, this is a tip, it's a shortcut, and it does it. It's the same outcome, but yet it'll give you a tip or a trick to save time or whatever. I've seen those too. They're always helpful. Yep, and when my kids ask me for a recipe that I have, I will send it to them and I say read through the recipe before you even consider making it. Because sometimes,
32:36There are steps in the recipe that don't come later and you should have known about them to begin with. And I tell them if they're gonna do anything that I send them to read the recipe through all the way and then make sure they have all the ingredients on hand and then measure out the ingredients first because it just makes it easier. Absolutely, I've made that mistake before. There's been recipes that are written funny to where some of your directions are down below something, I don't know, it just,
33:06They were out of order and you're like, oops, I wasn't supposed to mix that with that. That was supposed to be a topper or you know, whatever. And I've, I've definitely done that myself. And so I agree making sure that you've got all your ingredients, making sure that you're going to want to do all of the steps or like you said, even just reading through the thing to make sure that it's all in order, because if you don't do the, you know, do the things that's in order, you may end up mixing something with something that didn't go. And so it's important to read through it for sure.
33:35Yes, because cooking is chemistry. It is. And if you mix two things and the reaction happens before it's supposed to, the following reactions don't work the same. Yeah, absolutely. It's science. It's either going to fall or it's not going to cream up or yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's science, but it's really fun, yummy science. That's right. All right, Shavonica, thank you so much for your time today talking with me. I appreciate it.
34:03asking me to be on your show. I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. I love talking to you guys. I learned things I didn't know. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Have a great day. You too. Bye. Bye-bye.
 

Sourdough Farm, Inc. Miniature Animal Retreat

Today I'm talking with Karen at Sourdough Farm, Inc. Miniature Animal Retreat.
00:00This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Karen at Sourdough Farm. How are you today, Karen? Hey, I'm great. Thank you. Tell me the name of your business. I don't have it right in front of me. Sourdough Farm, Inc., miniature something.
00:28Miniature animal retreat. Thank you. I Tried to memorize it in my brain went. Nope not doing it this morning So what do you guys do at the sourdough farm ink miniature something retreat? Well, basically we are raising a variety of miniature animals and We are in the planning stages of opening up our farm to special guests with special needs
00:57And it's a lot of work. I'm sure it is. I wasn't sure whether you were rescuing animals and giving them a retreat, or if you were having a retreat for people to come get good feelings from the animals. Well, that's a very good point, because actually it is working both ways. We rescue and help to rehome animals. Plus, we breed animals so that if folks
01:27mini pig themselves or if they want to have a goat that's been handled and could be used as an emotional companion. We provide the opportunity to give homes to the animals but also a safe haven of peace and joy for folks that just need to get away and need to have good listeners.
01:56Animals are great listeners. They are, and they don't talk back. They just love back. They do. So what kind of animals do you have? Well, right now we have fallabella, miniature horses. We have donkeys. We have miniature cows. We have miniature goats, Nigerian miniature goats. We have lots of pigs.
02:26Just this week we have a new litter of Flemish giant rabbits. Nice. How big is a baby Flemish giant rabbit? Because we raised rabbits for a year and they were very small in the one litter that we got out of the rabbits. How big is a Flemish giant baby? Well, the babies look like little itty bitty puppies. I mean, they're just so tiny at birth.
02:53They hardly look like rabbits, but our older rabbits, the mother and the father, they're good size. They're about the size of maybe a small dog. So they're pretty heavy. You can carry them, but you mostly want to sit down when you hold them. We try to handle our animals on a regular basis. My husband, Steve, and I, we take almost our entire day of spending time with each and every animal.
03:21just petting and loving on and getting them used to being handled. And so that's what we do a lot of our day is just giving our animals love so that they will know how to give love back to any people that might come visit. What a lovely way to spend your days. Yes. I really love it. I love every minute of it. So how did this happen? How did this come about?
03:51We've always loved animals. Both my husband and I have always had animals growing up, but we lived in the city. So when my husband retired, we looked for some farmland and this area right outside Savannah just kind of came into our radar. And the minute we saw it, we knew this was gonna be ours. And so after our first year of being here, we thought, you know, we need to figure out a way of giving back to the community.
04:20We felt so blessed and so lucky to be here. So we were throwing around ideas of how we could help the people that need us most. And I'm talking about maybe people that suffer from depression, people that are just lonely. Our very special folks are our military veterans or folks with disabilities because we are by no means therapists.
04:48just coming and sitting in the shade and listening to the pond and the fountain and the animals talk is just so soothing. So we just wanted to share that. Okay. So Savannah, Georgia, right? Yes. Okay. And I feel like nature's sound is music. And anyone who saw the news this morning saw that Taylor Swift dropped her new...
05:17album last night. And I am sort of a Taylor Swift fan, but not like a Swiftie. And there was a news article on the news this morning about how music actually impacts your brain and that it is the most powerful thing to use all of your brain all at once. And so when people are listening to the water,
05:43and the birds and your animals talking and whatever they're hearing outside. That is another form of music. So I understand that it really does work for people. And actually, I've done some research on music therapy for my animals. We recently had a miniature horse that had to have surgery and she had a long recovery period in the barn. So we were thinking, I wonder if music could help calm her down.
06:11and help her not get depressed and make her heal faster. And so we do play music every day for our animals. And over time, I've kind of discovered that the most soothing music, at least for my animals, is the happy country music. And so we play that for them. And just soothing kind of music or happy kind of music just keeps them uplifted and feeling good.
06:40as much as it would for people. Yeah, I have never walked into a barn where people actually have their animals that hasn't had a radio station on. Yes. So music is healing and sound is healing if it's the right kind of sound. Right. Exactly. We took a lot of effort in building our barn or I should I say rebuilding our barn.
07:09to add just some extra kind of things that would seem a little over the top for a barn. But we added some things that would help our animals be soothed, but also the people that come in the barn. Now I say rebuilt because we had a barn fire two years ago and we lost our barn and several of our animals. And so we rebuilt our barn, it's just now.
07:37ready for visitors. But we built it all metal and we built it with safety in mind. We have exterior doors on both sides of the barn and both ends of the barn with the center aisle that have doors so that the animals could be let out in case of an emergency very quickly. And we have internet access so we can get the music that we want.
08:04cameras and fire extinguishers and fire blankets, fire alarms. We've done kind of more things than maybe the average person would put in their barn, given our... You back?
08:23Okay, I lost you there for a minute. Okay, so you were saying that you have rebuilt the barn and you told me how, so keep going from there. Well, I'm not sure where you lost me, but we put elements in our barn to help protect us from future fire. That's where you were, yes. And we made sure that we had fire extinguishers and smoke alarms that are...
08:50wired. They're not battery operated, so we know that they always should work. And we also have fire blankets and first aid kits for a barn, tool kits for a barn. We've thought of everything, including having enough doors and access to getting out if there should be some sort of emergency. Okay. So your animals are well protected and anyone who's in the barn who's human is well protected as well. That's right. Good.
09:21Good plan, ma'am. Good job. I'm sure that the fire probably scared you to death and you were like, how do we make sure that everybody's okay if it happens again? Well, God forbid, but I'm thinking also about other people that think it'll never be them. Yeah. And we never thought it would happen in a million years. And it was all gone in about 15 minutes. And so,
09:48And we lost our beloved animals too. So it was, we still struggle with it. And, you know, I did safety for a living. I was an OSHA trainer and consultant and I could just kick myself because I'm thinking what could I have done different? But we did buy this place pre-built. So we had what we had, but I should have gone a step further and, and made other kinds of protections.
10:18for our animals, I just didn't know. Yep, and you can't know what you don't know until you find it out. So you discovered that a fire is a bad thing and now you're doing everything you can to make sure that everything survives a fire if it happens again. That's right. Good job. So are you guys a nonprofit? We're not nonprofit simply because when we started it, we really didn't know for sure what all we were gonna do.
10:47I am also an ordained minister in Georgia, so we may open our farm for wedding venues. And we just, we don't have a clear plan yet as to how we want to proceed, because I'm just saying that there's so much need out there, even if it's for hurricane, you know, when we have hurricanes here, a lot of the folks with animals closer to the coast need to move them inward to keep them safe. So you know.
11:17even providing safety for some animals that need to be moved away from the coast if there's a hurricane. But there's just so many directions we could go into that could help other people. And so we're not in stone yet. And we do plan on having some sort of opening the end of summer or the beginning of fall. Nice.
11:46Well, you have all kinds of potential going on there. I don't know if I would be able to make a choice yet either. Well, we have lots to do here. If a veteran wants to come out and go fishing, we have a fully stocked pond. We have 20 acres of trails and woods. All the animals have places where you can sit down and just watch them or play with them. And we have a fire pit.
12:16And it's just really, really beautiful where we're at. I have to pinch myself every day.
12:24I bet you do. So do you feel like you never have to go on vacation again because where you live is where you love? Exactly. I never want to leave here. In fact, I rarely leave here. A lot of my followers don't know because I'm a good faker that I'm also sight impaired. So my heaven is right here where I'm at and I don't need to feel anything better than what I'm feeling.
12:53I just want to share that. That is the most wonderful thing ever. And I do understand because when we moved to the place we live at now, it felt like we had moved into an Airbnb except that we actually got to stay forever. And I still adore it. Every morning I wake up and I'm like, oh, we still live here. This is fantastic. Okay. Exactly. It's awesome. Yeah, it really is.
13:23And I hope that everyone in the world gets the opportunity to feel that. And I know that's not probably the case, but I wish that for everybody. So when you say that you breed animals, do you breed all of your animals or just certain breeds? We just breed certain animals. Some of our animals we have taken in because they have...
13:51some type of disability, they're challenged in some way. And of course, we wouldn't want to breed those animals just for their own comfort and safety. But we have other specific animals that were purchased for breeding. We just purchased a little stallion, a miniature stallion that we're gonna be using for our many girls. And we do breed our goats. We have some special goats that we like to breed
14:21tiny and very good for therapy animals. We love our pigs. In fact, our miniature pigs, we have raised a couple in our house. And so they're now outside, they got too big, but we have some pigs that we breed. So we're not breeding to actually make money. We're breeding so that we have animals to share with any of our neighbors or anyone in the community that wants emotional
14:50support animal and we like I said we handle them all every day so that they would be a perfect fit for someone that needs that furry best friend. That's fabulous and you always have babies around and babies are lovely. Oh yes. I love baby animals so much. Well I have five children myself and when the fifth one um went off uh you know left the nest
15:17I didn't take it very well. So I have a tendency to want to mother everybody and everything. And it's just kind of fun. I just love it. It keeps me young. And by sharing that, I think it helps keep other people young as well. Yeah, absolutely. Animals bring that childlike joy to the surface. And I don't care if you're, I don't know, five and you are a child or if you're 90.
15:47It just animals make that bubble come up of, oh, it's a baby or oh, it's a, it's a critter I can pet and hang out with. You just fall in love. Yeah. And it's unavoidable. I'm going to talk about my dog again, cause she's the animal I love the most. I should not do this, but I'm going to anyway. I have a mini Australian shepherd dog named Maggie and she is my fifth kid.
16:16I love her to pieces and had no idea when we got her that she would take over my heart. My parents had dogs when I was growing up and they were fine. I loved them, but I wasn't in love with them. I have been in love with this puppy since I saw a picture of her when she was two weeks old. Oh my goodness. So yeah, animals just steal your heart and they don't give it back.
16:45That's right. And you have many, so your heart is walking all over the place in lots of bodies. I have to tell you, I love every single one of them. And that's the hard part about breeding, because I fall in love with them, and then I don't want to let them go. But that's just part of it. And we have them die sometimes. Animals die, and we have a little cemetery here on the property. And that always breaks my heart as well. But.
17:15That's just the cycle of life and living and death. You know, it happens on the farm, but it's never easy.
17:25Yeah, I read that if you have livestock, you will eventually have dead stock. And I went, oh, yes, that is absolutely true. Yes, it is, unfortunately. Yeah. And I think I should get it printed and put it in a frame to remind myself every day, because we have barn cats and we have chickens and we have the dog. And I think to myself most days.
17:51This is a wonderful life and then a chicken dies or a barn cat gets hit by a car or my dog will eventually die and that will not be a happy day. No. So I need to remember that just because it's lovely now doesn't mean that every day is going to be lovely. Yes, but all dogs go to heaven. Thank goodness. Yes. Okay. So, you sort of told me what the potential plans are for your place.
18:20Why is it called Sourdough Farm? That's a really good question. Both my husband and I love sourdough bread. And I don't really know why it hit me, but when we got the farm, I said, it's sourdough. We're Sourdough Farm. It just came into my head, and consequently, I am learning how to make sourdough bread. How's it going? Well, I'm still working on the starter part.
18:47But it's just a little project I want to do and I want to make some little mini loaves of sourdough bread to give out to our visitors with maybe our little sticker on it with our name or our logo or whatever. But yeah, we just love sourdough bread. I can't help it. And everybody asked me that question. So I think it's a little different. People will remember it. Uh huh.
19:14Yes, because I thought you made sourdough when I first saw your Facebook page and I was like, oh no, they don't make sourdough. They have a retreat with many animals. Okay. So, have you named your starter? Because I hear if you name your sourdough starter, you are better about taking care of it because it becomes a living thing. No, I'm not there yet. I just... Give it a name. I'm looking at my brand new bread mixer. I'm just looking at the mixer.
19:40at this point and haven't started anything yet. But I'm looking forward to it. Okay. We debated making sourdough starter here and I did the research and I was like, we're never going to use it fast enough. We don't make bread often enough that it makes sense to have a starter. Yep.
20:02And so my husband was like, I saw this thing on YouTube about sourdough bread and you have to make a starter and you need to name it and take care of it. And I said, honey, I said, we got enough stuff to take care of and we would have to make bread every other day. We have, we are three people in one house. And he said, well, we could sell it at the farmer's market. And I said, there's a lady that we like very much at the farmer's market who always her husband already has the market cornered on sourdough bread for the area. I said, I don't want to.
20:32be in competition with them. He was like, Oh, I forgot. And I said, Yeah, don't do that. It's just so good. So we're not we're not doing sourdough bread. He makes some he makes yeast bread, like, I would say three times a year. And it's usually the first really cold day in the fall. And then for Thanksgiving, and then for Christmas, that's about the only time that he makes bread and I don't make bread, I kill the yeast. I suspect if I made sourdough starter
21:01The yeast is already going, I wouldn't kill it. It's already there. It's a lot of work from what I'm told, so I don't know. Yep. We'll see. I'm going to let other people play with sourdough because they seem to really enjoy it. I don't want to do it. It's not my thing. OK, so do you have babies coming now? It's springtime. Well, we, of course, just had our litter of the bunnies, which were.
21:31just so excited about. We plan on breeding our goats shortly, like within the next couple weeks and we are working on breeding one of our horses. It's all new to us, so I'm having to get some expert help, especially with the horses because I've never done that myself and the stallion has never done it either. So it's like the blind leading the blind.
22:00literally. Yeah. But so we we usually have babies all the time and people like to come over and see our babies. But after the fire and rebuilding the barn, we had to take a deep breath and kind of put things on hold a little bit. Yeah. But we are just so excited to get started again. And there is just so much I want to share with other people.
22:27not just the animals, but also a message of joy and hope. That man, we've had so much adversity. I could just help somebody hold on and pick up a little something that they could do, a little project or something, even if it's just coming out to visit the farm once a week or something. It just can't, it just uplifts you.
22:57And I really hope I can do that for people in the future. Yeah. So how are you letting people know that you're there for the reason you're there? Well, I have put a couple just a little messages on the community Facebook page so that they could read that, hey, this is in the makings. And also, I have a good local community following on my farm page, which is just.
23:27Sourdough Farm, but you can just find it just by putting Sourdough Farm in, Miniature Animal Retreat, and we're word of mouth mostly, but we plan on really cranking it up when we get ready to open. I'm gonna, we're gonna do a barn dance and invite whoever wants to come or whoever sees it, it's open, where we'll have a band and food trucks and
23:54just make it just fun, just an old fashioned barn dance. And so we're gonna, we plan on doing that. And, but mostly it's just been word of mouth. People pretty much know this area that have lived in this area for a long time. And they know we're here. Nice. I don't know if you've already thought of this, but I'm gonna throw it out there.
24:18I think that your place would be really good for survivors of domestic violence and especially their children. Have you thought about that at all? Not specifically, but you are so right. You are so right. And I'm not sure how to get that out there. I do know that I want our visits to be by appointment and private.
24:47so that people can come and have our farm to themselves for several hours. My husband and I want to cook for them as well, cook for whoever comes out and provide a nice lunch. But because people that have been hurt really bad, they don't really wanna come out in the public. Even if nobody knows, when you have something bad happen to yourself, you kind of recluse just a little bit. And so...
25:14Maybe I would just need to make some connections with some of the safe houses or, you know, maybe let them have an alternate way of contacting me where it's totally confidential. Yeah. The other places you could contact is your local police department because they can put you in contact with the organizations that help people. And even your fire department might have some contacts for you. I don't know.
25:44Very good idea. I appreciate that one. Yeah, a friend of mine came and stayed with me for a week or two, many years ago with her kids, because the situation at home was not great. And she was a friend. I already knew her. So it was very easy to open our home to her and her kids. And she had been staying at a shelter. And she said that the hardest part was that the kids really had nothing to distract
26:13them from their fear and it was a new place and new people and new foods and everything. And me being able to take her in for that week or two really helped because the kids had already been to our home, they knew me, they knew my husband, they knew my kids. So in your case, you're a new place, but you have soft squishy animal faces to kiss on and touch and pet and love.
26:43Exactly. I think that's a perfect idea. Yeah. And it affects so many, so many women. And men. And men. That's true. That's why I said survivors, not women. Because men get hurt too. And I understand that it's a, I think it's a lesser percentage of men who get hurt in domestic violence situations, but they do. So I want to, I want to shout out the boys. Sometimes they get hurt too.
27:11and they need help too. Yes, I definitely agree with that. I'm a mom of three boys, so boys are close to my heart. I have a daughter too, but she's pretty independent and she's pretty tough, so. Yep, yep. Well, I'm gonna look into that because that's a really important idea. Yeah, and another idea is you have been through a fire that was devastating and hurtful to you.
27:41Maybe people who have been through a fire and are afraid maybe they could come visit and you could tell them your experience and that there is light at the end of the tunnel. A few of the firefighters that came to us that that early morning are actually followers on my page and I just love them because well I don't remember much they remember me and the babies.
28:07You know, we literally just had to listen to them cry until they stopped crying. Because there was no way we could get into the barn. It was just, it was just totally gone in minutes. But they were so caring, the firefighters. And if, I can't remember, there may have been some police here too, just because it was such a huge fire. I mean, the barn is bigger than our house. It's gigantic. It's. Yeah.
28:35gigantic. And anyway, but I also want to mention I have a big place in my heart for military veterans. My father was a veteran and my husband's brother and father and I have a son that's in the Air Force. And I'm just constantly worried about our world right now. And I want
29:03the military veterans and just those that are in active duty know that they're appreciated and Invite them to come to the farm and Just turn off their brain for a minute and see some good and know that they're supported Yeah, absolutely. I love your heart. You have the biggest heart Thank you To a fault sometimes
29:31Yeah, I don't know if it can be. I think when you have a big heart, it just benefits everybody. I really do. Okay, so Karen, it's been almost half an hour and I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me and I hope that everything you wish for at your place comes true. Thank you so much. God bless you. Thanks. Have a great day. Bye. Bye.